DT the League 2015 - Results, Standings and Discussion Thread.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Album Tournament Results
Seeding
1.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Division 1)
2.   The Glass Prison (Division 1)
3.   Blind Faith (Division 1)
4.   Disappear (Division 1)
5.   The Great Debate (Division 1)
6.   Misunderstood(Division 2)



Opening Round (Songs 1-2 have byes)
4. Disappear defeats 5. The Great Debate 19-13
3. Blind Faith defeats 6. Misunderstood 16-15

Semifinals
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 4. Disappear 25-14
2. The Glass Prison defeats 3. Blind Faith 20-18

Championship Match
2. The Glass Prison defeats 1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 18-17




The Glass Prison is the 2015 SDoIT Album Champion!



The Division Tournaments begin tomorrow. The end is near.

[ToT-147]

Yes!.. 

[TheCountOfNYC]

NO!!!! The only surprising result from the album tournaments. Over the past two years the longest songs are now 23-1.

[Evermind]

Nice one DoC!

[RoeDent]

AAH! SO close to being 12-0 for longest songs! (And yes, towards the end I actually wanted that to happen.)

Thanks for running the album tournaments. Very fascinating. Bring on the Division Tournaments!

[Dublagent66]

TGP won on a technicality.  SDOIT is still best song on the album. 

[RoeDent]

Two people on the SDOIT Championship thread said they missed the vote, but would've voted for the title track, so there's that as well.

[Evermind]

Well, in that case, Home won on technicality too, so it's still 11-1 for the longest songs.

[Dublagent66]

Two people on the SDOIT Championship thread said they missed the vote, but would've voted for the title track, so there's that as well.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.

[Train of Naught]

TGP won on a technicality.  SDOIT is still best song on the album. 

Is the best song on the album, based on the opinions of 36 people.

[Train of Naught]

Also, some people, including me, may have voted on a song without considering it the best song on the album, because it had already been eliminated.

[425]

I like how I'm being deputized into the pro SDOIT song argument when I said in my post that SDOIT is my least favorite DT album by a mile.

Not saying I'm not enjoying it Just be careful what you wish for when trying to give credence to my opinion on this album!

[Destiny Of Chaos]

2015 Album Tournament
Seeding (Based on percentage of songs in Division 1)
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2. Images & Words
3. Scenes from a Memory
4. Awake
5. Train of Thought
6. Falling Into Infinity
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events
8. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
9. Systematic Chaos
10. Octavarium
11. Dream Theater
12. When Dream & Day Unite


Opening Round (Albums 1-4 have byes)
9. Systematic Chaos defeats 8.  Black Clouds & Silver Linings
5. Train of Thought defeats 12. When Dream & Day Unite 27-5
11. Dream Theater defeats 6. Falling Into Infinity 20-13
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats 10. Octavarium 19-14

Quarterfinals
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 9. Systematic Chaos 29-3
4. Awake defeats 5. Train of Thought 22-10
3. Scenes From a Memory defeats 11. Dream Theater 28-4
2. Images & Words defeats 7. A Dramatic Turn of Events 25-7

Semifinals
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 4. Awake 20-15 
2. Images & Words defeats 3. Scenes From a Memory 20-15


Championship Match
2. Images & Words defeats 1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 21-15

[bl5150]

Good job DoC.  I&W   

[Destiny Of Chaos]

As a result of the Division 2 & 3 Quarterfinal matches, the Division Promotions have been decided, provide that we continue with this format in 2016:



As I Am, Lost Not Forgotten, The Shattered Fortress & Hollow Years would be promoted to Division 2.

Surrounded, Misunderstood, Endless Sacrifice & Lifting Shadows off a Dream would be promoted to Division 1.



Also, Octavarium, Breaking All Illusions, A Change of Seasons & Learning to Live have made the Final Four of the Division 1 tournament. These are the exact same four songs that made it to the final four of the 2014 Championship Tournament.

Tournament Semifinals begin tomorrow.

[jjrock88]

Good job DoC.  I&W   

[krands85]

Good job DoC.  I&W   

[CharlesPL]

+1 here

[RoeDent]

Maybe looking too far into the future, but I wonder what the chances are of one or more of the newly-promoted songs reaching the Championship Tournament of their new divisions next year, ie. placing in the Top 16. It'd be pretty cool if they did. It'd be even more bizarre if a song achieved successive promotions (from 3 to 2 this year, then 2 to 1 next year).

