The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls

[pg1067]

Thought of a prompt to ask you guys: what is your favorite instance of a difference between a studio version and a live version of a song in which the live version fares better (in your opinion)? General arrangement changes for when they play a given song live or specific released tracks, you name it.

Revelations from Live After Death >> the POM version.

[Stadler]

I don't know if it's strictly an arrangement thing or anything like that, but "Blood Brothers" is ALWAYS better live.  The version we saw in NJ at the end of the Book Of Souls tour was one of my Maiden highlights, and I'm not sure from a studio perspective the song is even  in my top 25 (I ranked it 17 in Kev's countdown, but that's because of the live version).

[wolfking]

I don't know if it's strictly an arrangement thing or anything like that, but "Blood Brothers" is ALWAYS better live.  The version we saw in NJ at the end of the Book Of Souls tour was one of my Maiden highlights, and I'm not sure from a studio perspective the song is even  in my top 25 (I ranked it 17 in Kev's countdown, but that's because of the live version).

Agree.  I was blown away by it on the sane tour.  Gave me a new found appreciation of the song.

[pg1067]

It's in the game.

[Stadler]

Goddamnit.  Now Bruce is going to blow out a knee and miss the entire season.   

[TAC]

And he's no longer flying the plane, that's for sure.

[porcacultor]

- About his neck – the dead bird is hung!
- You know, seagulls have a pretty good life, don't they? They always live at the beach. And everytime you see seagulls, you see a beach and water.

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I tried to parody the moment when Madden and Pat Summerall talk about the blue angels flying over the stadium as if they were talking about Bruce's Spitfire prop, but my comedic skills aren't that tight.

[wolfking]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

[MirrorMask]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Janick Gers joining the band in 1990 and hearing the stuff they were doing coming off Seventh Son, probably.

[wolfking]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Janick Gers joining the band in 1990 and hearing the stuff they were doing coming off Seventh Son, probably.

Lol wut?!

[MirrorMask]

I considered your reply (which I understood, it was about the last few WTF posts) as if it was a quote, and I imagined who could have said that 

[wolfking]

Iron Maiden Jepordy? 

[soupytwist]

Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

[Stadler]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Google "The Madden curse"; it's not really valid, but there was a sort of thing going around for a while that if you appeared on a Madden NFL game cover, you got a serious if not career-threatening injury or something else that sent your career into the shitter.   

[Stadler]

Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

I sort of figured from day one that it was a football reference, and later I learned it was (it's a nickname for 'Arry's favorite club, West Ham United; we here in the States would say "Go Patriots!"). But I can proudly and honestly say I've never said it to anyone else (I know some Maiden fans use it as a greeting). 

I've never been a fan of that, adopting bands' in-jokes.  For example, I NEVER refer to Alex, Geddy or Neil as "Lerxst", "Pratt" or "Dirk".  I think it's too familiar.  I'm not their friend, and I'm not in their inner circle. 

[pg1067]

Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

It's a thing that Maiden fans say to each other out of camaraderie.  If it has a more complex, deeper meaning, I don't know it, but I can only speak for myself.

[El Barto]

Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

It's a thing that Maiden fans say to each other out of camaraderie.  If it has a more complex, deeper meaning, I don't know it, but I can only speak for myself.

This. If I'm wearing a Maiden shirt and somebody comments on it (happens a lot, actually), they'll usually get the horns and an Up The Irons back from me. Sometimes they get it and sometimes they don't, but hopefully will going forward.

[pg1067]

I can't tell you how many times someone has said "nice shirt" to me, and I sort of mumble something incoherent because I've forgotten what shirt I'm wearing.   

[cramx3]

  I usually just say thanks because I also sometimes forget what I'm wearing.  But I usually try to take a look at their shirt to know if I can say "same to you!" which is often the case.

[Stadler]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well. 

[TAC]

I've worn Iron Maiden shirts my entire life and I don't think anyone has ever said "Up the Irons" to me.

[cramx3]

I've worn Iron Maiden shirts my entire life and I don't think anyone has ever said "Up the Irons" to me.

I'm not entirely sure I've ever heard this said aloud to me or in my vicinity, but I've seen it all over the internet and have written it plenty of times myself in regards to something IM related.

[jammindude]

I have absolutely said “Up the irons!” to guys in public wearing a maiden shirt. Sometimes I get some horns thrown my way other times they look confused because they forgot what shirt they left the house in.

And for those that don’t know where it came from, it used to be something in the liner Notes of nearly every single iron maiden album

[El Barto]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.

That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

[Grappler]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.

That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

I kind of agree.  I prefer having attended one of the shows on the back, but at the same time - if a band is getting rid of tour shirt stock and it's priced cheaper, I'm going to buy that shirt every time and save money. 

I didn't attend the Testament "Bay Area' tour with Exodus and Death Angel, though I desperately wanted to.   A regular Testament shirt is $30+.  Nuclear Blast was selling the tour shirts for $10.  I bought 2 tour shirts for less than the price of a one-sided album cover shirt. 

[cramx3]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.

That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.

[El Barto]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.

That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.

Well, I'm not gonna punch somebody in the nose because of it. Like you, I consider it a personal rule, but I do think of people who do this as wannabes, like you said.

[wolfking]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Google "The Madden curse"; it's not really valid, but there was a sort of thing going around for a while that if you appeared on a Madden NFL game cover, you got a serious if not career-threatening injury or something else that sent your career into the shitter.

Ah yes, thanks Bill.  Have seen similar types of things with some sports over here in totally different contexts though.

[Setlist Scotty]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.

That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.

Well, I'm not gonna punch somebody in the nose because of it. Like you, I consider it a personal rule, but I do think of people who do this as wannabes, like you said.

Nah - I think it's more appropriate to define wannabes as the idiots like the Kardashians and others who only wear certain band shirts because they think they look cool, hip or trendy but have zero (or almost zero) clue as to the band or their catalog.

[Stadler]

That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.

That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.

Well, I'm not gonna punch somebody in the nose because of it. Like you, I consider it a personal rule, but I do think of people who do this as wannabes, like you said.

Nah - I think it's more appropriate to define wannabes as the idiots like the Kardashians and others who only wear certain band shirts because they think they look cool, hip or trendy but have zero (or almost zero) clue as to the band or their catalog.

In "A Star Is Born", Lady Gaga answers the door to her house with a Yes Tormato t-shirt on.  And if I ever meet her, I swear that will be the question:  are you that big a fan, or was that shirt an afterthought? 

[TAC]

She was born that way.

[pg1067]

I'm pretty sure she's cited Arriving UFO as having been highly influential for her.

Much like To Be Over really moves Shakira.

[cramx3]

The Mandrake Project!!

https://blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-announces-new-solo-album-the-mandrake-project?fbclid=IwAR2OeT7q_SL6lZVyGTmPY8RzGYHRP-ul5gEADKsO3ZEDUIE-D3NsRZ69CL0

[DoctorAction]

Brilliant news. Well up for tha. Always felt Eternity was brilliant but the ending made no sense at all.

[Glasser]

The Mandrake Project!!

https://blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-announces-new-solo-album-the-mandrake-project?fbclid=IwAR2OeT7q_SL6lZVyGTmPY8RzGYHRP-ul5gEADKsO3ZEDUIE-D3NsRZ69CL0

Now this is something to look forward to! Thanks Cram!