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Who's Iced Earth's best Singer?

Gene Adam
1 (1%)
John Greely
0 (0%)
Matt Barlow
71 (68.3%)
Tim "Ripper" Owens
13 (12.5%)
Stu Block
12 (11.5%)
Comedy Option: Jon Schaffer
7 (6.7%)

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2625 on: October 02, 2019, 12:30:16 AM »
If I won the lottery, I'd give a million to Barlow so he can tour with Iced Earth again. I'm sure Jon wouldn't mind booting Stu for Matt.

I'd have to win about 100 billion to even consider spending a million on something like that.

I'd consider it donating to charity. Chances are Matt probably wouldn't accept the cash though. He's too humble.

Yeah me too.

Saying that though, I'd give Stu half a mil just to leave.  :lol

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2626 on: October 02, 2019, 07:42:44 AM »
Even though I liked their last album, Iím astonished how one of my favorite thrash bands took one of my favorite metal singers and just brought out the absolute worst in each other.
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2627 on: October 02, 2019, 08:31:04 AM »
I'll counter: I thought the last album had some great writing and that, the Barlow impression aside, Stu found a good voice to use on future Iced Earth albums. If Stu left tomorrow, who would replace him? Someone actually likely to join, not Barlow or Ripper or, idk, Hansi?

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« Reply #2628 on: October 02, 2019, 08:43:25 AM »
I'll counter: I thought the last album had some great writing and that, the Barlow impression aside, Stu found a good voice to use on future Iced Earth albums. If Stu left tomorrow, who would replace him? Someone actually likely to join, not Barlow or Ripper or, idk, Hansi?

Like I said, last album was good but he still isnít anywhere near singing in a natural sounding voice. The writing just improved.

Who would replace him? No idea. Not Hansi. Definitely not Ripper sadly. And likely not Barlow.

Maybe Nicky Spanjaards?
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2629 on: October 02, 2019, 08:46:14 AM »
Maybe Nicky Spanjaards?
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Seriously, I can't really think of a good metal singer who is in pre-IE Stu's position right now. The Witherfall guy might work stylistically, but the Sanctuary guys already snatched him.

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« Reply #2630 on: October 02, 2019, 08:53:11 AM »
Honestly, I donít have an obvious choice to replace him. But I also would have never predicted Stu join IE either. Or Ripper.

But Stus not leaving. I just donít like him in the band.
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2631 on: October 02, 2019, 09:11:33 AM »
But I also would have never predicted Stu join IE either. Or Ripper.
Me neither! But it shouldn't be hard for me to name someone who exists in any scene with clean singing (power metal, heavy metal, prog, doom, whatever) right now who might be game for joining a bigger band, and I really can't. Maybe Kelly Carpenter or that Greek guy from Wardrum? I'm not saying you in particular have to offer a replacement if you hate Stu in the band or that there is no way to find a better option (like auditioning complete unknowns). Just saying that I think y'alls are kinda harsh towards Stu considering that we don't even have anyone to point at that who could do it a lot better. Stu himself could do it a lot better if anyone bothered to tell him he doesn't have to pretend to be a baritone.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2632 on: October 02, 2019, 09:15:02 AM »
It's really his live performance that bothers me most. On the albums he's alright. Sometimes he still sounds silly, like when he goes high on Great Heathen Army. In that Dracula clip I posted, he sounded pretty good during the intro. Very little Barlowing. I just don't understand how Jon can hear him live and still think he's great. Especially after reading an interview back in 2004 on Barlow's departure, saying how awful he sounded on The Glorious Burden.

I'll give Stu credit where it's due though. He made Jon's heart grow 3 sizes.

