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« Reply #4690 on: June 02, 2020, 01:33:00 PM »
It's all good everyone.   :hat
But thanks for the various explanations regarding making rankings and lists. Always good to get insight as to why people do things. Had a wonderful Maiden binge last night. Listened to many personal favorites and others with which I wanted become more familiar. I had good timing too -- ran out of beer exactly as Empire of the Clouds (the last song on my list) was wrapping up.

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« Reply #4691 on: June 02, 2020, 02:32:40 PM »
That's awesome. I know all about the running out of beer while rockin out thing.  Glad you had enough to make it through.. 🍻
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« Reply #4692 on: June 02, 2020, 03:05:29 PM »
It is just a way different brains work. For example, when I was about 10 or 11 years old I became obsessed with the role playing football game put out by a company called Strat-O-Matic.  There was a solitaire version of playing the game and during the summer in my spare time I would play every single game of every single team for an entire 16 game season as well as playing all the playoffs and all the way into the Super Bowl. Part of the fun for me at least, was collecting all the stats. I even had a file drawer with the stat sheets from every single game and I compiled them into lists of who had the most yards this season, who was the most valuable player...etc...etc.

Taking it over in the music, I was making a classroom top 10 list once a week going all the way back to the fourth grade. I would make several of these lists and pass them out to classmates. at home, I obsessively keep my CDs in alphabetical and chronological order.

So yes, while I understand that it sometimes hurts to put things in lists (“OMG! I love that song so much it hurts to put it down the list that far!”), there is ultimately a joy to it.
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« Reply #4693 on: June 02, 2020, 03:34:37 PM »
Count me in as well among those who aren't able to come up with long musical lists, I could at best do so with a specific album, but not with an entire carrer. Especially with Iron Maiden, my favorite band that I listen since 1995, for which I wouldn't know how to begin to compare the songs I've heard over all these years. How do I rate The Trooper, a song that I listen to since 25 years, against Empire of the Clouds? how do a 18 minutes long piano ballad ranks above or below a song I heard a gazillion times and that I know inside out to the point that I don't even listen to it anymore, except for live shows, which is a 5 minutes galopping rocker anyway?

And it's not like I'm not without my quirks. For example when I go to work I listen to compilations created as a setlist. I even pick an intro - I fool around with classical music maybe used by the real band or I make it up fooling around with free sound effects I find on Youtube) and I do encores, to the point that I calculate some additional time to pause the playlist before the encore starts. And I carefully pace them so that I can have my favorite songs in the moments where I can't do other stuff on the subway like reading, for example when I'm waiting a commute with another line, that's when I want to make sure I listen to a song I particulary like. And I even change "setlists" from "tour to tour", when new albums come out. In 2017 I made a 20 years anniversary compilation / setlist for Bruce Dickinson's Accident of Birth, and I didn't include any song off Chemical Wedding except for a b-side. Why? because I already knew that in 2018 I would have made a 20 years anniversary compilation for that album, and that I would have listened to it in full. Not even Mike Portnoy thinks that far ahead with the real setlists he creates.

But yet I wouldn't know where to begin to determine which is my 17th favorite song and which is my 21st. Not by myself however, I should do a giant league tornament like Destiny of Chaos does to find out probably  :D

Those who are able, I can however understand the fun that it brings to have such solid bases on which to build around discussions about music  :tup
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« Reply #4694 on: June 02, 2020, 08:49:55 PM »
Count me in as well among those who aren't able to come up with long musical lists, I could at best do so with a specific album, but not with an entire carrer. Especially with Iron Maiden, my favorite band that I listen since 1995, for which I wouldn't know how to begin to compare the songs I've heard over all these years. How do I rate The Trooper, a song that I listen to since 25 years, against Empire of the Clouds? how do a 18 minutes long piano ballad ranks above or below a song I heard a gazillion times and that I know inside out to the point that I don't even listen to it anymore, except for live shows, which is a 5 minutes galopping rocker anyway?

And it's not like I'm not without my quirks. For example when I go to work I listen to compilations created as a setlist. I even pick an intro - I fool around with classical music maybe used by the real band or I make it up fooling around with free sound effects I find on Youtube) and I do encores, to the point that I calculate some additional time to pause the playlist before the encore starts. And I carefully pace them so that I can have my favorite songs in the moments where I can't do other stuff on the subway like reading, for example when I'm waiting a commute with another line, that's when I want to make sure I listen to a song I particulary like. And I even change "setlists" from "tour to tour", when new albums come out. In 2017 I made a 20 years anniversary compilation / setlist for Bruce Dickinson's Accident of Birth, and I didn't include any song off Chemical Wedding except for a b-side. Why? because I already knew that in 2018 I would have made a 20 years anniversary compilation for that album, and that I would have listened to it in full. Not even Mike Portnoy thinks that far ahead with the real setlists he creates.

