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DT the League 2015 - Results, Standings and Discussion Thread.
« on: November 02, 2014, 05:55:15 PM »
DT the League 2014 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39921.0
DT the League 2013 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34282.0

I've come up with an interesting twist for the League, assuming that people will like there to be a 2015 season.

Instead of having all of the songs squaring off against one-another, I've come up with the idea of having 3 separate divisions, which will allow the "big boys" to face "the big boys" while the lesser loved songs will face one-another. 

The divisions for 2015 would be based on the 2014 post Album Tournament records. After 2015, the bottom 4 songs of each division would be regulated to the next lowest division, and the top 4 songs of each division (other than Division 1) will be promoted to the next highest division.  The divisions for 2015 would be as follows:

(2014 Post Album Tournament Rank.   Song Title   Record  Winning %)

Division 1
1.   A Change of Seasons 20-0 1.000
2.   Home 23-0  1.000
3.   Octavarium 23-0 1.000
4.   Breaking All Illusions 23-0 1.000
5.   Trial of Tears 23-0 1.000
6.   Lines in the Sand 22-1 .957
7.   Learning to Live 22-1 .957
8.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 21-1 .955
9.   Scarred 21-2 .913 
10.   Voices 21-2 .913
11.   Metropolis 21-2 .913
12.   In the Name of God 20-2 .909
13.   Take the Time 20-2 .909
14.   The Count of Tuscany 20-2 .909
15.   Illumination Theory 19-2-2 .870
16.   Under a Glass Moon 19-3 .864
17.   Blind Faith 18-3-1 .841
18.   Finally Free 19-4 .826
19.   Bridges in the Sky 19-4 .826
20.   The Spirit Carries On 18-4 818 
21.   Fatal Tragedy 18-4 .818
22.   Stream of Consciousness 18-4 .818
23.   Pull Me Under 17-4 .810
24.   In the Presence of Enemies 17-4-1 .795
25.   Overture 1928 16-5, .762
26.   Space-Dye Vest 16-5-1 .750       
27.   Beyond This Life 16-5-1 .750
28.   The Mirror 16-5-1   .750
29.   The Glass Prison 16-5-1 .750
30.   Disappear 16-6 .727
31.   Hell’s Kitchen 16-6 .727
32.   The Great Debate 15-6 .714


Division 2
1.   Endless Sacrifice 16-7 .696
2.   Outcry 15-7 .682
3.   On the Backs of Angels 15-7 .682 
4.   Caught in a Web 15-7 .682   
5.   Surrounded 14-7 .667
6.   Wait For Sleep 13-6-2 .667
7.   6:00 14-7 .667
8.   Lie 13-7-1 .643
9.   Sacrificed Sons 14-8 .636
10.   Strange déjà vu 14-8 .636 
11.   Innocence Faded 13-8 .619
12.   This Dying Soul 13-8-1 .614
13.   Surrender to Reason 14-9 .609
14.   The Root of All Evil 14-9 .609
15.   Erotomania 13-9 .591
16.   These Walls 13-9 .590
17.   Misunderstood 11-9-1 .548
18.   This is the Life 11-9-1 .548
19.   The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-10-1  .543
20.   One Last Time 11-10 .524
21.   The Enemy Inside 11-10-1 .523   
22.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream 11-11 .500
23.   A Nightmare to Remember 10-10-2 .500
24.   Peruvian Skies 11-11 .500
25.   The Dance of Eternity 10-11-1 .477
26.   Behind the Veil 10-11 .476
27.   Another Day 10-11.476
28.   Panic Attack 10-11.476
29.   Afterlife 9-12-1 .432 
30.   The Best of Times 9-12-1 .432
31.   The Bigger Picture 9-12-1 .432
32.   Through Her Eyes 9-12 .429

