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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #10640 on: May 05, 2024, 01:02:15 AM »
Been quenching a thirst to listen to live albums lately and DAYUM do I love me some Beast Over Hammersmith. For one thing the band just sounds heavier and meaner and Bruce is in incredible form. Does anyone know if there were any vocal touch-ups? Because if not, wow. Songs have more speed and energy with Clive; I was especially noticing yesterday how fast his right foot is on 22AA. Hard to top Live After Death, Rock in Rio, Flight 666, and En Vivo but this might be my favorite live release of theirs. Well, Maiden England has the best setlist but the sound is not good.
Yea that might also be my favourite live album by Maiden. Clive was in his prime. His speed both in hands and feet were killer and he just overall plays so well and intense.

The band overall just sounds so energetic and raw.
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« Reply #10641 on: May 05, 2024, 04:33:59 PM »
I always remember from the Classic album series documentary on TNOTB years ago, Bruce said on that the 'stars aligned' with that particular lineup and it was just a perfect moment in time for that lineup and album.  As much as Nicko is Maiden through and through, that statement always stuck with me, it's very true.
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« Reply #10642 on: May 05, 2024, 04:56:59 PM »
I always remember from the Classic album series documentary on TNOTB years ago, Bruce said on that the 'stars aligned' with that particular lineup and it was just a perfect moment in time for that lineup and album.  As much as Nicko is Maiden through and through, that statement always stuck with me, it's very true.

Even though I had seen a couple of Paul DiAnno videos beforehand, TNOTB was really may starting point and remains a special and top album today.
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« Reply #10643 on: May 06, 2024, 12:29:41 AM »
Always loved Clive more than Nicko (which isn't to say I don't love N McB)
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« Reply #10644 on: May 06, 2024, 11:10:59 AM »
Yeah when I first heard Genghis Khan I was totally blown away by the drumming. Not a drummer myself, so I'm not sure what easier or more difficult to play, to me it just sounds like Clive is a monster player especially on that track.

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« Reply #10645 on: May 06, 2024, 03:00:09 PM »
I really like Clive Burr's playing and appreciate a lot of what he brought to the fold, but for me Maiden's lineup was complete when Nicko joined. So much of what became signature for the band on Piece of Mind. Prior to that it sounds like they are reaching, and coming close.
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« Reply #10646 on: May 06, 2024, 03:11:14 PM »
I really like Clive Burr's playing and appreciate a lot of what he brought to the fold, but for me Maiden's lineup was complete when Nicko joined. So much of what became signature for the band on Piece of Mind. Prior to that it sounds like they are reaching, and coming close.

I'm trying to think of another band's comp. Maybe Bon Scott to Brian Johnson..

I'm fascinated by the Clive to Nicko transition and what it means. Nicko became such a vital cog in Maiden's style. I wonder had Clive not been fired, where Maiden's sound would've gone, and what effect he would've had on the music.
To me, The Number Of The Beast is still my favorite Maiden album, and it really has its own sound and style in the Maiden catalog.

The other thing, which is an epiphany that I am embarrassed to have had fairly recently but knew the entire time is that drumming matters, and drummers are not interchangeable.
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« Reply #10647 on: May 07, 2024, 05:37:08 AM »
I'm trying to think of another band's comp. Maybe Bon Scott to Brian Johnson..

I'm fascinated by the Clive to Nicko transition and what it means. Nicko became such a vital cog in Maiden's style. I wonder had Clive not been fired, where Maiden's sound would've gone, and what effect he would've had on the music.
To me, The Number Of The Beast is still my favorite Maiden album, and it really has its own sound and style in the Maiden catalog.

The other thing, which is an epiphany that I am embarrassed to have had fairly recently but knew the entire time is that drumming matters, and drummers are not interchangeable.

Not a joke, not snark, but dead serious: I sort of knew that around the 1979 to '82 timeframe, but wasn't really sure, and found that out for certain on September 12, 2011.

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« Reply #10648 on: May 07, 2024, 05:48:58 AM »
I'm gonna see Blaze Bayley again this summer! second billed (headliner are Korpiklaani) at a charity festival this August, gosh, the last time I've seen him must have been the 2001 tour with Helloween. He announced a "special Iron Maiden show" so I guess it's gonna be a lot of X Factor and Virtual XI song plus Virus.
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« Reply #10649 on: May 09, 2024, 07:16:00 AM »
Not a joke, not snark, but dead serious: I sort of knew that around the 1979 to '82 timeframe, but wasn't really sure, and found that out for certain on September 12, 2011.

I assume that is the release date of A Dramatic Turn of Events . . . funnily enough that's still my favorite Mangini performance and it wasn't until View that I felt there were some spots that felt a little robotic.