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Division 3 Championship Tournament


Seeding:
1. As I Am
2. Vacant
3. Honor Thy Father
4. Lost Not Forgotten
5. The Killing Hand
6. The Shattered Fortress
7. Hollow Years
8. The Looking Glass
9. Beneath the Surface
10. Wither
11. New Millennium
12. Ytse Jam
13. Raise the Knife
14. The Silent Man
15. A Fortune in Lies
16. Along For the Ride



Opening Round
1. As I Am defeats 16. Along For the Ride 29-5
9. Beneath the Surface defeats 8. The Looking Glass 19-15
5. The Killing Hand defeats 12. Ytse Jam 20-14
4. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 13. Raise the Knife 21-13
14. The Silent Man defeats 3. Honor Thy Father 20-14
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats 11. New Millennium 25-9
7. Hollow Years defeats 10. Wither 20-14
2. Vacant defeats 15. A Fortune in Lies 21-13

Quarterfinals
1. As I Am defeats 9. Beneath the Surface 21-14
4. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 5. The Killing Hand 21-14
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats 14. The Silent Man 20-15
7. Hollow Years defeats 2. Vacant 19-16

Semifinals    
1. As I Am defeats 4. Lost Not Forgotten 21-14
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats 7. Hollow Years 18-17

3rd Place Match
4. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 7. Hollow Years 19-15

Championship Match
1. As I Am defeats 6. The Shattered Fortress 20-14



As I Am is the 2015 Division 3 Champion!

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Division 2 Championship Tournament

Seeding:
1. Surrounded
2. Misunderstood
3. Endless Sacrifice
4. Strange Déjà vu
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
6. The Root of All Evil
7. The Ministry of Lost Souls
8. These Walls
9. Wait For Sleep
10. Another Day
11. Erotomania
12. 6:00
13. This Dying Soul
14. Surrender to Reason
15. Sacrificed Sons
16. The Dance of Eternity


Opening Round
1. Surrounded defeats 16. The Dance of Eternity 25-12
9. Wait For Sleep defeats 8. These Walls 19-18
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats 12. 6:00 21-16
4. Strange Déjà vu defeats 13. This Dying Soul 26-11
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 14. Surrender to Reason 24-13
6. The Root of All Evil defeats 11. Erotomania 21-16
10. Another Day defeats 7. The Ministry of Lost Souls 19-18
2. Misunderstood defeats 15. Sacrificed Sons 23-13

Quarterfinals
1. Surrounded defeats 9. Wait For Sleep 21-10
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats 4. Strange Déjà vu 16-15
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 6. The Root of All Evil 18-13
2. Misunderstood defeats 10. Another Day 17-14

Semifinals
1. Surrounded defeats 5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 26-8
2. Misunderstood defeats 3. Endless Sacrifice 19-15

3rd Place Match
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 19-13

Championship Match
1. Surrounded defeats 2. Misunderstood 19-14


Surrounded is the 2015 Division 2 Champion!

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Division 1 Championship Tournament


Seeding:
1. Octavarium
2. Breaking All Illusions
3. A Change of Seasons
4. Metropolis
5. Learning to Live
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
7. Voices
8. Take the Time
9. Scarred
10. Home
11. Lines in the Sand
12. Trial of Tears
13. In the Name of God
14. Finally Free
15. The Glass Prison
16. The Spirit Carries On



Opening Round
1. Octavarium defeats 16. The Spirit Carries On 25-5
9. Scarred defeats 8. Take the Time 18-13
5. Learning to Live defeats 12. Trial of Tears 22-9
4. Metropolis defeats 13. In the Name of God 24-7
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 14. Finally Free 23-7
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 11. Lines in the Sand 18-12
7. Voices defeats 10. Home 16-15
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 15. The Glass Prison 23-8

Quarterfinals
1. Octavarium defeats 9. Scarred 25-10
5. Learning to Live defeats 4. Metropolis  19-16
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 20-15
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 7. Voices 27-8

Semifinals
1. Octavarium defeats 5. Learning to Live 21-14
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 3. A Change of Seasons 19-16

3rd Place Match
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 5. Learning to Live 20-19

Championship Match
1. Octavarium defeats 2. Breaking All Illusions 23-16


Octavarium wins the 2015 Division 1 Tournament!


Octavarium has won our league for the second year in a row. On top of that, it went undefeated each of the last two years.