Division 3
1.   Lost Not Forgotten 8-12-1 .405
2.   The Killing Hand 9-14 .391
3.   Forsaken 8-13-1 .386
4.   Beneath the Surface 7-12-2  .381
5.   Honor Thy Father 7-12-2 .381
6.   The Shattered Fortress 8-14 .364
7.   Eve 7-13 .350
8.   Along for the Ride 7-14 .333
9.   As I Am 7-14 .333
10.   Constant Motion 7-14 .333
11.   Hollow Years 7-14 .333
12.   Wither 7-14 .333
13.   The Dark Eternal Night 6-14-2 .318
14.   Ytse Jam 7-15 .318
15.   A Fortune In Lies 7-16 .304
16.   To Live Forever 6-14 .300
17.   Never  Enough 6-15 .286
18.   The Silent Man 5-14-2 .286
19.   Raise the Knife 5-14-1 .275
20.   Enigma Machine 6-16 .273
21.   The Looking Glass 5-15-1   .262
22.   I Walk Beside You 5-16 .238
23.   Vacant 5-16 .238
24.   New Millennium 5-17 .227
25.   The Answer Lies Within 4-16-1 .214
26.   Just Let Me Breathe 4-17-1 .205
27.   Repentance 4-17 .190
28.   A Rite of Passage 4-17 .190
29.   Far From Heaven 4-18 .182
30.   False Awakening Suite 3-18 .143
31.   Anna Lee 3-19 .136
32.   Only a Matter of Time 2-18-1 .119


The following list of songs won't participate in the 2015 season, but will have a tournament or survivor to determine which four get promoted to Division 3.
Cover My Eyes 2-18 .100
Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-19 .095
Another Won 1-18-1 .075
Speak to Me 1-18-1 .075
Take Away My Pain 1-19-1 .071
Status Seeker 1-20 .048
Light Fuse and Getaway 1-20 .048
Regression 1-20 .048
Don’t Look Past Me 0-19-1 .025
Prophets of War 0-20-1 .024
Burning My Soul 0-21 .000
Raw Dog 0-20 .000
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-21.000
The Way It Used to Be 0-20 .000
You Not Me 0-21 .000
You or Me 0-20 .000


The idea would be for each division to have a 20 Week Regular season. Then we would have the Album Tournaments (which would be the only time that songs would face songs from the other divisions. After this each division will have its own 16 Song Tournament.


Please let me know what you think. Is having a season every year overkill? Do you prefer the old way over the new way? Any questions or suggestions? Feedback is encouraged.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 06:16:25 PM by Destiny Of Chaos »

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Re: DT the League 2015
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 08:44:12 PM »
Sounds like a good idea DoC.  I think it will classify the songs better and produce more balanced results.  Let's give it a whirl.

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Re: DT the League 2015
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 09:12:00 PM »
I like the Division idea. Too many times last year there were like 25-0 scores.

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Re: DT the League 2015
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2014, 02:47:14 AM »
Well well! This time of year already! I love that this happens every year, especially now with the new division idea. At first I thought it would've been nice to crown one "ultimate champion", but I suppose the winner of Division 1 would get that, much like the champions of the Premier League are considered champions of England in football. And it would be nice that lower-ranked songs that normally wouldn't get any honours would get the chance to be named Champion, even of a lower division.

Also, I assume the bottom songs of Division 3 would get relegated to the pile of songs below that don't take part in 2015.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2014, 07:34:21 AM »
Sounds like fun DOC.  I like the new idea.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 10:09:24 AM »
Liking the division idea, although why not just have a division 4? Also I prefer to see songs in pairings like The Mirror/Lie and Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu rather than split up. That being said TDOE and OLT I don't put together because they seem to be the least sensible songs to put into one (I mean a fairly heavy instrumental paired with a softish sing along?).

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 10:14:12 AM »
I'm in! Sounds like a cool idea!

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 10:20:21 AM »
Also I prefer to see songs in pairings like The Mirror/Lie and Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu rather than split up.

Why? They're separate songs that just happen to segue into each other. By this principle, then The Root of All Evil, The Answer Lies Within, These Walls and I Walk Beside You should be counted as one song.

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM »
Also I prefer to see songs in pairings like The Mirror/Lie and Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu rather than split up.

