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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #315 on: January 04, 2016, 09:00:14 AM »
I should add that my total drive storage excluding two SSDs (Main 480GB, 2nd 256GB) was 13 TB before the 5 TB failed. I'm thinking of  re-configuring my data storage in a few way mainly because I do so many things on my desktop.

1, Store, organize and edit family photos and videos.
2, Store and play Movie and TV shows bluray rips for local and Plex playback.
3, Play the occasional game (need to backup STEAM and ORIGIN games)
4, Setup and play around with VMs (Usually do it on the 2nd SSD)

I'm thinking of using local storage and NAS for 1, NAS only for 2&3. I've had the idea to build a NAS using a Rasberry Pi, and might go that route.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #316 on: January 04, 2016, 09:29:23 AM »
Why do you need to back up games?
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #317 on: January 04, 2016, 09:44:23 AM »
Holy cow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI

Didn't even know there were mobos with 7 PCI slots or even ram sticks with 32gb each....
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #318 on: January 04, 2016, 09:51:06 AM »
Quote from: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 09:29:23 AM
Why do you need to back up games?

I typically install games on the SSD but they quickly take up space as some of the newer games take like 30 GB for a single installation. So I tend to backup ones that I don't play and just reinstall it which takes a few minutes as opposed to downloading the entire game again which could take hours.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #319 on: January 04, 2016, 09:54:28 AM »
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 04, 2016, 09:44:23 AM
Holy cow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI

Didn't even know there were mobos with 7 PCI slots or even ram sticks with 32gb each....

Looks more like a server mobo.  Definitely seen those at work, but never like that in a home PC build.

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Why do you need to back up games?

I typically install games on the SSD but they quickly take up space as some of the newer games take like 30 GB for a single installation. So I tend to backup ones that I don't play and just reinstall it which takes a few minutes as opposed to downloading the entire game again which could take hours.

Makes sense if you got the space to back up games (like you seem to have).  I do the same, put the games I play on my SSD and rotate on/off but do the full install each time. 
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #320 on: January 04, 2016, 10:15:45 AM »
Just ordered a pair of 3TB WB red drives for total of $175. I think I'll avoid larger drives for now and may just set this up with a rasberry pi.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #321 on: January 04, 2016, 10:18:38 AM »
Quote from: faizoff on January 04, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
Just ordered a pair of 3TB WB red drives for total of $175. I think I'll avoid larger drives for now and may just set this up with a rasberry pi.

Same drive I just got, except it cost me $155 for one of them here. :lol
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« Reply #322 on: January 17, 2016, 07:53:55 PM »
This is pretty much the build I'm settling in for my NAS as of now. I'll be putting in FreeNAS on it maybe on a small usb drive. These prices are reflective of what I paid though, I paid a lot lot lesser and i think it's closer to $450 for those parts listed as I'm reusing the 8GB of RAM. No need of a monitor, keyboard, mouse, optical drive. I'll be remoting into to to administer after installation. Parts should arrive during the next week and I should hopefully build it all by next weekend. Can't wait to build my first NAS!
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #323 on: January 17, 2016, 10:26:10 PM »
Ah crap forgot to include the pcpartpicker link
https://pcpartpicker.com/p/GWgm6h
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #324 on: January 17, 2016, 10:40:00 PM »
Nice. So what's the RAID config going to be?
I've never used the WD blues. I'm currently using reds as my backups, which are basically the blues but actually designed for NAS setups and with a longer warranty. All of my internal drives are still the blacks, which are faster, but pretty noisy and run hotter as a result.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #325 on: January 18, 2016, 01:01:29 AM »
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 04, 2016, 09:44:23 AM
Holy cow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI

Didn't even know there were mobos with 7 PCI slots or even ram sticks with 32gb each....

That is so fucking sexy, and I'm not even a gamer.   :o

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« Reply #326 on: January 18, 2016, 05:49:30 AM »
It's going to be a Raid 5. I'm also in two minds whether to put freeNAS or Windows server as the OS.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #327 on: January 18, 2016, 07:43:55 AM »
Quote from: faizoff on January 18, 2016, 05:49:30 AM
It's going to be a Raid 5. I'm also in two minds whether to put freeNAS or Windows server as the OS.

So you are mixing the blue and red drives in your RAID then.  I'd bet that is not recommended, but will work.  Is there a reason you are doing it this way?

