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Re: Haken v. Affinity, like Baconinity
« Reply #2660 on: August 07, 2018, 11:12:07 AM »
I find it remarkable that, at least as far as studio albums (and thus wider recognition) goes, Haken are entirely a product of this decade. Aquarius, their first album, came out in 2010. Now 8 years later, the arrival of album number 5 is on horizon, and it feels like a significant release in the progressive music world for this year, with plenty of anticipation for it, as this thread is currently demonstrating. Haken are certainly a contender to be among the defining prog bands of this decade, the way that Porcupine Tree defined the first decade of this 21st century.

As good a decade as Haken as had, I can't put them ahead of solo Steven Wilson, Devin Townsend or Neal Morse.

While I might agree with this, those guys have had years of experience making music BEFORE 2010 (with plenty of other groups, especially in the case of SW and NM), while Haken have only been around in THIS decade alone. Given that, they've put out a lot of quality stuff in such a short time. When they reach 20-25 years of making music, then you can probably compare them to where SW and NM are now.

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Re: Haken v. Affinity, like Baconinity
« Reply #2661 on: August 07, 2018, 02:45:43 PM »
I find it remarkable that, at least as far as studio albums (and thus wider recognition) goes, Haken are entirely a product of this decade. Aquarius, their first album, came out in 2010. Now 8 years later, the arrival of album number 5 is on horizon, and it feels like a significant release in the progressive music world for this year, with plenty of anticipation for it, as this thread is currently demonstrating. Haken are certainly a contender to be among the defining prog bands of this decade, the way that Porcupine Tree defined the first decade of this 21st century.

As good a decade as Haken as had, I can't put them ahead of solo Steven Wilson, Devin Townsend or Neal Morse.

Well, that's just a matter of taste and they've been doing it longer.  But everyone knows that you turned your back on Affinity and now it's turned to toxicity despite all the baconinity.
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Re: Haken v. Affinity, like Baconinity
« Reply #2662 on: August 07, 2018, 02:52:06 PM »
Yea, sure Wilson, Townsend, and Morse are more successful, they've also been around for much long and with experience with other bands as well.  Hard to really compare them to Haken when only looking at the last 10 years.

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« Reply #2663 on: August 07, 2018, 06:39:41 PM »
Okay, but in the context of the post I was quoting, that basically gave PT the nod for the 00's even though they had been around since 1990, I thought what I said made sense.

  But everyone knows that you turned your back on Affinity and now it's turned to toxicity despite all the baconinity.
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Re: Haken v. Affinity, like Baconinity
« Reply #2664 on: August 08, 2018, 03:42:05 AM »
I find it remarkable that, at least as far as studio albums (and thus wider recognition) goes, Haken are entirely a product of this decade. Aquarius, their first album, came out in 2010. Now 8 years later, the arrival of album number 5 is on horizon, and it feels like a significant release in the progressive music world for this year, with plenty of anticipation for it, as this thread is currently demonstrating. Haken are certainly a contender to be among the defining prog bands of this decade, the way that Porcupine Tree defined the first decade of this 21st century.

Mike Portnoy could not have said it better.

MP would have thrown in something like "so proud of my boys" or something else that sounds like he thinks he's their mentor or they're some kind of students of his.

My first thought of MPs Vector post the other day was "man the dudes from Haken must be pissed that he's spoiling stuff and reveals information about the album before the band themselves did". Plus, he still managed to make the post about himself by mentioning Opus Maximus and advertising his own band. Man I don't know why he always has to do things like that.

That being said, I totally agree with Roe. Regarding quality, Haken are already among the greats like Steven, Neal or even Dream Theater for me.

Concerning the setlist: I remember talking to Richard about Earthlings right after the EP came out. He said that the band thought it wouldn't work so well in a live concert. I personally agree. And I feel similar about Bound By Gravity.
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« Reply #2665 on: August 08, 2018, 04:45:29 AM »
I believe he got the ok from Charlie to post about the album.   I read that somewhere.
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« Reply #2666 on: August 08, 2018, 04:51:47 AM »
I believe he got the ok from Charlie to post about the album.   I read that somewhere.

Yeah, ariich asked him on Twitter.
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« Reply #2667 on: August 08, 2018, 05:24:55 AM »
That's right.  Man, is it bad I already forgot that? Lol
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« Reply #2668 on: August 08, 2018, 08:41:41 AM »
For those of us who don't "tweet" , what did Portnoy say?

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« Reply #2669 on: August 08, 2018, 09:22:40 AM »
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« Reply #2670 on: August 08, 2018, 08:34:00 PM »
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« Reply #2671 on: August 09, 2018, 02:31:51 AM »
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« Reply #2672 on: August 09, 2018, 06:10:58 AM »
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« Reply #2673 on: August 09, 2018, 07:04:32 PM »


Concerning the setlist: I remember talking to Richard about Earthlings right after the EP came out. He said that the band thought it wouldn't work so well in a live concert. I personally agree. And I feel similar about Bound By Gravity.

I don't agree at all.  Not every song has to rock live, and I think throwing in a few songs that bring it down a few notches for the whole song is always cool.  I know they have plenty of songs that go back and forth between rocking and mellow, but I don't see how songs like that wouldn't work.

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« Reply #2674 on: August 10, 2018, 07:14:30 AM »
That's disappointing to hear that he said that about Earthlings, it's actually one of my favorite Haken songs. I don't agree either that it wouldn't work well live.

I did get tickets to see them in NYC in November, I'm stoked that it's on a weekend again like last year in NYC. They've made my short list of bands that I make every effort not to miss when they're local.