Here's the interview. He's so angry here:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iced-earth-s-schaffer-matt-barlow-wasn-t-comfortable-playing-the-rock-star-role/


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« Reply #2633 on: October 02, 2019, 09:27:52 AM »
That interview reads as him shit-talking someone who decided to leave him. "Until yesterday I was happy to be with my wife but now I gotta tell you she's UGLY. and FAT. and LAZY."  :lol His opinions on how things should sound change with the wind anyway, and as he changes his opinions about the person, so does his opinion about the person's performance change. It's how Ripper went from the voice he hears in his head when he writes songs to "it never would have worked anyway". If Stu wakes up from his permanent high to offer a contrary opinion he'll be gone and lambasted in interviews too.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2634 on: October 02, 2019, 09:30:07 AM »
Here's the interview. He's so angry here:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iced-earth-s-schaffer-matt-barlow-wasn-t-comfortable-playing-the-rock-star-role/

I remember that interview, and maybe at the time it made sense, but yeah, he's so angry and bitter. He probably took it all out on Larry Tarnowski and he ended up being collateral damage   :P

"Damn, this whole situation sucks, Matt's leaving, the music business is grueling.... you know what? Larry, you just play solos anyway, GTFO as well"  :biggrin:
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« Reply #2635 on: October 02, 2019, 09:43:34 AM »
That interview reads as him shit-talking someone who decided to leave him. "Until yesterday I was happy to be with my wife but now I gotta tell you she's UGLY. and FAT. and LAZY."  :lol His opinions on how things should sound change with the wind anyway, and as he changes his opinions about the person, so does his opinion about the person's performance change. It's how Ripper went from the voice he hears in his head when he writes songs to "it never would have worked anyway". If Stu wakes up from his permanent high to offer a contrary opinion he'll be gone and lambasted in interviews too.

Yeah, you're 100% correct. Although like I said, Stu brought out Jon's inner child, and he's been all smiles for years. I never understood the Ripper thing though. Using Dracula again, Ripper sounds great during the high parts, but he's off during the intro and can't convey the emotion. So during recording for that song, he had Ripper in his head, and Matt sang it his way, so he didn't get the sound he wanted. Also, Phantom Opera Ghost must have sounded really funny in his head.

He also said Matt never wrote vocal melodies. How can someone write lyrics without having vocal melodies? I guess John Myung does this too. On Pyramaze's Immortal, Matt wrote all the vocal melodies. This doesn't make sense to me. The lyricist in Pyramaze wrote all those lyrics without any melodies in mind, or were they completely different?

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2636 on: October 10, 2019, 01:28:21 PM »
So I decided to give Dystopia another shot, considering I've bought the album FIVE FUCKING TIMES (I finally got the sticker though) and I have to say... My opinion hasn't change a whole lot. The riffs are largely uninspired, as are the drums, which sound lifeless. Boiling Point is still silly, but not as bad as Days of Rage. I still don't understand how Equilibrium's vocal melodies slipped past Jon, as the verses are basically Anthem's but sped up. Positives: I actually think Stu sounds his best (in Iced Earth) on this album. I criticized him a lot when it came out for his Barlowisms, but he's honestly gotten worse, although the albums have gotten better. Dystopia. Anguish of Youth, V, Dark City, Soylent Green, Iron Will, and Tragedy and Triumph are all good songs. Days of Rage is horrible, Anthem is just OK, as is End of innocence, and Equilibrium is Eh. Aside from the verses, I forgot what it sounded like. It's still at the bottom of the catalog, with Crucible still beating it out. Too bad there aren't any live versions to choose over the sterile studio versions. Yes, I'm aware of Live in Ancient Kourion. It's terrible, and not just because of Stu. Jon may like playing on tempo, but live it sounds slower, and they muted the crowd!


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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2637 on: October 12, 2019, 12:38:53 PM »
Better late than never - I finally saw the whole Wacken show in streaming.

Whoah! amazing! it was great and energetic from start to finish, and it helped to have a lot of songs played back to back (Hansi never does this with Blind Guardian, it's a bit of a drag to have introduction - song, introduction - song, introduction - song, without exceptions). Nice selection of tunes, good job from the backing vocalists which surely helped, and of course the atmosphere of Wacken and all the pyros were great!

Now I regret not having seen them, not that they came by my nation anyway.....
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Demons & Wizards 2019 Tour
« Reply #2638 on: October 12, 2019, 03:27:49 PM »
I hope that Wacken show gets a release, it might have been the best of their tour.  I mean, I didn't watch all their concerts or anything but there's little doubt that performance was topped, other than maybe their last show at ProgPower  :biggrin: