Doctor Who v. Patrick Troughton

[BlobVanDam]

Having known some street graffiti artists and seen some work around where I live, I can.

It's more to do with the circumstances than the ability to do so. With what they had on hand, the pressure and time limit, and seeming lack of reference, it seemed unbelievable to me.
But I don't want to dwell on it, as it's a pretty minor thing. It's certainly no golden arrow. This would definitely be my favourite episode since Time Heist.

[bout to crash]

Yeah, I feel ya. One visible can of paint and voila! A perfect door! Still a cool idea though, and I really enjoyed the episode.
I'm still hella confused by this whole Missy thing, but we'll find out.

You should be well used to causality loops by now with Doctor Who!

I know, I know... It just kept bothering me after i watched it 

And yeah, I agree next week's doesn't look great but who knows?

[ozzy554]

Flatline and Mummy were both fantastic. I hope Jamie Mathieson writes more for the show.

[masterthes]

Really creepy and unsettling. I expect big things next week since it's the last episode before the 2 part finale

[lucky7]

I loved this episode.... when his hand comes out of the tardis it did make me think of Evil Dead just for a second. 

[Jamesman42]

Awesome episode.

[hefdaddy42]

Caught up with the last two episodes.  The Mummy was OK, but Flatline was fantastic.

[BlackInk]

I more or less feel the opposite of what Hef said. I thought Mummy was great, and Flatline was ok. Not bad, it was a perfectly fine DW episode, but not fantastic.

[Onno]

Just watched Flatline. Really great episode! This series has been great so far!

[Kotowboy]

I've got Flatline in my iPlayer downloads and haven't got around to watching it yet.

[Kotowboy]

...And now I have ! Another great one !

[Kotowboy]

Top 3 so far this series :

1.Listen
2.Mummy On The Orient Express
3.Flatline


Haha. I was going to ask about the psychic paper from Flatline. Then I randomly put on Chris Ecclestone episode End Of The World and he explains it in that.

[ariich]

If I remember rightly, that was when it was first introduced, as a device to explain why the Doctor is able to get into a load of places and situations without supporting characters asking too many questions.

[bout to crash]

Right, but in this episode it doesn't work on that one guy because his imagination sucks or whatever.

[BlobVanDam]

I was expecting him to be an alien or something because of that. Only special people should be able to see past the psychic paper dangit!

[bout to crash]

Yeah, I was hoping for that too. Nope, just a lame-ass 

[BlobVanDam]

He was also so much of a jerk that I figured something was up, but nope, just a regular old human jerk.

[Kotowboy]

RE : the end of the world.

I was surprised the 9th just let Cassandra(?) die. I thought The Doctor didn't let anyone die. Even if they were murderers ?


I'm not familiar with Chris' Doctor that much though.

[BlobVanDam]

RE : the end of the world.

I was surprised the 9th just let Cassandra(?) die. I thought The Doctor didn't let anyone die. Even if they were murderers ?


I'm not familiar with Chris' Doctor that much though.

The Doctor doesn't often directly kill anyone/thing, but if it's indirect, and if it's some sort of poetic justice for that person's own evil deeds, then he's allowed it on occasion.
Also, at that point I think they wanted to establish that the 9th was a a more calloused Doctor, harderened by just coming off the Time War, which you find out a bit more about as it goes on.

[Kotowboy]

I might start watching it from the beginning ( of the RTD era ) - since I really enjoy Capaldi's episodes and I occasionally liked a David Tennant episode.

There's like 7 series to get through though


Zoe Wannamaker has a great voice for a villain too !

[ozzy554]

RE : the end of the world.

I was surprised the 9th just let Cassandra(?) die. I thought The Doctor didn't let anyone die. Even if they were murderers ?


I'm not familiar with Chris' Doctor that much though.

thats nothing, he once sent an entire fleet of ice warriors into the sun.

[masterthes]

You really should Kotow. It helps to show the effect that Rose had on the 9th. I think you can't just blame regeneration for the personality shift from 9 to 10

[Jaq]

About the only comment I have to make about this week's is the people who try to apply science to Doctor Who are going to flip their wigs over this one. 

[BlobVanDam]

About the only comment I have to make about this week's is the people who try to apply science to Doctor Who are going to flip their wigs over this one. 

GOD.

That was possibly even worse than Kill the Moon. You can't just make up silly crap about Earth like that and have it work at all. Forests growing over everything overnight (and everything apparently disappearing to nothing more than the occasional lawn chair and fence, and even covering the entire ocean, and where the hell were the people?), and then have this giant solar flare directed right at Earth and be saved by flameproof trees, and the trees magically save Earth and disappear to nothing and have caused no damage to ANYTHING.
On top of that, the one girl who can somehow tell what's happening just happens to be in Clara's class, and just happens to be with Clara and Danny at the time on an overnight excursion. And yet again something bad happens right at Clara's time and place. Think about it, a lot of bad shit just happens to occur right around her.
And Danny saving them from a tiger with a flashlight (you brought a bunch of kids right up to a tiger?). And there were just too many kids in the episode.

