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« Reply #525 on: March 18, 2019, 01:22:48 PM »
I know it's a Metallica show, but in cases like this, we don't need Battery. We DO need songs like Unforgiven (either of them) or Fade to Black.

Battery is actually my favorite performance on the original S&M, mainly because of how the intro is arranged. I do agree that an orchestra would definitely do justice to the Unforgivens and Fade to Black as well.

The intro is cool, totally. But that's about it. There's a few other songs that definitely didn't benefit from the symphony, and outside of the intro, Battery was one of them. You can just feel the "Uhhhh I dunno what to do here" that Kamen felt for much of that song.

Also, if they're doing new songs, I hope whoever they got is as good as Kamen. What that man did to that show was genius. Just compare it to the work done with DT. Night and day.
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« Reply #526 on: March 18, 2019, 01:31:54 PM »
Yea, I agree, the orchestration on S&M was sooooo much better than any of the bands who tried to follow with similar concerts.

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« Reply #527 on: March 18, 2019, 01:37:00 PM »
Wow, this is VERY cool!  It's kind of silly that a band this big has NOT had more of a connection with SF Bay Area sports up until now.  Sports fans have been talking about something like this for ages.  Cool that they are going to combine it with the anniversary of such a landmark performance that helped inspire and launch an entire subgenre of metal.  I don't think many actual Warriors players are Metallica fans.  :lol  But still.
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« Reply #528 on: March 18, 2019, 01:42:59 PM »
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« Reply #529 on: March 18, 2019, 01:43:37 PM »
A song for the orchestra should be rearranged. Having the violins doing unisons with the guitar riffs is pointless.

My template for orchestrations will always be the german band Rage.

Listen to this thrashy song, the title track from their Black in Mind album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1O_7K2NeWQ

And now listen to the orchestral version, this video presents the first two parts of a medley so skip to the 0:58 mark because the piano intro is the chorus of another song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUo2_6m5KGg

THAT, to me, is doing an orchestral version.

Should Iron Maiden do an orchestral show, they should concentrate on stuff like Empire of the Clouds, For the Greater Good of God and the likes and forget about playing The Trooper and 23:58 as they are but with violins following the guitars.
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« Reply #530 on: March 18, 2019, 01:46:48 PM »
I agree with your point, but I don't see what it has to do with this. The cool thing about S&M is that they DIDN'T do what you said bands shouldn't do. And if they did, it was specifically to emphasize it.
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« Reply #531 on: March 18, 2019, 01:48:26 PM »
Wow, this is VERY cool!  It's kind of silly that a band this big has NOT had more of a connection with SF Bay Area sports up until now.


I took this picture outside of AT&T Ballpark last summer..

would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #532 on: March 18, 2019, 01:50:07 PM »
I agree with your point, but I don't see what it has to do with this. The cool thing about S&M is that they DIDN'T do what you said bands shouldn't do. And if they did, it was specifically to emphasize it.

I remember quite some passages where the orchestra, as you said, was "mh don't know what to do here". But I admit I haven't listen to the album in quite some time so I might have an incorrect perception about it.
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« Reply #533 on: March 18, 2019, 01:51:09 PM »
Wow, this is VERY cool!  It's kind of silly that a band this big has NOT had more of a connection with SF Bay Area sports up until now.


I took this picture outside of AT&T Ballpark last summer..



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I guess it isn't too hard to believe that Giants fans have probably been the MOST vocal about what I said above.
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« Reply #534 on: March 18, 2019, 02:35:07 PM »
Haven't Metallica been doing Metallica night for a SF Giants home game for a few years now? 

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« Reply #535 on: March 18, 2019, 02:58:05 PM »
Not that I'm aware of.  But I could just be unaware. 
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« Reply #536 on: March 18, 2019, 03:13:12 PM »
Just looked, this year is the 7th annual Metallica Night

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-announces-seventh-annual-metallica-night-with-san-francisco-giants/

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A statement on the band's web site reads: "Mark your calendars for the seventh annual 'Metallica Night'! On April 26, 2019 — just before we take off for our annual European summer vacation — we'll celebrate one of our favorite hometown traditions, 'Metallica Night', at Oracle Park with the San Francisco Giants. Members of the band will be on hand to start things off with the National Anthem and first pitch, sticking around all night to cheer on the team against the New York Yankees. As is customary, we'll take part in some of the between-inning fun and games, as well as an exclusive pre-game VIP event."