Why? They're separate songs that just happen to segue into each other. By this principle, then The Root of All Evil, The Answer Lies Within, These Walls and I Walk Beside You should be counted as one song.
Agreed, they are separate songs.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 11:11:12 AM »
I see them as one song split into two. After all you pointed out that the music transitions into each other perfectly. With the Octavarium thing, they're not all linked that's just the extra "hidden bits" to do with the concept. Lie as you know came out of The Mirror and the Mirror then reprises at the end so they definitely count as one for me. On scenes Overture 1928 and Strange Deja Vu are classed as one scene so I would say the band wants them to be together. I will even include TDOE and OLT as one if I had to.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 01:25:28 PM »
I don't think divisions are a good idea for a ranking. We're just blurring things. We'd like to compare the top 4 of the second division with the bottom 4 of the first, and this way we can't. One consequence is that next year, if the format is kept, we won't be sure the first division will have the 32 best songs. It may contain some which are the best among the 33-64 best.

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2014, 02:49:59 PM »
I don't think divisions are a good idea for a ranking. We're just blurring things. We'd like to compare the top 4 of the second division with the bottom 4 of the first, and this way we can't. One consequence is that next year, if the format is kept, we won't be sure the first division will have the 32 best songs. It may contain some which are the best among the 33-64 best.

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2014, 07:37:11 PM »
This will begin on Monday, December 15th.

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2014, 04:12:05 AM »
This will begin on Monday, December 15th.
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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One = Dec. 15th
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2014, 05:33:34 PM »
Division 3, Week 1 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42942.0

1.   The Silent Man defeats The Dark Eternal Night 16-11
2.   Constant Motion & I Walk Beside You tie 13-13
3.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats  A Fortune in Lies 18-8
4.   The Shattered Fortress defeats New Millennium 17-11
5.   Honor Thy Father defeats Repentance 20-10
6.   As I Am defeats Vacant 18-12
7.   False Awakening Suite defeats Eve 15-12
8.   Far From Heaven defeats Ytse Jam 14-13
9.   The Looking Glass defeats Forsaken 15-13
10.   Wither defeats Just Let Me Breathe 23-5
11.   Raise the Knife defeats  Never Enough 17-10
12.   The Answer Lies Within defeats Beneath the Surface 13-12
13.   To Live Forever defeats A Rite of Passage 17-9
14.   Along for the Ride defeats Enigma Machine 15-13
15.   Hollow Years defeats Only a Matter of Time 18-8
16.   The Killing Hand defeats Anna Lee 17-9


Division 3 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).


Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1.   Wither 1-0 (+18)
2.   Hollow Years 1-0 (+10)
3.   Honor Thy Father 1-0 (+10)
4.   Lost Not Forgotten 1-0 (+10)

5.   To Live Forever 1-0 (+9)
6.   The Killing Hand 1-0 (+8)
7.   Raise the Knife 1-0 (+7)
8.   As I Am 1-0 (+6)
9.   The Shattered Fortress 1-0 (+6)
10.   The Silent Man 1-0 (+5)
11.   False Awakening Suite 1-0 (+3)
12.   Along for the Ride 1-0 (+2)
13.   The Looking Glass 1-0 (+2)
14.   The Answer Lies Within 1-0 (+1)
15.   Far From Heaven 1-0 (+1)
16.   Constant Motion 0-0-1 (0)
17.   I Walk Beside You 0-0-1 (0)
18.   Beneath the Surface 0-1 (-1)
19.   Ytse Jam 0-1 (-1)
20.   Enigma Machine 0-1 (-2)
21.   Forsaken 0-1 (-2)
22.   Eve 0-1 (-3)
23.   The Dark Eternal Night 0-1 (-5)
24.   New Millennium 0-1 (-6)
25.   Vacant 0-1 (-6)
26.   Never  Enough 0-1 (-7)
27.   Anna Lee 0-1 (-8)
28.   A Rite of Passage 0-1 (-9)
29.   A Fortune In Lies 0-1 (-10)
30.   Only a Matter of Time 0-1 (-10)
31.   Repentance 0-1 (-10)
32.   Just Let Me Breathe 0-1 (-18)


