The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!

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BlobVanDam

Quote from: bl5150 on January 23, 2017, 08:55:29 PM
Yep - full of shit a lot of the time  :lol    Having said that I don't have any trouble believing that ALAC could be inferior to FLAC.   "Lossless is lossless" is like saying "a photocopy is a photocopy" .........the machinery (or in this case the FLAC codec vs ALAC codec) can make a difference.


A photocopy is analog, but a digitally lossless file is precisely that, so they are all equal in terms of quality. You could convert from one lossless format to another lossless format all day long, and never lose any quality.

That said, I'd still trust FLAC over anything from Apple. :biggrin: But as you said, not really worth worrying about. The bigger difference will be in the playback software/hardware, rather than the file format.

bl5150

How did I know that you would use technical jargon to destroy my analogy ?  :lol   I understand that they are different but my point stands - just because two codecs/copiers exist that claim to produce lossless/fine copies doesn't mean that they are both as effective as each other in all respects.   Many of these audiophile types believe (or did at some point in time)  that ALAC codec is inferior to FLAC.   I really don't care but I don't believe it's necessarily as simple as "if they say it's lossless it's lossless".   And yeah - I don't trust Apple either  ;)

We both agree that it's not worth worrying about - all I was saying is that until I see/hear proof of the codecs' equivalence I don't have any reason to believe Apple over the rogue audiophiles  :)   

You would hope that Apple wouldn't be dumb enough to produce a lossless codec that spits out stuff that isn't "bit for bit" equivalent to FLAC................maybe my memory of these arguments goes back to an early iteration of ALAC when there were some issues.

Anyway...............why are we talking about this shit? :lol

BlobVanDam

Well I'm a nerd with nothing better to do. What's your excuse? :lol

What they might mean in ALAC vs FLAC is the file size. Lossless formats like that still compress the file size so that it isn't as big, but it doesn't lose any quality in the process unlike MP3. Maybe FLAC produces smaller file sizes than ALAC. So ALAC may be inferior in that way, despite the audio quality being identical.
The quality will theoretically beat any MP3 regardless, so yeah.

jjrock88


Samsara


wolfking

I don't know why I even asked.  I don't even know what FLAC and ALAC means? :P

wolfking


Bolsters

Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
What they might mean in ALAC vs FLAC is the file size. Lossless formats like that still compress the file size so that it isn't as big, but it doesn't lose any quality in the process unlike MP3. Maybe FLAC produces smaller file sizes than ALAC. So ALAC may be inferior in that way, despite the audio quality being identical.
I just converted a couple of FLAC files to ALAC. The comparison is 34.4MB to 35MB, and 19.3MB to 19.7MB. So yeah, it does appear to be slightly less efficient data compression.

So as to not be off topic: :2metal: :neverusethis:
Bolsters™

jjrock88

Quote from: Bolsters on January 24, 2017, 04:14:14 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
What they might mean in ALAC vs FLAC is the file size. Lossless formats like that still compress the file size so that it isn't as big, but it doesn't lose any quality in the process unlike MP3. Maybe FLAC produces smaller file sizes than ALAC. So ALAC may be inferior in that way, despite the audio quality being identical.
I just converted a couple of FLAC files to ALAC. The comparison is 34.4MB to 35MB, and 19.3MB to 19.7MB. So yeah, it does appear to be slightly less efficient data compression.

So as to not be off topic: :2metal: :neverusethis:

Enough with this stuff, lets get back to the rock!!

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

wolfking


TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

Samsara


Big Hath


bl5150


TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

jjrock88


jjrock88

And I'll hire Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds to clean up this thread if need be lol


TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

BlobVanDam


bl5150

You requested my opinion on the new Firewind Kade............My first listen was very stop/start so I just gave it a proper "one sitting" second listen and it connected much more the second time around.   I have never been a big Firewind fan and , as you may remember , I rated Gus G's solo work much lower than you did.   His songwriting has never impressed me.  So I am a bit surprised to say that this is a very good album - by far the best thing I have heard from him.

Henning Basse does a fine job , sounding more than a bit like Rob Rock at times.   Gus G shreds a bit but plays very tastefully - his tone is reminiscent of prime TMac at times.

There's a number of very strong tracks (nothing mindblowing or original but plenty to like) and nothing sucks , which are the key ingredients for a good rating from me.   Only 10 tracks +1 bonus is nice too.......the filler really can be a killer these days.

My rating : 87%

jjrock88

I don't know much about Firewind, but you piqued my interest when you mentioned that Basse sounded like Rob Rock. Checked out Hands of Time and there definitely is a Rob Rock singing vibe. Good tune!

Lowdz


wolfking

Fucking nice Brent.  Gonna try and get my hands on it this weekend.  Comparing Gus to TMac is fair enough, he's a stellar guitarist.


Lowdz


BlobVanDam

Didn't sound bad, but it sounds like every other Frontiers metal album, and the vocals let it down a bit. Musically it wasn't bad though, and the production is really good for a Frontiers album. Not one I'm personally interested in.

Samsara

Just got done listening to the new firewind for the first time. Very good record. Basse isnt Apollo, but hes much better than the guy that first took over for Apollo (was it kelly sundown?)

Album and vocals are solid top to bottom. If you are a firewind fan, it delivers for sure.  :tup

jjrock88

That PV was ok, better than the first single. But really not feeling anything I'm hearing from this album and definitely wouldn't be picking it up

Kiske has clearly taken care of his voice over the years as he still sounds strong vocally.

TAC

Well, I'll be getting it. Love Kiske, and the music is jusk ok enough to get by.

The beginning to Herafter reminded me a bit of UFO's WE Belong To The Night.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

wolfking


gazinwales

Firewind, nothing has ever done anything for me with them.
I've tried a few albums and to be brutally honest, I really think that they are  lower second tier band.
Solid, unspectacular and nothing at all that sets them apart from the umpteen other power metal bands doing the same thing.

wolfking

Quote from: gazinwales on January 26, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
Firewind, nothing has ever done anything for me with them.
I've tried a few albums and to be brutally honest, I really think that they are  lower second tier band.
Solid, unspectacular and nothing at all that sets them apart from the umpteen other power metal bands doing the same thing.

Funny it seems like they are definitely one of those bands that some like myself really rate them or they just totally miss the mark.

Lowdz

Quote from: wolfking on January 26, 2017, 02:48:52 AM
Quote from: gazinwales on January 26, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
Firewind, nothing has ever done anything for me with them.
I've tried a few albums and to be brutally honest, I really think that they are  lower second tier band.
Solid, unspectacular and nothing at all that sets them apart from the umpteen other power metal bands doing the same thing.

Funny it seems like they are definitely one of those bands that some like myself really rate them or they just totally miss the mark.

Like Hammerfall. Started to play the latest one earlier and enjoyed the first track but I got about a mi ute into the  second and had to turn it off. That church hymn style chanting just makes me cringe. Played Herman Frank after it and that was much better

jjrock88

Just playing Halfords Live Insurrection cd.

This is a live album that doesn't get much attention, but IMO it's one of the best live metal albums of all time.

Rob is an absolute beast on this disc and it's one of my all time favorites.