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« Reply #537 on: March 18, 2019, 03:26:04 PM »
Oh, cool!  :tup
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« Reply #538 on: March 18, 2019, 03:30:19 PM »
Wow, this is VERY cool!  It's kind of silly that a band this big has NOT had more of a connection with SF Bay Area sports up until now.


I took this picture outside of AT&T Ballpark last summer..



That picture makes me want to throw away everything I own relating to Metallica.
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« Reply #539 on: March 18, 2019, 04:08:04 PM »
Wow, this is VERY cool!  It's kind of silly that a band this big has NOT had more of a connection with SF Bay Area sports up until now.


I took this picture outside of AT&T Ballpark last summer..



That picture makes me want to throw away everything I own relating to Metallica.

Oh, it gets worst for us.  San Jose Sharks come out to the rink with Seek and Destroy as their opening theme for their home games and I think there was a Metallica night for a Sharks game in 2015 and guess who they played that night?  The Kings.  Guess who won that night?  The bloody Sharks.

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« Reply #540 on: March 18, 2019, 04:23:11 PM »
Oh, cool!  :tup

It is pretty cool to embrace their home town team, and for the team to embrace them as well.

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« Reply #541 on: March 19, 2019, 07:24:46 AM »
Wow, I'm blown away that they are doing S&M2. Over the years, S&M has become one of my favorite live concert DVD/CDs, I pray they are filming this and will release it (traveling to CA is probably not happening for me).

It seems like, according to the announcement, they will revisit some songs they did the first time with Kamen and do some songs they didn't do before.

Off the top of my head, I'd love it if they did a bunch of songs that have come out since the first S&M was released, like:

The Day That Never Comes
Atlas Rise
Dream No More
Halo On Fire
Now That We're Dead
The Unforgiven III

Even a track like The Unnamed Feeling off SA would be cool. And yeah, obviously I hope they incorporate some obvious tunes they left off the first time like The Unforgiven and Fade to Black.

I'll say it again, I really hope they film this and release it, if anyone has been following the Worldwired Tour, the band is playing really well right now and James in particular is singing very well, probably the best he's sounded in a long time.

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« Reply #542 on: March 19, 2019, 01:01:27 PM »
Been thinking about the setlist and what it could be for this upcoming revisit. Hopefully it's either radically different, or exactly the same haha. I'm worried that any new songs will not be orchestrated as well without Michael Kamen. But we shall see. I hope it's radically different than last time, and what they're doing now on tour. Basically, hit every album with some rarities and only a couple of repeats/mega-hits. What I'd like to see (something like this):

The Ecstacy of Gold
Orion
The Four Horsemen
Eye of the Beholder
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Halo on Fire
King Nothing
No Leaf Clover
The Day That Never Comes
Dream No More
Nothing Else Matters
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The Unforgiven
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The Unforgiven III
I Disappear
Am I Savage?
The Unnamed Feeling
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
One
Seek & Destroy
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Fight Fire With Fire

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« Reply #543 on: March 20, 2019, 06:57:35 AM »
I'd ditch Seek and Destroy for Fade to Black, but overall, good setlist. 
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« Reply #544 on: March 20, 2019, 07:24:07 AM »
All the Unforgivens in a row might be cool

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« Reply #545 on: March 20, 2019, 07:25:31 AM »
All the Unforgivens in a row might be cool

Yeah, that would be amazing actually.

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« Reply #546 on: March 20, 2019, 09:53:51 AM »
My brother his girlfriend are apparently going to this show. I jokingly messaged her asking if they were planning on bringing me. her response: "Get your ass up here to visit and we will!"

Too bad I can't make plans that far in advanced right now :lol
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« Reply #547 on: March 20, 2019, 09:59:38 AM »
Do it.
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« Reply #548 on: March 20, 2019, 10:04:59 AM »
If they really plan on buying my ticket, and depending on when they actually commit, I just might.

I haven't been up there to visit in about 5-6 years.
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #549 on: March 20, 2019, 10:12:48 AM »
^ You should definitely do it. Browsing the Metallica forums, it seems like tickets are really hard to get and many are automatically popping up on StubHub for waaaaaaay over face value. 

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« Reply #550 on: March 20, 2019, 10:16:34 AM »
^ You should definitely do it. Browsing the Metallica forums, it seems like tickets are really hard to get and many are automatically popping up on StubHub for waaaaaaay over face value.