And yet again, The Doctor had no damn clue what was happening and didn't know this had happened before, and humanity were just going to forget that a giant forest appeared and disappeared overnight, in the age of the internet where even the kids were taking selfies to document it all. That is the lamest cop-out reasoning.

We didn't need another episode of The Doctor being clueless, helping them to do nothing, and everything magically sorting itself out and being beyond bizarre and believable. We also didn't need another episode on Earth, in London, in the present day, that centers around Clara's school. Enough of Clara and Danny's small world already. There's an entire universe of time and space out there to explore!

Kill the Moon, Robot of Sherwood, and this week's episode were easily the worst of the season, with the rest being great. At least the finale is looking amazing, so I can't wait for that. If the finale is as good as I hope, it should really round out this season nicely.

[abydos]

Ok, this was a really stupid episode Something has been going wrong with DW since that first break and after the end of the Ponds. There's something missing from the show that only very occasionally shows up in episodes like Listen and Hide. I also miss the semi-secret existence of this - aliens, disasters, attacks, etc. And just about half of London knows and has been in the Tardis.

Not even going to comment on the plot. They must have smoked a lot of trees.

[BlobVanDam]

I just watched the episode again, and I realized another thing that made the episode so weak. It spent all of its time focusing on kids, and The Doctor was ultimately useless to the story.

They wasted a lot of time developing backstories for all of these kids, missing sister, allergies, anger issues, pointless flashbacks only to show character personalities that didn't aid the story. The young girl was made important to hear the little glowy things to figure out the story. Then it clicked. This episode was written by a kid's writer, written to appeal to kids.
The one tiny thing The Doctor was going to do to help the story, and he let the kids do it out of the kindness of his heart. But even that was a waste of The Doctor. There was no evidence that what the humans were doing to the trees was going to stop it from working. The entire planet was covered, including the oceans.

Between that, and more Clara/Danny stuff, there wasn't much time left for The Doctor to take the spotlight.

[ariich]

This was clearly an episode for the kids, as we've had a lot more adult-focussed stories this season. It was alright, some very nice ideas, but overall a little childish and easily the weakest of the season for me.

[BlobVanDam]

I think that's also what made it stick out a bit too, because Capaldi has been a darker Doctor, and it has been a darker season. It seems like odd placement for an episode like that, just as Robot of Sherwood seemed like an odd placement for that one.

I couldn't be more excited for the upcoming two parter though. I haven't been more excited for any episode this season.

[Bolsters]

I've been avoiding this thread for fear of major spoilers as I've only recently started watching this show. But, I had to ask about something. Earlier I watched the premiere episode of season five, and...I didn't like it. At all. I'd even go so far as to call it "fucking terrible".

It was too silly (Amelia cooking all that stuff for him especially, and the library pool, among other things), I thought the humour was too silly and slapstick, and it missed the mark with me completely. Even the music was bad, going back and forth between cliched over-dramatic and annoyingly comical. The tone of the episode was a bit strange to be honest, though I'm not sure how to pinpoint why I feel that way about it. It's ridiculous, but seems to be taking itself too seriously at the same time, and it didn't work. The pacing seemed pretty slow too, every scene felt like it took a long time for very little to happen.

I was paying attention and was actually looking forward to season five because I knew Moffat was taking over as showrunner and he wrote two of my favourite episodes of the show so far (Blink and The Girl in the Fireplace). But this premiere was disappointing in almost every possible way (I liked the more sophisticated camera work, and Amy Pond is really hot).

So...is this episode indicative of what the show is going to be from this point onward? I'm probably going to struggle to remain interested if this is what it's going to be like. Or does it get better?

Am I overreacting? Probably.

[BlobVanDam]

WTF? The Eleventh Hour is a great episode and a strong introduction to the 11th Doctor, and that's where I'd start when showing someone new Who.
I love the music too. The music got noticeably better once Moffat took over imo, even though it's the same guy composing.

[Bolsters]

Well...that's not what I was expecting. If I had started with this episode, I probably wouldn't be watching the show at all. Though admittedly, I almost gave up on it after The End of the World (the trampoline woman being a big part of that), but am glad I stuck it out. I do intend to watch some more episodes this week, I'm not giving up. But I just had to ask because I really didn't like The Eleventh Hour.

[BlobVanDam]

My only suggestion is that you're broken and should give up on enjoying good things.

The Eleventh Hour was a huge breath of fresh air to me after the RTD era, like the entire show just took a giant leap in quality all around. Loved every minute of it.

[Bolsters]

It had the opposite effect on me: After watching it, I'm dreading what the show might become. I have little confidence at this point and you're not helping.

[BlobVanDam]

I ONLY HELP THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES!

[GentlemanofDread]

I must admit, Eleventh Hour made me uncertain as well, but Beast Below should hook you in.