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Re: Metallica Thread v. remastered Kill em All and RTL!
« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2015, 03:41:02 PM »
St. Anger might've been fine if they just went in and banged it out, but they beat that thing to death, and it sounds anything but spontaneous.
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« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2015, 11:10:52 PM »
Ah....I can feel it finally starting to bubble just below the surface.

I knew that after much time had passed, people would begin being just a bit kinder to SA.

I have always held that TBA is to SA what a perfumed french poodle is to a snarling, ravenous, unbathed, rabid, junkyard dog.   I really like St Anger.   Yes...the snare is a bit annoying, but I really love the feel of that album in spite of it.
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« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2015, 11:18:13 PM »
SA will never be looked upon fondly or seen as some hidden gem. The album is just embarrassingly bad overall. It has a few promising songs, but it's a bloated, badly performed, badly written mess of an album by a band at a very confused point in their lives and careers. There are 2 or 3 songs I don't (or didn't) mind, but it doesn't come close to even the weakest of their other albums.
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« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2015, 11:30:40 PM »
BB&S and TJK are so much better than anything SA has to offer. That alone basically ends the DM vs. SA argument for me aside from the fact that it only gets to be an even greater divide when you compare the entirety of them toe-to-toe.
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Re: Metallica Thread v. remastered Kill em All and RTL!
« Reply #109 on: January 10, 2015, 02:03:42 AM »
St. Anger might've been fine if they just went in and banged it out, but they beat that thing to death, and it sounds anything but spontaneous.
Completely this.

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« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2015, 03:01:04 AM »
I was gonna say that the problem with St. Anger was that it had 4 minute songs stretched out to 7-8 minute songs, but then I realized that's also the case on Death Magnetic, and probably even worse there.

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« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2015, 03:35:43 AM »
I was gonna say that the problem with St. Anger was that it had 4 minute songs stretched out to 7-8 minute songs, but then I realized that's also the case on Death Magnetic, and probably even worse there.

Pretty true. I'm not sure which is worse; St Anger was padded out with repetitive verses and riffing with no leads, and on DM the songs were padded out with very poorly performed instrumental sections with sloppy guitar solos.

I think it's worse on Death Magnetic, because several of those songs could have easily been great shorter songs recapturing the concise style of TBA, instead of bloated failed attempts at recapturing MoP/AJFA. They were trying too hard to do something they're not really capable of any more, rather than playing to their strengths.
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« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2015, 05:03:53 AM »
They haven't been playing to their strengths since about 2002.

James should stop trying to increase his upper range and stick to the low register singing / growl that he's so good at.

The high note at the end of "Hate Train" just sounds so forced and out of place where a low trademark Hetfield growl would have fitted perfectly there.

About the only thing that's good about the band anymore is James overall guitar playing and Rob's bass playing.

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« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2015, 05:30:23 AM »
Rob is the best musician in the band and also the one you hear the least on albums due to bad production :facepalm:

EDIT: It's been posted before, but deserved a repost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nclXtEqf3e0

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« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2015, 05:31:25 AM »
Rob is the best musician in the band and also the one you hear the least on albums due to bad production :facepalm:

There's that video on Youtube of him playing flamenco guitar and he could easily be the lead guitarist in the band.

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« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2015, 05:32:30 AM »
There's that video on Youtube of him playing flamenco guitar and he could easily be the lead guitarist in the band.

I edited my post while you wrote this :lol

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« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2015, 05:34:20 AM »
:hifive: It's a great video. Kirk looks worried :lol

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« Reply #117 on: January 10, 2015, 05:37:33 AM »
Who put that video up ? a 5 yr old ? :lol those annotations are awful.

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« Reply #118 on: January 10, 2015, 05:51:37 AM »
I think the production and sound of Death Magnetic also hampered it. It just sounds so thin and weak. Lars hitting the drums sounds literally like if I were to bang on some tin lids. It just sounds very thin and hollow, and there's no crunch to the guitars, nothing that's "in your face". It just sounds very bland.

I know some people might say similar things about their classic albums, but those albums are very much a product of their time. It would be interesting if their next album had a really heavy sound to it, instead of paper thin & weak.

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« Reply #119 on: January 10, 2015, 06:23:18 AM »
Their Ronnie Rising medley proves the can still bring the chunk when needed.

The next album needs to sound AT LEAST as good as that.

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« Reply #120 on: January 10, 2015, 11:24:31 AM »
Next album?

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« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2015, 05:13:56 AM »
Well they are in the studio now demoing songs. I do think it will be out before TOOL as well.

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« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2015, 06:57:28 AM »
Reminds me of when Rob said " We have about 5 or 6 songs written and 2011 will be all about the new album "





- which he said in 2010.



