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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5075 on: August 04, 2016, 07:41:55 PM »
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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5076 on: August 04, 2016, 09:41:02 PM »
Why do presidential nominees need security briefings again? I never got that, especially in this case with someone like Trump running. What happens to the presidential nominee that gets the security briefings and doesn't win the presidency? Gets shot? "well he knows now, we gonna have to waste him", that would actually make the elections even more challenging, you gotta win or you gonna die!!
The first question in my post is serious one though, I just kept babbling to humor myself heh
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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5077 on: August 05, 2016, 05:54:57 AM »
Why do presidential nominees need security briefings again? I never got that, especially in this case with someone like Trump running. What happens to the presidential nominee that gets the security briefings and doesn't win the presidency? Gets shot? "well he knows now, we gonna have to waste him", that would actually make the elections even more challenging, you gotta win or you gonna die!!
The first question in my post is serious one though, I just kept babbling to humor myself heh


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-do-presidential-nominees-receive-classified-briefings/

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As is customary for the official party nominees, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will be given the option to receive top-secret national security briefings as early as the next few days.

"There's a long tradition that the intelligence community at the appropriate time--and now is the appropriate time since both candidates have been officially anointed--that both camps will be reached out to and offered briefings," said Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who oversees and conducts the briefings, at the Aspen Security Forum last week.

The practice dates back to the tenure of the 33rd president, Harry S. Truman. On April 24, 1945, just 12 days into his presidency, Truman learned that the U.S. was cultivating an explosive that potentially could destroy the world.

Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and army general Leslie Groves fully briefed Truman on the Manhattan Project, explaining that Russia was on its way to developing atomic weapons within four years. They examined whether or not they should make their allies privy to the information and how the weapon could affect U.S. foreign-policy. Truman permitted the U.S. to continue the project and vowed not to leave any future commander-in-chief in the dark going forward.

In the summer of 1952, Truman decided that the candidates in that year's election should be presented with the option of receiving intelligence briefings, remarking at the time, "There were so many things I did not know when I became President."

General Dwight Eisenhower, the Republican, and Illinois Governor Adlai Stevenson, the Democrat, became the first party nominees to receive intelligence briefings in accordance with Truman's instruction.

Since that time, classified briefings have been offered to every party nominee. The CIA gave the briefings until the 2004 election, when the Director of National Intelligence took over.

This election cycle's briefings have been thrust into the spotlight as both the Trump and Clinton camps have suggested the other candidate is unfit or unprepared to handle classified information and should not receive the briefings

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5078 on: August 05, 2016, 07:33:20 AM »
... I was watching on low volume while on the toilet at work.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5079 on: August 05, 2016, 07:36:03 AM »

The fact that this is believable:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/joe-scarborough-says-donald-trump-asked-three-171548781.html

I think we've talked about this already.  If it scares you, it's because you've already made your mind up about Trump prior to this.  There are a 100 explanations for this, 99 of which are potentially positive - or at least neutral - and one of which looks bad for Trump.  You've picked the one. 

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5080 on: August 05, 2016, 07:57:00 AM »
Well, for one thing, that's hearsay.  I am not scared of Trump having access to nukes because of something someone else said that he said.

I am scared of Trump having access to nukes because of the behavior and things he has actually said that I have seen footage of.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5081 on: August 05, 2016, 10:48:07 AM »

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5082 on: August 05, 2016, 10:56:35 AM »
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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5083 on: August 05, 2016, 01:01:13 PM »
I am scared of Trump having access to nukes because of the behavior and things he has actually said that I have seen footage of.

Thats exactly my point. The fact that the behavior we have seen makes it possible to believe he said it is scary. Even if it is hearsay, the fact that I can imagine a presidential nominee asking that question is not right.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5084 on: August 05, 2016, 01:12:24 PM »
From Michael J. Morrell, formerly of the CIA:

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During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush’s side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.

I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. In my 40 years of voting, I have pulled the lever for candidates of both parties. As a government official, I have always been silent about my preference for president.

No longer. On Nov. 8, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Between now and then, I will do everything I can to ensure that she is elected as our 45th president.

Two strongly held beliefs have brought me to this decision. First, Mrs. Clinton is highly qualified to be commander in chief. I trust she will deliver on the most important duty of a president — keeping our nation safe. Second, Donald J. Trump is not only unqualified for the job, but he may well pose a threat to our national security.

I spent four years working with Mrs. Clinton when she was secretary of state, most often in the White House Situation Room. In these critically important meetings, I found her to be prepared, detail-oriented, thoughtful, inquisitive and willing to change her mind if presented with a compelling argument.

I also saw the secretary’s commitment to our nation’s security; her belief that America is an exceptional nation that must lead in the world for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding that diplomacy can be effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use force if necessary; and, most important, her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all — whether to put young American women and men in harm’s way.

Mrs. Clinton was an early advocate of the raid that brought Bin Laden to justice, in opposition to some of her most important colleagues on the National Security Council. During the early debates about how we should respond to the Syrian civil war, she was a strong proponent of a more aggressive approach, one that might have prevented the Islamic State from gaining a foothold in Syria.

I never saw her bring politics into the Situation Room. In fact, I saw the opposite. When some wanted to delay the Bin Laden raid by one day because the White House Correspondents Dinner might be disrupted, she said, “Screw the White House Correspondents Dinner.”

In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.

These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.

The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump’s character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.

Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.

In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.

Mr. Trump has also undermined security with his call for barring Muslims from entering the country. This position, which so clearly contradicts the foundational values of our nation, plays into the hands of the jihadist narrative that our fight against terrorism is a war between religions.

In fact, many Muslim Americans play critical roles in protecting our country, including the man, whom I cannot identify, who ran the C.I.A.’s Counterterrorism Center for nearly a decade and who I believe is most responsible for keeping America safe since the Sept. 11 attacks.

My training as an intelligence officer taught me to call it as I see it. This is what I did for the C.I.A. This is what I am doing now. Our nation will be much safer with Hillary Clinton as president.


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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5085 on: August 08, 2016, 04:21:31 PM »
Don't worry, everyone. Curt Schilling says he's going to run for president once Hillary's term is up.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5086 on: August 08, 2016, 08:06:23 PM »
Oh, Christ, please no.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5087 on: August 09, 2016, 05:22:27 AM »
 :lol

The story about the sock incident will be all over the news. :lol I can just picture the commercials the DNC will put out against him.

Do you want your president with access to fake blood? Neither do we. Vote smart. Vote Al Franken.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5088 on: August 09, 2016, 06:31:50 AM »
Putting Curt Schilling in there would be nearly as bad as putting John Rocker in.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Race
« Reply #5089 on: August 09, 2016, 08:28:17 AM »
This thread is getting huge. I will start a new one lest our web provider starts crying about database fragmentation.

EDIT: New thread here https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48102.0