We just decommissioned about 8 Dell R710 servers at work and we own them and want to dispose so I have been given permission to take one.  They were from a company we bought out, a couple had WD Green 2TB drives (drives I use on my home PC).  I'm debating about taking the server or not because it's a bit larger than I would like, but it does have 6 hard drive slots and using those green 2TB drives mixed with the 4 I have at home, could make for a sick NAS box.  Just not sure I want to be paying for the power of this beast.
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« Reply #328 on: January 18, 2016, 07:53:11 AM »
Yea I know it's not recommended to mix different types of drives but I don't know when a sale will show up for the Reds again. My biggest mistake was not buying 4 outright the first time. At that time I wasn't sure I wanted to do a Raid 5. But right now without any discount the reds go for $110 each, I got mine for much lesser than that (~$85). So while it's not ideal to mix and match I am keeping them the same capacity and I believe they're the same spindle speed as well just different firmwares.
I think it should be ok as long as they're the same capacities. Fingers crossed. Ideally I would like to put windows server on it but then that's another cost I don't want to have to make.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #329 on: January 18, 2016, 08:12:29 AM »
Quote from: faizoff on January 18, 2016, 07:53:11 AM
Yea I know it's not recommended to mix different types of drives but I don't know when a sale will show up for the Reds again. My biggest mistake was not buying 4 outright the first time. At that time I wasn't sure I wanted to do a Raid 5. But right now without any discount the reds go for $110 each, I got mine for much lesser than that (~$85). So while it's not ideal to mix and match I am keeping them the same capacity and I believe they're the same spindle speed as well just different firmwares.
I think it should be ok as long as they're the same capacities. Fingers crossed. Ideally I would like to put windows server on it but then that's another cost I don't want to have to make.

Cool, money is a good enough reason, just was wondering if there was something I didn't know about the way you were setting it up.  Good luck, that sounds fun to do the build. I'll be waiting for an update on how it has worked out and when I can drop some porn onto your NAS  :biggrin:
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« Reply #330 on: January 18, 2016, 09:05:21 AM »
 Sure thing :tup
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« Reply #331 on: January 18, 2016, 08:53:53 PM »
And FYI I used this blog as a guide for a NAS build, it's very thorough and gives great detail on build choices and best approaches for a DIY NAS.
https://blog.brianmoses.net/2015/05/diy-nas-econonas-2015.html
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« Reply #332 on: January 31, 2016, 04:24:06 PM »
So after setting up my NAS in a raid 5, I've been going back and forth on what operating system to use. I installed the Tech preview 4 of server 2016 and it's pretty good and is making me consider sticking with a windows server edition. I did try FreeNAS and while it's good, I think I'm in need of something that allows me to do more. But before I decide to settle on a operating system for this new machine, I need to resolve a smaller problem setting up the network.

In my house the internet cable and main modem/router are in a room quite a distance away and there isn't anyway I can install a ethernet cables from that router to my lan ports on both computers. So I bought a cheap Dlink router to setup a lan only network between my NAS and main desktop which will reside in the same room. So my main desktop currently connects to the internet via a usb wifi adapter and will continue to get the internet through that, while I have an ethernet cable connected from the destkop to the NAS via the DLink router.

Simple as the setup sounds I'm unable to make the internet work on my desktop via the wifi AND have the lan port enabled to the other router. I'm not sure what is going on that is preventing my wifi adapter from connecting to the main house wifi while being hooked to a LAN with another router.  The wifi network shows that it's connected yet only disabling the lan chipset will make the internet connect.

I made a diagram of my network setup if it helps to understand my setup.

If anyone has a solution to this issue I'd appreciate it.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #333 on: January 31, 2016, 04:35:07 PM »
Well it seems like you want your desktop connected to two different networks. One is your local LAN between the desktop itself and the NAS. The second network is the WiFi network, giving you access to the Internet. The problem is you can't do that with a desktop computer unless you have the proper hardware installed. You are attempting to connect to two different networks, so that means your desktop computer needs to have two separate IP addresses to do that.
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« Reply #334 on: January 31, 2016, 06:48:36 PM »
What hardware needs to be installed then?
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« Reply #335 on: January 31, 2016, 07:04:00 PM »
I'm assuming you're using Windows. If you go into the folder with the network connections, have you tried configuring an IP address for both the WiFi network and Ethernet network? They should each be on a different network. For example.

Your local LAN with the NAS
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Router/Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
Desktop: 192.168.0.2
NAS: 192.168.0.3

Your Internet connected network
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Router/Default Gateway: 192.168.1.1
Desktop (via wifi): 192.168.1.2

Your desktop will have an IP address in each network, via two different interfaces.
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« Reply #336 on: January 31, 2016, 07:25:12 PM »
I just tried this but still have the same issue. I manually entered the network configuration for the wifi network and let the ip be automatically chosen for the lan. It showed I was on different networks and addresses yet same issue.
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« Reply #337 on: January 31, 2016, 07:27:55 PM »
What are the current IP addresses for both interfaces? Do you know how to run the ipconfig/all command from the Windows command line?
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« Reply #338 on: January 31, 2016, 07:35:27 PM »
Nevermind, I'm an idiot. I made a typo when entering the addresses manually. It's looks to be working. Thanks! And now for whatever reason the windows server 2016 OS on the NAS wont turn on network sharing in the network settings. I can see and access the shared driver from my deskop on the NAS but not the other way round.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #339 on: January 31, 2016, 07:42:16 PM »
Unfortunately I'm not well versed in Windows Server.
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« Reply #340 on: February 03, 2016, 11:27:31 AM »
I managed to setup server 2012 to allow bidirectional sharing and mapping of drives, unfortunately the cheap router I picked had 10/100 Mbps LAN ports and not gigabit ones. I'm returning it for another one that has gigabit ports. Hopefully once that comes I'll be done with my setup.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #341 on: March 12, 2016, 03:38:12 PM »
I have since I signed up for Win 10 got a request from Microsoft to install the new OS pretty much every time I boot up my PC, that in itself is annoying but today they went even further. My PC rebooted today without ANY warning and started to force install Win 10. Here's the update history and on the top it says "Uppgraderar till Windows 10 Home" which translates to "Updates to Windows 10 Home" and also "Misslyckades" which means "Failed" because I turned my PC off as soon as it tried to install it. I then booted up to the desktop. Seriously, I feel that's pretty weird for them to just force you to use Win 10. Sure I signed up but still am I not allowed to choose when to install it???