Yea makes sense, this is going to be a hot ticket

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« Reply #551 on: March 20, 2019, 10:51:59 AM »
Yeah, I tried for like 45 minutes to get one during the pre-sale yesterday but no luck. Would absolutely fly out to SF if I could get one. Oh well.
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« Reply #553 on: March 20, 2019, 04:16:13 PM »
Oh, wow.  I didn't know about this. 
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« Reply #554 on: March 21, 2019, 07:01:49 AM »
Even a track like The Unnamed Feeling off SA would be cool. And yeah, obviously I hope they incorporate some obvious tunes they left off the first time like The Unforgiven and Fade to Black.

The Unnamed Feeling would definitely be cool, and I think All Within My Hands (in style of acoustic version) would work well too in this context. Unforgiven and Fade to Black are indeed quite glaring omissions from the original and hopefully they'll make the cut this time. I'd expect them to play 5-6 songs from Hardwired and bunch of classics, but anything from Load and ReLoad sans Fuel is a plus in my books. Hopefully there's still room for some surprises, they can't NOT be playing The Call of Ktulu or No Leaf Clover.

I doubt they'll do any covers, but Astronomy with an orchestra would be sooo sweet.

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« Reply #555 on: March 21, 2019, 08:04:32 AM »
Even a track like The Unnamed Feeling off SA would be cool. And yeah, obviously I hope they incorporate some obvious tunes they left off the first time like The Unforgiven and Fade to Black.

The Unnamed Feeling would definitely be cool, and I think All Within My Hands (in style of acoustic version) would work well too in this context. Unforgiven and Fade to Black are indeed quite glaring omissions from the original and hopefully they'll make the cut this time. I'd expect them to play 5-6 songs from Hardwired and bunch of classics, but anything from Load and ReLoad sans Fuel is a plus in my books. Hopefully there's still room for some surprises, they can't NOT be playing The Call of Ktulu or No Leaf Clover.

I doubt they'll do any covers, but Astronomy with an orchestra would be sooo sweet.

The Unnamed Feeling or All Within My Hands would both be great choices off of SA to play with orchestration.  I'm totally with you on the HW songs, I hope they play at least 5. Atlas Rise, Moth Into Flame, Halo On Fire, Dream No More, Now That We're Dead, etc... would all be great.

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« Reply #556 on: March 21, 2019, 09:50:21 AM »
I just hope they treat this as a special event and not just a normal Metallica show but with an orchestra, at least as far as setlists go.

Metallica tours all the time. If you want to see Seek and Destroy and Enter Sandman and the other 20 songs they play every tour every year, go to those. I hope this is an opportunity to go very different.
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« Reply #557 on: March 21, 2019, 12:06:07 PM »
I just hope they treat this as a special event and not just a normal Metallica show but with an orchestra, at least as far as setlists go.

Metallica tours all the time. If you want to see Seek and Destroy and Enter Sandman and the other 20 songs they play every tour every year, go to those. I hope this is an opportunity to go very different.

I agree, but realistically, they are probably going to do a lot of the same songs they did from the first S&M. This is what they played at the first S&M, I bolded the songs I'm guessing they will do again:

The Ecstasy of Gold
The Call of Ktulu
Master of Puppets
Of Wolf and Man
The Thing That Should Not Be
Fuel
The Memory Remains
No Leaf Clover
Hero of the Day
Devil's Dance
Bleeding Me
Nothing Else Matters
Until It Sleeps
For Whom the Bell Tolls
- Human
Wherever I May Roam
The Outlaw Torn
Sad but True
One
Enter Sandman
Battery

That leaves eight open slots. Obviously, I'm just guessing, but I think we will probably get 4 HW songs, a DM song, maybe a SA song, and a couple old ones that weren't on the first S&M, like Creeping Death or The Unforgiven, or Fade to Black.

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« Reply #558 on: March 21, 2019, 12:33:58 PM »
I'm really skeptical about them playing - Human ever again, I do actually like that one (reminds me of Alice in Chains), but it seems largely forgotten. And who knows, maybe there will be a completely new song.

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« Reply #559 on: March 21, 2019, 12:43:30 PM »
I'm really skeptical about them playing - Human ever again, I do actually like that one (reminds me of Alice in Chains), but it seems largely forgotten. And who knows, maybe there will be a completely new song.

Yea, I kind of see it being forgotten here too.  No Leaf Clover is a must IMO, but Human, yea that's forgettable and I'd rather see a new or different old song get the S&M treatment.