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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One = Dec. 15th
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2014, 05:37:27 PM »
Division 2, Week 1 Results
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42951.0

1.   Peruvian Skies defeats The Dance of Eternity 14-11
2.   Lie defeats Through Her Eyes 20-5
3.   Strange Déjà vu defeats The Best of Times 21-5
4.   Surrounded defeats Wait For Sleep 14-11
5.   Caught in a Web defeats Innocence Faded 17-8
6.   This Dying Soul defeats A Nightmare to Remember 15-11
7.   Another Day defeats The Enemy Inside 15-10
8.   Surrender to Reason defeats Panic Attack 14-11
9.   The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats This is the Life 14-11
10.   Erotomania defeats The Bigger Picture 16-9
11.   Outcry defeats Behind the Veil 14-11
12.   Endless Sacrifice defeats Sacrificed Sons 14-12
13.   Misunderstood defeats Afterlife 21-5
14.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats On the Backs of Angels 13-12
15.   These Walls defeats 6:00 13-12
16.   The Root of All Evil defeats  One Last Time 17-9


Division 2 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).


Division 2 Standings
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1.   Misunderstood 1-0 (+16)
2.   Strange déjà vu 1-0 (+16)
3.   Lie 1-0 (+15)
4.   Caught in a Web 1-0 (+9)

5.   The Root of All Evil 1-0 (+8)
6.   Erotomania 1-0 (+7)
7.   Another Day 1-0 (+5)
8.   This Dying Soul 1-0 (+4)
9.   The Ministry of Lost Souls 1-0 (+3)
10.   Outcry 1-0 (+3)
11.   Peruvian Skies 1-0 (+3)
12.   Surrender to Reason 1-0 (+3)
13.   Surrounded 1-0 (+3)
14.   Endless Sacrifice 1-0 (+2)
15.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream 1-0 (+1)
16.   These Walls 1-0 (+1)
17.   6:00 0-1 (-1)
18.   On the Backs of Angels 0-1 (-1)
19.   Sacrificed Sons 0-1 (-2)
20.   Behind the Veil 0-1 (-3)
21.   The Dance of Eternity 0-1 (-3)
22.   Panic Attack 0-1 (-3)
23.   This is the Life 0-1 (-3)
24.   Wait For Sleep 0-1 (-3)
25.   A Nightmare to Remember 0-1 (-4)
26.   The Enemy Inside 0-1 (-5)
27.   The Bigger Picture 0-1 (-7)
28.   One Last Time 0-1 (-8)
29.   Innocence Faded 0-1 (-9)
30.   Through Her Eyes 0-1 (-15)
31.   Afterlife 0-1 (-16)
32.   The Best of Times 0-1 (-16)



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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One In Progress
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2014, 06:31:44 PM »
I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total  :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!
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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One In Progress
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2014, 08:32:51 PM »
I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total  :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!

That's a very interesting observation. Hopefully people aren't just voting for their favorite 16 songs.

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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One In Progress
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2014, 01:15:19 AM »
Two questions.

1. Is 'season's end' after the 20-week regular season, or the album tournaments?

2. Will the songs that get demoted out of Division 3 be included in the "tournament or survivor to determine which songs get promoted to Division 3"?

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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2014, 03:59:45 AM »
Two questions.

1. Is 'season's end' after the 20-week regular season, or the album tournaments?

2. Will the songs that get demoted out of Division 3 be included in the "tournament or survivor to determine which songs get promoted to Division 3"?

1. Season's end will be after the 20-week regular season. The album tournaments will be just for fun. I'm not going to count them in the W-L records since songs from different divisions will be playing in those tournaments, and they won't be evenly distributed across the albums.


2. I wasn't planning on having the Division 3 demoted songs involved in the promotion tournament, but I will think about it in the coming months.

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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2014, 11:05:38 AM »
I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total  :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!