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« Reply #10650 on: May 09, 2024, 07:26:38 AM »
I assume that is the release date of A Dramatic Turn of Events . . . funnily enough that's still my favorite Mangini performance and it wasn't until View that I felt there were some spots that felt a little robotic.

That was in fact the release of ADTOE.   I liked it, didn't love it, and for me the cracks were already beginning to show.  At that time, I lived on Broad Street in Philly, and they played the Kimmel Center, literally across the street. I didn't go.  I don't anymore, but for a while I would say "I wouldn't go across the street to see the new version".  I don't say that now because it's not true - I've seen them I think four times in the Mangini era - and it's not fair.   But the reality is, they were an elite band for a long time and things changed and not for the better.

It may be my favorite of that era too - it certainly has my two favorite songs from that era - but it's still missing something.

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« Reply #10651 on: May 10, 2024, 04:59:53 AM »
I don't hate Gangland like some do (sure it's probably the weakest on the album but I don't dislike it) but it still feels crazy that it made the album over Total Eclipse which is just a really great song, and one I like more than maybe half the songs on Number of the Beast.

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« Reply #10652 on: May 10, 2024, 06:28:50 AM »
I don't hate Gangland like some do (sure it's probably the weakest on the album but I don't dislike it) but it still feels crazy that it made the album over Total Eclipse which is just a really great song, and one I like more than maybe half the songs on Number of the Beast.

LOVED Total Eclipse from the minute I heard it (as a b-side).   I think it made my Top Five Maiden songs.

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« Reply #10653 on: May 10, 2024, 08:00:35 AM »
I'm gonna see Blaze Bayley again this summer! second billed (headliner are Korpiklaani) at a charity festival this August, gosh, the last time I've seen him must have been the 2001 tour with Helloween. He announced a "special Iron Maiden show" so I guess it's gonna be a lot of X Factor and Virtual XI song plus Virus.
I was lucky enough to catch him a couple of times when he mostly played his solo songs with only three or four Maiden tracks. You're still going to have a fine time with the Maiden set, though.  :tup

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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #10654 on: May 10, 2024, 10:19:37 AM »
Gangland > Total Eclipse

Honestly to me itís not even close.
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« Reply #10655 on: May 10, 2024, 10:23:38 AM »
Gangland > Total Eclipse

Honestly to me itís not even close.

If you swap the > I'd agree.  I rate Gangland as one of the worst IM songs and Total Eclipse is not too much higher although generally, its a much better song for me.  DT's version is light years better too by basically doing it completely different  :lol

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« Reply #10656 on: May 10, 2024, 11:35:28 AM »
I don't hate Gangland like some do (sure it's probably the weakest on the album but I don't dislike it) but it still feels crazy that it made the album over Total Eclipse which is just a really great song, and one I like more than maybe half the songs on Number of the Beast.

In the Maiden countdown a couple years ago, I ranked Gangland at #61.  It was the lowest ranked song on Number, but there are days when I'd rank it higher than Children of the Damned and Run to the Hills.  I don't get the appeal of Total Eclipse.  Had I even included it in my rankings, it wouldn't have made the top 75 (although it probably would have beaten out stuff like Infinite Dreams and The Clairvoyant).


Gangland > Total Eclipse

Honestly to me itís not even close.

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« Reply #10657 on: May 10, 2024, 12:19:55 PM »
Gangland > Total Eclipse

Honestly to me itís not even close.

You have the ">" backwards.  :)

In recent years, I've come to appreciate aspects of it - the riff is cool - but Gangland never landed with me like the rest of the album.

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« Reply #10658 on: May 10, 2024, 05:26:41 PM »
I always enjoyed Gangland.  The missing Dave solo is a classic bit of IM trivia.

I'd probably be in the Total Eclipse camp over it though.  Although, I'm not made Gangland made the album over it.  Although, the remaster fixed that issue so never been a problem to me.
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« Reply #10659 on: May 10, 2024, 11:45:04 PM »
Total Eclipse is such a B-side for me. Can't help but think its mystique has been contributed to by it having been left off the album initially.
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« Reply #10660 on: May 13, 2024, 05:42:15 AM »
To me all the guitars on SiT sound like they are using Tom Scholz Rockman tone. Always thought is was a very similar guitar tone to Boston's Third Stage.  However, I don't actually know anything about the production of these records so someone else may know better?


I really adore the sound of the record and I think I asked the same a while back. Not sure what made it, though.

There are some synths there, of course, but they seem very much like single note washes underneath the usual arrangements in general, and never stick out much to me.

The Rockman was famously used for Angus's tone in AC/DC. Not sure about IM. I think I read that there was some sort of double mic placement or something on SiT that meant the guitars had two layers recorded and together they produced a subtle chorus-like effect but I could be dreaming.