But yet I wouldn't know where to begin to determine which is my 17th favorite song and which is my 21st. Not by myself however, I should do a giant league tornament like Destiny of Chaos does to find out probably  :D

Those who are able, I can however understand the fun that it brings to have such solid bases on which to build around discussions about music  :tup

 :tup Great post. The first paragraph goes a long way towards explaining why rankings don't really work for me either. You give examples of two different songs. One tune is really long and has more of a somber mood and is only 5 years old. The other is shorter almost 1/4 the length of the other and completely different more aggresive vibe and is imbued with the nostalgia of all the years spent listening to it going back to more youthful days. They serve completely different functions and cannot really be compared to each other as it's a proverbial apples and oranges situation. They require different moods and mindsets to appreciate. To carry the analogy over to movies maybe one movie is a comedy or a mindless action adventure flick, while another is a serious drama with very sober view towards the human condition. Like take something like Shindler's List vs Terminator 2. So maybe it's possible to overall like one more than the other (rank it higher) you have to be in a different mood or frame of mind to enjoy either one. They are experienced differently by design.

Or maybe a toolbox analogy. In the box of tools there is a hammer, screwdriver, hacksaw, monkeywrench, etc.. . Someone says numerically rate the tools from best to worst. So sure it makes sense that you can do this based on the quality of the tools or which ones you use the most. But the pertinent question would be: What are we going to build/repair? That would be nature dictate which tools are more adequate for the job and which ones will be used the most. We can carry the analogy over to food as well. What's your favorite food? Well, you don't want to have that every meal? Is it for breakfast, dessert? etc.. etc..

Different pieces of music are just to beautiful and unique for me to even consider ranking in list fashion, but it's really cool that people enjoy doing these things and get something out of it; more power to you. And as others have pointed out it can be a good springboard into more nuanced conversation regarding the items in the list. It's fine.  :)

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« Reply #4695 on: June 02, 2020, 08:50:56 PM »
That's awesome. I know all about the running out of beer while rockin out thing.  Glad you had enough to make it through.. 🍻

Thanks! Glad you can understand the situation  ;)

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« Reply #4696 on: June 02, 2020, 08:58:54 PM »
1. Hammer
2. Tape Measure
3. Screwdriver
4. Pliers
5. Drill
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #4697 on: June 02, 2020, 09:02:38 PM »
1. Hammer
2. Tape Measure
3. Screwdriver
4. Pliers
5. Drill

1. Hammer
2. Hammer
3. Hammer
4. Hammer
5. Hammer

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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #4698 on: June 02, 2020, 09:04:02 PM »
Damn repeating.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #4699 on: June 02, 2020, 09:09:27 PM »
Also I didn't even mention what MirrorMask alluded to in his post was if you listen to something too much you may not want to listen to it anymore because you've heard it a "gazillion times". It's like Tom Sawyer. Great song and would probably go at the top of most people's lists but I don't really want to hear it except on the odd occasion. Last night I skipped Aces High, 2 Minutes and Powerslave and listened to everything else on that album for that very reason; because I've heard those songs a TON. I may even think those 3 are superior (I'd have to put them up higher on any list I suppose?) but I don't want to hear them. Law of diminishing return can be very real at times. Another reason why lists don't compute..if I get more enjoyment out of songs lower on the list because they haven't been played to death does that mean they really need to be higher on the list over songs I consider better? Arrg! Hurts my head. So I'll just shut up and listen to the music. 

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« Reply #4701 on: June 10, 2020, 08:35:37 AM »
Just got an e-mail that the show in July I had tickets to is cancelled, as expected. Sucks as it would've been my first Maiden show. Hopefully I'll still be able to catch them in the future.
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« Reply #4702 on: June 15, 2020, 04:33:38 PM »
I'm sure I sent this before, but I can't help myself.... today marks 12 years from the day I got on stage during Iron Maiden's performance of Heaven Can Wait at the sold out Madison Square Garden.  Easily the best concert moment of my life, not only to be standing and singing along right next to Steve Harris, but being on the MSG stage in front of a sold out crowd while the band's wives were also all on stage.  I just had to capture the video from the bootleg of the show on youtube and add some of my own flare.  Also, this was the infamous power outage during Powerslave show that I got to see unfold while waiting to go on stage so I had an unbelievable and unforgettable experience both before going on stage and when we finally got to be on stage.  I don't think anything can top this moment.   :metal :metal

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« Reply #4703 on: June 15, 2020, 04:34:46 PM »
 :metal :metal :metal
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #4704 on: June 15, 2020, 09:57:53 PM »
Indeed that looks balls out awesome!
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