That's a very interesting observation. Hopefully people aren't just voting for their favorite 16 songs.

It looks like that is what's happening.  Is it possible to vote for both songs in a match up?  I should think the poll wouldn't let you do that.

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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One In Progress
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2014, 11:53:05 AM »
I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total  :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!

That's a very interesting observation. Hopefully people aren't just voting for their favorite 16 songs.

It looks like that is what's happening.  Is it possible to vote for both songs in a match up?  I should think the poll wouldn't let you do that.

The only way to limit voting to one of the two songs in a match is to make a separate poll for each match-up, so 48 threads a week.  There's no way (that I know of) to force users to vote for only one of but not both options of two options of a +2 option poll. 

That last sentence was a doozy.

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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2014, 04:35:05 PM »
Division 1, Week 1 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42958.0

1.   Disappear defeats In the Presence of Enemies 18-14
2.   The Count of Tuscany defeats The Great Debate 17-15
3.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Pull Me Under 25-6
4.   Learning to Live defeats Trial of Tears 20-12
5.   Blind Faith & The Glass Prison tie 16-16
6.   Finally Free defeats In the Name of God 19-13
7.   Home defeats The Mirror 17-15
8.   A Change of Seasons defeats  Fatal Tragedy 23-8
9.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Under a Glass Moon 22-10
10.   Octavarium defeats Hell’s Kitchen 25-8
11.   Stream of Consciousness  defeats Beyond This Life 20-12
12.   Scarred defeats Overture 1928 20-11
13.   Voices defeats Lines in the Sand 17-15
14.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence  defeats Take the Time 19-13
15.   The Spirit Carries On defeats  Bridges in the Sky 18-14
16.   Metropolis defeats Illumination Theory 18-14



Division 1 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).

Division 1 Standings
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)

1.   Breaking All Illusions 1-0 (+19)
2.   Octavarium 1-0 (+17)
3.   A Change of Seasons 1-0 (+15)
4.   Space-Dye Vest 1-0 (+12)
5.   Scarred 1-0 (+9)
6.   Learning to Live 1-0 (+8)
7.   Stream of Consciousness 1-0 (+8)
8.   Finally Free 1-0 (+6)
9.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 1-0 (+6)
10.   Disappear 1-0 (+4)
11.   Metropolis 1-0 (+4)
12.   The Spirit Carries On 1-0 (+4)
13.   The Count of Tuscany 1-0 (+2)
14.   Home 1-0 (+2)
15.   Voices 1-0 (+2)
16.   Blind Faith 0-0-1 (0)
17.   The Glass Prison 0-0-1 (0)
18.   The Great Debate 0-1 (-2)
19.   Lines in the Sand  0-1 (-2)
20.   The Mirror 0-1 (-2)
21.   In the Presence of Enemies 0-1 (-4)
22.   Bridges in the Sky 0-1 (-4)
23.   Illumination Theory 0-1 (-4)
24.   In the Name of God 0-1 (-6)
25.   Take the Time 0-1 (-6)
26.   Beyond This Life 0-1 (-8)
27.   Trial of Tears 0-1 (-8)
28.   Overture 1928  0-1 (-9)
29.   Under a Glass Moon 0-1 (-12)
30.   Fatal Tragedy 0-1 (-15)
31.   Hell’s Kitchen 0-1 (-17)
32.   Pull Me Under 0-1 (-19)



Week 2 begins on Monday. In the meantime... feel free to leave any questions, comments, or observations.

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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One is Done. Week Two Starts on Monday
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2014, 01:41:01 PM »
Great to see BAI at the top of Div 1. :tup

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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One is Done. Week Two Starts on Monday
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2014, 12:32:29 AM »
It's already Monday! :p

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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One is Done. Week Two Starts on Monday
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2014, 05:50:55 AM »
A pleasant surprise to me that Disappear beat an epic. Not my #1 anymore, but still top 5, I believe.

Although The Great Debate falling to The Count was a disappointment for me.