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« Reply #342 on: March 12, 2016, 03:52:36 PM »
That hasn't happened to me yet, but there is a "Get Windows 10" icon in my system tray.  Your post had me change the status to "only show notifications" just to make it harder to accidentally upgrade to Win10.

I'd probably enjoy Win10, but nothing is worse than realizing one of your expensive programs no longer works correctly under a new OS version.  This all boils down to "if it ain't broke".
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« Reply #343 on: March 12, 2016, 04:18:54 PM »
I would just to get away from Windows 8. :lol
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« Reply #344 on: March 12, 2016, 09:16:44 PM »
I have automatic updates disabled, so no notifications on my Windows 8 laptop. As much as I'd like to get away from 8, I don't want to deal with the hassle. They really should have taken that "if it ain't broke" approach when making Windows 8. :lol
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« Reply #345 on: March 12, 2016, 09:51:26 PM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 12, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
I have automatic updates disabled
Me too.  Nothing is better than getting notifications that you have automatic updates disabled.   :police:

What is bad is helping others and trying to explain how this is a good option, but it means you should pay attention to high priority updates and how to research the kb# for an understanding of what is happening.

I know plenty of tech illiterate people that I laugh at the commercial with the grandparents handing over their tech goodies to their visiting grandkids saying "hey so glad to see you.  None of this works."

But now we are getting into the "things that piss me off thread.
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« Reply #346 on: March 12, 2016, 10:36:44 PM »
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2016, 03:38:12 PM
I have since I signed up for Win 10 got a request from Microsoft to install the new OS pretty much every time I boot up my PC, that in itself is annoying but today they went even further. My PC rebooted today without ANY warning and started to force install Win 10. Here's the update history and on the top it says "Uppgraderar till Windows 10 Home" which translates to "Updates to Windows 10 Home" and also "Misslyckades" which means "Failed" because I turned my PC off as soon as it tried to install it. I then booted up to the desktop. Seriously, I feel that's pretty weird for them to just force you to use Win 10. Sure I signed up but still am I not allowed to choose when to install it???



Didn't I post a link a couple of months ago that permanently disabled those notifications? And I know it works because I've done it on a number of computers.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #347 on: March 13, 2016, 04:59:13 AM »
Quote from: Prog Snob on March 12, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2016, 03:38:12 PM
I have since I signed up for Win 10 got a request from Microsoft to install the new OS pretty much every time I boot up my PC, that in itself is annoying but today they went even further. My PC rebooted today without ANY warning and started to force install Win 10. Here's the update history and on the top it says "Uppgraderar till Windows 10 Home" which translates to "Updates to Windows 10 Home" and also "Misslyckades" which means "Failed" because I turned my PC off as soon as it tried to install it. I then booted up to the desktop. Seriously, I feel that's pretty weird for them to just force you to use Win 10. Sure I signed up but still am I not allowed to choose when to install it???



Didn't I post a link a couple of months ago that permanently disabled those notifications? And I know it works because I've done it on a number of computers.
Yea that may be true. Anyway I just turned off automatic updates in this case, one would think that would not include force installation of a new OS though.
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Re: The PC thread
« Reply #348 on: March 13, 2016, 05:49:28 PM »
I keep telling myself to take the time now to upgrade because it seems to work and it's been out awhile now so that's why I haven't disabled the notifications.... but I keep chugging along on 7. 

My best friend just told me he wants to throw down the money for me to build him a dual monitor computer for 800-1k  :metal :metal project accepted
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« Reply #349 on: March 13, 2016, 06:19:43 PM »
Quote from: cramx3 on March 13, 2016, 05:49:28 PM
My best friend just told me he wants to throw down the money for me to build him a dual monitor computer for 800-1k  :metal :metal project accepted

I stopped doing that except for business related computers.  Instead, I usually take 30 minutes to 60 minutes to show them how to research and complete the build on their own.  It will be more rewarding in the end.  Not just the "I did it", but being able to troubleshoot on their own because they built it themselves.  If they hit a roadblock, they can ask for help.  But they have to at least made the effort to troubleshoot first.

Not even computer related:  Listened to somebody complain about something house related for almost a year now.  I finally got so tired of hearing it that I:
1- took a pic of the product make and model
2- googled the manual
3- CTRL F'd the specific problem of the pdf file
4- took the steps
5- told them it was fixed.

And I get the "well, you are so good at that."  Reading a manual?  That's not a skill.  It's just a minimal effort.
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