To everyone who participated in any of the over 1000 matches that we had over the past 8 months, thank you! This was a lot of fun.  We'll reconvene in late November to decide on if we'd like to have a 2016 season, and if so, what format it should be, and what to do with potential new music.

[bl5150]

Good work DoC   

[CharlesPL]

DoC thx for the organization !!!

Can't wait for another year

My ranking :

1. LtL
2. ACoS
3. 8V





4.BaI

[Outcrier]

Personally, i would put The Glass Prison in the top 10 instead of Breaking All Illusions.
Also, i would like to see Fatal Tragedy, Beyond This Life and Blind Faith a bit higher but, at least, they're in Division 1 already.

Nonetheless, strong top 16 if you ask me. 

[jingle.boy]

This is a ton of work DoC... good on ya.   

And I can live with these results.

[CharlesPL]

If anyone interested here's our top 16 from Metropolis forum, Round 1/16 now  :>

16. In the Name of God
15. A Change of Seasons


Still in the Game :

- Another Day
- Take the Time
- Surrounded
- Learning to Live
- 6.00
- Eve
- Peruvian Skies
- Trial of Tears (Will be in 1/8 defeat ACoS)
- Home
- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Will be in 1/8 defeat ItNoG)
- Octavarium
- The Count of Tuscany 
- The Looking Glass 
- Illumination Theory

[TheCountOfNYC]

Octavarium deserves to be undefeated two years in a row. It's the textbook definition of masterpiece.

[ToT-147]

Is there any way for these polls to be more popular?.. It's a shame that such an effort done by DoC doesn't get more than 30 voters on average.. 

[RoeDent]

Octavarium, a more than worthy Champion! An incredible song; my favourite album closer by any band. Congrats also to As I Am and Surrounded for winning their divisions as well.

Bravo and thanks DoC! This is quite an undertaking, what with the setting up matches and working out averages and all. I for one hope that we get to do it again next year. The League (and before it the Survivor) is a great annual DTF tradition.

[krands85]

Thanks for all the effort DoC! Great fun voting in these as always 

Octavarium is a worthy winner - magnificent song and my #3 by DT. The other 3 semi finalists are in my top 10 too, so it was a great lineup 

[erwinrafael]

Thanks for this fun tournament, Doc! It was my first rime to participate and I love it!

I hope Breaking All Illusions would have another great run next time. And I also wish the DT12 songs would do better.

Some things to ponder for the next tournament, I guess:

Is there some way to get this linked in the main forum? Polls there get much much more votes.

How will the release date of the next album affect the tournament sched?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Thanks for all the props folks.

Some things to ponder for the next tournament, I guess:

Is there some way to get this linked in the main forum? Polls there get much much more votes.

How will the release date of the next album affect the tournament sched?

I'm not sure if a Moderator can put a link to the league on the main forum. Would be worth looking into. I wouldn't want to spam the heck out of the DT forum with links, or the polls itself. This game, and the survivor before it has been a thing here since 2005, so I'm thinking that most of the old-heads know what the deal is. The challenge would be to get the word out to the newer users without spamming the other forums.

But I will say, I don't actually mind the number of voters that we have. The other Survivor runners would kill to have 30 plus voters in their games.


As for next year, I think keeping it from December-July is the way to go. I don't think that the new songs should be included, as it would be nice to give us a few months to digest them. Perhaps we could do a DT-13 Tournament when we do the other album tournaments, and the results of that tournament could determine which divisions the DT-13 songs would join for the 2017 season.  We'll see. Plenty of time, and plenty of ways to have fun with this.

[Dublagent66]

Good work DoC 

Also, I love how DT12 placed in the album tournament exactly where it is in my ranking.  Same goes for SDOIT. 

[TheCountOfNYC]

Thanks for all the props folks.

Some things to ponder for the next tournament, I guess:

Is there some way to get this linked in the main forum? Polls there get much much more votes.

How will the release date of the next album affect the tournament sched?

As for next year, I think keeping it from December-July is the way to go. I don't think that the new songs should be included, as it would be nice to give us a few months to digest them. Perhaps we could do a DT-13 Tournament when we do the other album tournaments, and the results of that tournament could determine which divisions the DT-13 songs would join for the 2017 season.  We'll see. Plenty of time, and plenty of ways to have fun with this.

I don't think it would be fair to just put the best songs from the new album into division one or the worst songs into division three. Maybe if you do a mini league where you put all of the songs from the new album against two songs from each division as well to see how they do against already established songs as well as against each other.