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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One is Done. Week Two Starts on Monday
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2014, 07:38:52 AM »
There are a lot of songs that 'Disappear' should beat, but unfortunately, 'In the Presence of Enemies' ain't one of them.
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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week One is Done. Week Two Starts on Monday
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2014, 08:59:48 AM »
There are a lot of songs that 'Disappear' should beat, but unfortunately, 'In the Presence of Enemies' ain't one of them.
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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week Two in Progress
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2014, 09:21:24 AM »
Division 3, Week 2 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42980.0


1.   The Silent Man defeats  Never Enough 16-11
2.   Wither defeats The Answer Lies Within 14-13
3.   The Looking Glass defeats To Live Forever 14-13
4.   Along For the Ride defeats Far From Heaven 15-11
5.   False Awakening Suite defeats Only a Matter of Time 17-10
6.   As I Am defeats Anna Lee 23-4
7.   Honor Thy Father defeats The Killing Hand 15-12
8.   New Millennium defeats  Hollow Years 14-13
9.   A Fortune in Lies defeats Enigma Machine 14-13
10.   I Walk Beside You defeats A Rite of Passage 18-9
11.   Beneath the Surface defeats The Dark Eternal Night 14-13
12.   Raise the Knife defeats Constant Motion 14-13
13.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Just Let Me Breathe 24-3
14.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Forsaken 18-10
15.   Ytse Jam defeats Repentance 15-13
16.   Vacant defeats Eve 16-11


Division 3 Rankings after Week 2 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).

Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1.   Lost Not Forgotten 2-0 (+31)
2.   As I Am 2-0 (+25)
3.   Wither 2-0 (+19)
4.   The Shattered Fortress 2-0 (+14)

5.   Honor Thy Father 2-0 (+13)
6.   False Awakening Suite 2-0 (+10)
7.   The Silent Man 2-0 (+10)
8.   Raise the Knife 2-0 (+8)
9.   Along for the Ride 2-0 (+6)
10.   The Looking Glass 2-0 (+3)
11.   I Walk Beside You 1-0-1(+9)
12.   Hollow Years 1-1 (+9)
13.   To Live Forever 1-1 (+8)
14.   The Killing Hand 1-1 (+5)
15.   Ytse Jam 1-1 (1)
16.   The Answer Lies Within 1-1 (0)
17.   Beneath the Surface 1-1 (0)
18.   Vacant 1-1 (-1)
19.   Far From Heaven 1-1 (-3)
20.   New Millennium 1-1 (-5)
21.   A Fortune In Lies 1-1 (-9)
22.   Constant Motion 0-1-1 (-1)
23.   Enigma Machine 0-2 (-3)
24.   The Dark Eternal Night 0-2 (-6)
25.   Eve 0-2 (-8)
26.   Forsaken 0-2 (-10)
27.   Never  Enough 0-2 (-12)
28.   Repentance 0-2 (-12)
29.   Only a Matter of Time 0-2 (-17)
30.   A Rite of Passage 0-2 (-18)
31.   Anna Lee 0-2 (-27)
32.   Just Let Me Breathe 0-2 (-39)


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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week Two in Progress
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2014, 02:45:14 PM »
What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
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Re: DT the League 2015 - Week Two in Progress
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2014, 02:51:39 PM »
I love it too, it's just that it has been up against even better songs so far :P
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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.

It maybe would have been a better DT song if it wasn't for the poor production and the vocals which I just don't like. At all. But yeah, one of the best from WDaDU.
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« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2014, 02:14:52 AM »
What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
For me, the music is fantastic, especially the outro section.  But the lyrical arrangement feels like trying to cram 12 minutes worth of lyrics into a six and a half minute song.  It is off-putting.
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« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2014, 02:35:22 AM »
What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
For me, the music is fantastic, especially the outro section.  But the lyrical arrangement feels like trying to cram 12 minutes worth of lyrics into a six and a half minute song.  It is off-putting.

I'm a fan but I agree with Hef as far as his stance on both the musical arrangement and vocal arrangement.  There are definitely better choices on WDADU. The Killing Hand is one example.