Both SiT and SSOASS have very unique sounds to these ears. The guitar tone on the latter very unusual. Not sure I've ever heard anything like it and it may have been Gallien Kruger (spelling?) amps or something.

Either way, I think both those albums have some of the all time greatest production on them.  :metal

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« Reply #10661 on: May 20, 2024, 08:32:33 AM »
Interesting aditions to tour setlist:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-dickinson/2024/civic-hall-wolverhampton-england-5ba90330.html
I couldn't confirm 100%, but it seems like the S„o Paulo (Brazil) show was filmed for a future release. I hope Bruce also releases the rotating songs as audio at least.
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« Reply #10662 on: May 20, 2024, 09:07:00 AM »
Interesting aditions to tour setlist:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-dickinson/2024/civic-hall-wolverhampton-england-5ba90330.html
I couldn't confirm 100%, but it seems like the S„o Paulo (Brazil) show was filmed for a future release. I hope Bruce also releases the rotating songs as audio at least.

Awesome if it gets released, and I LOVE how he's rotating songs.  Can't wait till this comes to the US...

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« Reply #10663 on: May 20, 2024, 05:07:47 PM »
That's a great setlist. Pulling out a little Skunkworks. Nice.
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« Reply #10664 on: May 20, 2024, 06:32:52 PM »
Interesting aditions to tour setlist:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-dickinson/2024/civic-hall-wolverhampton-england-5ba90330.html
I couldn't confirm 100%, but it seems like the S„o Paulo (Brazil) show was filmed for a future release. I hope Bruce also releases the rotating songs as audio at least.

Faith is such a nice deep cut.  I've never been a big fan of ATYD, but it makes sense to pull it out on this current tour IMO considering the new album was more varied and less heavy.
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« Reply #10665 on: May 20, 2024, 06:39:28 PM »
Faith is such a nice deep cut.  I've never been a big fan of ATYD, but it makes sense to pull it out on this current tour IMO considering the new album was more varied and less heavy.

I'm not a fan of ATYD either, but it's obviously important to Bruce.
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« Reply #10666 on: May 21, 2024, 09:07:53 AM »
I'd much rather a different song for my show personally, but I just love how he's going out there and switching it up.  It kind of seems like he's having fun out there playing with a more typical "rock band" where he can pull all the strings. 

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« Reply #10667 on: May 21, 2024, 10:24:48 AM »
Saw this on Youtube today. Nicko and his medical team talking about his stroke.

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« Reply #10668 on: May 21, 2024, 01:07:09 PM »
I love that video. Those guys that worked on him have no idea they helped save a legendary band.

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« Reply #10669 on: May 24, 2024, 01:44:34 AM »
Caught Brucie in a small/medium venue here in the UK last night. Ace to see him up close. Looks like he's having a great time out there. The band are excellent too - they really capture the vibe of the solo material with lots of energy and smiles. Well worth catching him on this tour if you can.
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« Reply #10670 on: May 24, 2024, 09:31:45 AM »
A month or so ago I saw IM post on socials a store sale on tour tshirts.  Basically you pay $35 and you will get 3 random tshirts.  Figured a single IM shirt from a concert is like 50 or 60 bucks these days, this was a cool deal and the surprise is kind of cool.

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« Reply #10671 on: May 24, 2024, 09:42:25 AM »
A month or so ago I saw IM post on socials a store sale on tour tshirts.  Basically you pay $35 and you will get 3 random tshirts.  Figured a single IM shirt from a concert is like 50 or 60 bucks these days, this was a cool deal and the surprise is kind of cool.

VERY happy with what I got!



The left is from the 2019 tour where I saw them in Brooklyn, the middle is from the 2022 tour where I saw them in NJ (both shirts have the dates on the back), and the right has sick single art work on both sides, one for Sign of the Cross and the oher side has The Writing on the wall

That's awesome! Very cool. I hope you at least choose your shirt size?

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« Reply #10672 on: May 24, 2024, 10:20:45 AM »
Yeah, but you could only choose one size.  If I could have chosen multiple I'd have gotten one for my buddy.

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« Reply #10673 on: May 24, 2024, 10:23:58 AM »
Yeah, but you could only choose one size.  If I could have chosen multiple I'd have gotten one for my buddy.

There's the catch, you're buddy needed to do an order him or herself, which is still a great deal.

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« Reply #10674 on: May 24, 2024, 10:26:24 AM »
There's the catch, you're buddy needed to do an order him or herself, which is still a great deal.

True.  In all honesty though, neither of us need more IM shirts  :lol  My gf literally just made fun of me as I put those shirts away since I'll have to retire a few to make space in the closet.