Then they promised they'd be working on the new album for " all of 2014 "



- which they then changed to " September 2014 ".


Then whilst promoting Through The Never in September 2013 - Lars repeatedly said " we're going to focus on the new album immediately after this film is released "


They then started it in September 2014 - a year later.


:lol I'll listen to it when it comes out but i'm not really bothered.

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« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2015, 10:36:32 AM »
Their Ronnie Rising medley proves the can still bring the chunk when needed.

The next album needs to sound AT LEAST as good as that.

I finally listened to the Ronnie Rising Medley. I was actually disappointed with it. I'd rather hear them cover a whole song. They were out of Light In The Black way too early, plus Tarot Woman is one of my least favorite Rainbow tracks. The performance was just OK IMO.
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« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2015, 04:57:15 PM »
I enjoy it. The guitar sound is back and James singing is top notch.

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« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2015, 03:24:31 AM »
That link tricked me. I thought they meant the band METALLICA re-recorded St Anger. What should anyone care if someone else re-records it?
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« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2015, 03:29:12 AM »
What should anyone care if someone else re-records it?

Pretty much.  It sounds pretty awesome but I don't get the point of it.

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« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2015, 03:29:34 AM »
No thanks.  St Anger is perfectly fine the way it is.
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« Reply #130 on: January 14, 2015, 03:30:49 AM »
I agree, but Bob Rock should be ashamed knowing a garage-band could do a much better production-job than him.

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« Reply #131 on: January 14, 2015, 03:31:23 AM »
Still not interested.

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« Reply #132 on: January 14, 2015, 03:33:14 AM »
St Anger is perfectly fine the way it is.

said no one ever, amirite?!

Nah jk, really I don't mind St. Anger at all. 

Anyone who can't stand it should really give Some Kind of Monster a watch, it really puts it all in perspective and gives you a better appreciation for the album.  I've read James saying that he considers St. Anger a soundtrack to the movie, which is a good way of thinking about it - if not extremely cop-outey.

I agree, but Bob Rock should be ashamed knowing a garage-band could do a much better production-job than him.

The whole point of the album is to sound 'raw', and 'like a band going into the garage for the first time - only the band is Metallica' (to quote SKOM).  The shit production is pretty much keeping in with the mission statement for the album.

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« Reply #133 on: January 14, 2015, 03:35:49 AM »
Anyone who can't stand it should really give Some Kind of Monster a watch, it really puts it all in perspective and gives you a better appreciation for the album.  I've read James saying that he considers St. Anger a soundtrack to the movie, which is a good way of thinking about it - if not extremely cop-outey.



Some Kind of Monster just made the album even more of a joke to me. That whole period was just sad.
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« Reply #134 on: January 14, 2015, 03:40:13 AM »
I think its such an interesting insight into the headspace that ultimately churned out the album - even though it's pretty sub-par by Metallica standards.  Being able to see firsthand the stories behind the actual songs on the album just makes it all the more fascinating for me, it kinda excuses the fact that the album blows goats compared to their earlier output.

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« Reply #135 on: January 14, 2015, 04:47:59 AM »


I agree, but Bob Rock should be ashamed knowing a garage-band could do a much better production-job than him.

The whole point of the album is to sound 'raw', and 'like a band going into the garage for the first time - only the band is Metallica' (to quote SKOM).  The shit production is pretty much keeping in with the mission statement for the album.

i know that, but it still sounded like shit  :lol

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« Reply #136 on: January 14, 2015, 05:17:17 AM »
The whole point of the album is to sound 'raw', and 'like a band going into the garage for the first time - only the band is Metallica' (to quote SKOM).  The shit production is pretty much keeping in with the mission statement for the album.

"Raw" would imply a lack of production while St. Anger is actually overproduced. It's the very opposite of "raw".
I understand the band's intention, I just think they failed at making a raw album.

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« Reply #137 on: January 14, 2015, 05:32:48 AM »
ROFL this is actually rather enjoyable. I've listened to Frantic and I haven't turned it off, which is already a major improvement over the original. I might actually get this if available to put it in my IPod.

On a similar note, is there any remastering or re-whatever of St. Anger like there is for Death Magnetic? I think I would give a listen or two to a version without the trashcan drums if there is one.

EDIT: uhhhh the singing in St Anger (the song) in this video is rather poor... Frantic was way better.

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« Reply #138 on: January 14, 2015, 05:46:59 AM »
Their version of My World is pretty good.

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« Reply #139 on: January 14, 2015, 06:27:29 AM »
I love the original, so I don't "need" this per se, but it's still an amazing tribute.