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« Reply #2675 on: August 10, 2018, 08:01:59 AM »
It was directly after Restoration was released, so 4 years ago, maybe they have changed their minds by now... I don't wanna kill you guys' hopes and dreams  :D
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« Reply #2676 on: August 10, 2018, 09:00:56 AM »
It was directly after Restoration was released, so 4 years ago, maybe they have changed their minds by now... I don't wanna kill you guys' hopes and dreams  :D

No, in a conversation with Hen more recently I was given the same impression. Not that it means it won't get played, but I doubt they are in any rush to dig it out.
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« Reply #2677 on: August 10, 2018, 10:36:50 AM »
Also, on FB there were questions about set times on the upcoming tour and Haken's manager liked my comment saying I'd bet on equal 90 minute sets. So while that's not exactly official, it's certainly what I'd go by.
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Re: Haken v. Affinity, like Baconinity
« Reply #2678 on: August 10, 2018, 10:41:03 AM »
It's a co-headline tour by two bands of roughly equal popularity. I would find it strange if one would get (much) more play-time than the other.
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« Reply #2679 on: August 10, 2018, 10:49:37 AM »
It's a co-headline tour by two bands of roughly equal popularity. I would find it strange if one would get (much) more play-time than the other.

As would I, this was more a confirmation that the equal time is likely 90 minutes.
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« Reply #2680 on: August 10, 2018, 11:58:28 AM »
It's a co-headline tour by two bands of roughly equal popularity. I would find it strange if one would get (much) more play-time than the other.

As would I, this was more a confirmation that the equal time is likely 90 minutes.

If the set list is fairly even, hopefully Leprous will play a song or two from TPS or Bilateral.  Not really counting on it though.
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« Reply #2681 on: August 10, 2018, 07:12:24 PM »
Even though I like The Architect a lot, even if Haken is only getting 90 minutes, I'd rather they not dedicate 15-16 minutes to it, but I have a feeling they will, simply so Einar Solberg can come out and do the harsh vocals like he did on the studio version.

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« Reply #2682 on: August 10, 2018, 07:44:36 PM »
Even though I like The Architect a lot, even if Haken is only getting 90 minutes, I'd rather they not dedicate 15-16 minutes to it, but I have a feeling they will, simply so Einar Solberg can come out and do the harsh vocals like he did on the studio version.

I've been pondering that, and it presents an interesting dilemma. I'm sure they'd like to do it, but The Architect isn't an early in the set kinda song, but you're certainly not going to make Einar sit around while Haken sets up and be ready an hour later every night, not fair to him. So I can honestly see them skipping the song just so they don't have to try to impose on him on a nightly basis.
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« Reply #2683 on: August 10, 2018, 07:47:08 PM »
And with the new songs slightly long, they will take up the time making the older, shorter songs ideal.
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« Reply #2684 on: August 10, 2018, 08:21:59 PM »
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« Reply #2685 on: August 11, 2018, 02:07:03 AM »
He did come out a couple of times the last time Haken & Leprous toured, right? I’m pretty sure I saw footage of Einar doing the harsh vocals once.

In Romania two weeks ago Einar did it and it was amazing :biggrin:
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« Reply #2686 on: August 12, 2018, 04:33:11 PM »
Even though I like The Architect a lot, even if Haken is only getting 90 minutes, I'd rather they not dedicate 15-16 minutes to it, but I have a feeling they will, simply so Einar Solberg can come out and do the harsh vocals like he did on the studio version.

I've been pondering that, and it presents an interesting dilemma. I'm sure they'd like to do it, but The Architect isn't an early in the set kinda song, but you're certainly not going to make Einar sit around while Haken sets up and be ready an hour later every night, not fair to him. So I can honestly see them skipping the song just so they don't have to try to impose on him on a nightly basis.

Bands regularly have a singer from an opening act come out later during the headliner.  It's not uncommon although I've always wondered what the dynamic is for the singer to kind of come down from their show then get back up to come out for a song.  I'd rather see them not play it though, on a shorter set list, I'd rather see the 15 minutes spent somewhere else.

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« Reply #2687 on: August 12, 2018, 07:53:11 PM »
He did come out a couple of times the last time Haken & Leprous toured, right? I’m pretty sure I saw footage of Einar doing the harsh vocals once.

In Romania two weeks ago Einar did it and it was amazing :biggrin:

Yes, I believe he did, but those were a handful of dates and a one off, not a month long tour. Not saying it won't happen, it very well may, but it just seems like a lot of constraint on Einar for 10 seconds of stage time.
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« Reply #2688 on: August 13, 2018, 01:15:40 PM »
Finally grabbed my tix for the St. Louis show  :metal     Like Kev mentioned.....it's a General Admission so gonna make sure to get there early to snag a good spot
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Re: Haken v. Affinity, like Baconinity
« Reply #2689 on: August 14, 2018, 05:33:10 AM »
"Vector, like Baconector"?

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« Reply #2690 on: August 14, 2018, 05:40:35 AM »
Haken v.

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« Reply #2691 on: August 14, 2018, 06:10:03 AM »
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« Reply #2692 on: August 14, 2018, 06:47:47 AM »
Finally grabbed my tix for the St. Louis show  :metal     Like Kev mentioned.....it's a General Admission so gonna make sure to get there early to snag a good spot

For the NYC show, it's GA, but there is VIP seating (and a minimum tab).  I had never been to that venue before seeing Haken there last year, but while the VIP seating didn't seem to be a better seat (it's along the perimeter of the floor of the venue) I do recall seeing people standing on the seats (which would then give the best view).  Hoping to be able to do that for this show.

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« Reply #2693 on: August 14, 2018, 08:07:51 AM »
I know most here won't get it, but I'd love something like Haken v. Secure your home.
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« Reply #2694 on: August 14, 2018, 08:40:11 AM »
Haken v. like the number