Doctor Who v. Patrick Troughton

[Kotowboy]

So how many Scottish actors have played the Doctor ?

I know of at least Sylvester McCoy, David Tennant and now Peter Capaldi.

Were any of Hartnell, Troughton or Pertwee Scots ?

[ariich]

Nope, just those three I believe. And Capaldi is the first to sound properly Scottish (McCoy slightly did, but not really).

[Kotowboy]

Nope, just those three I believe. And Capaldi is the first to sound properly Scottish (McCoy slightly did, but not really).

Indeed. Tennant's English was so perfect I thought he was English until i heard him do his actual accent.

[Scorpion]

Hello, rankings, so glad to see you...

1. Matt Smith
2. Tom Baker
3. Peter Capaldi
4. Sylvester McCoy
5. David Tennant
6. Patrick Troughton
7. Jon Pertwee
8. Christopher Eccleston
9. Colin Baker
10. Peter Davidson
11. Paul McGann
12. William Hartnell

I really like McCoy, even though I don't care for most of his first season (with the exception of Paradise Towers), but his second and third season are of amazing quality. Remenbrance of the Daleks, The Happiness Patrol, The Greatest Show in the Galaxy, Ghost Light, The Curse of Fenric... all those are among some of my very favourite Classic Who episodes.

McGann is really only so low because he's only really in the movie, and that one, while McGann is quite good, is just so atrociously written that I never really connected with his Doctor - going with TV appearances, at least. I read some of the BBC-published Eighth Doctor Adventures, and they are really quite interesting.

Never cared about William Hartnell. I'm not quite sure what it is, but I just never liked his portrayal of the Doctor, though I like some of his serials - The Time Meddler, for instance, is really quite good.

[Jamesman42]

such as Love and Monsters, and Fear Her.

You should be permabanned for saying those words. I am disgusted.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Are you saying those episodes were good?

[Polarbear]

So, rankings...

1. Tom Baker
2. Jon Pertwee
3. Peter Davison
4. Peter Capaldi
5. Christopher Eccleston
6. Matt Smith
7. Patrick Troughton
8. David Tennant
9. Sylvester McCoy
10. William Hartnell
11. Paul McGann
12. John Hurt
13. Colin Baker

Despite Colin Baker being in the bottom, i still don't hate his doctor. Peter Capaldi is slowly creeping his way to no.1!

[bout to crash]

Are you saying those episodes were good?

I liked the concept of Fear Her, despite its flaws.

[wasteland]

Fear Her is the only New Who episode I haven't watched!

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Are you saying those episodes were good?

I liked the concept of Fear Her, despite its flaws.

But surely you concur that Love and Monsters is indefensible.

[bout to crash]

That one was pretty  but I didn't hate it as strongly as a lot of folks here.

[masterthes]

The biggest thing I hated about Fear Her was that the little girl was a terrible actress IMO

[BlobVanDam]

The biggest thing I hated about Fear Her was that the little girl was a terrible actress IMO

The majority of kids on TV are. And it was a stupid story too.
At least Love and Monsters was the fun kind of stupid that was so bad that it's almost good.

[BlackInk]

I had no serious problem with Fear Her, it was silly yes, but some of the stories are that silly. Love and Monsters however was so absolutely out of this world terrible I don't know what the hell people were thinking.

Also, just saw 50th again. So awesome. Although someone forgot to tell Tennant's hair stylist that he didn't look like that while he was the Doctor.

[ozzy554]

My favorite doctor is Patrick Troughton, and my second favorite is Tom Baker. Beyond that I have no idea because I am terrible at making lists.

My least favorite Is a tie between Davison and Tennant.

[Mister Gold]

1. Peter Capaldi
2. Tom Baker
3. Christopher Ecceleston
4. Jon Pertwee
5. David Tennant
6. Sylvester McCoy
7. Patrick Troughton
8. John Hurt
9. Paul McGann
10. Peter Davison
11. Matt Smith
12. William Hartnell
13. Colin Baker

That's my ranking of the Doctors. Hartnell, McGann and Hurt would all be higher if there was more out there from them though. It struck as being a little odd at how low I rank Smith, because he was the first Doctor I watched, but then again he really isn't my sort of Doctor. I loved him in the role though!

[Jamesman42]

Are you saying those episodes were good?

No, I am saying they sucked so bad that they should never be mentioned.

[bout to crash]

The biggest thing I hated about Fear Her was that the little girl was a terrible actress IMO

The majority of kids on TV are. And it was a stupid story too.
At least Love and Monsters was the fun kind of stupid that was so bad that it's almost good.

Well, I liked that Fear Her touched on the issue of abuse and whatnot. I was pleasantly surprised to see that on the show. It was corny but not after-school special caliber.

[hefdaddy42]

Finally got to catch "Listen."  Holy crap, that was one of the best, most interesting episodes of DW I've ever seen.

I think it was definitely left ambiguous as to whether the hiding monsters are real.  That is the power of the story.

[Mister Gold]

Finally got to catch "Listen."  Holy crap, that was one of the best, most interesting episodes of DW I've ever seen.

I think it was definitely left ambiguous as to whether the hiding monsters are real.  That is the power of the story.

Completely agreed. "Listen" is a masterwork!

Also, here's some very interesting details for the second half of this season! I'm really looking forward to "Kill the Moon" and "Mummy on the Oriental Express" right now.
https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/tantalising-details-on-series-8-episodes-5-8-66791.htm

[wasteland]

Are we ready to rob(*) the Bank Of Karabaxos?

* Short for for the verb "to robwebster", that is to say "to convince somebody to do something with the sheer power of appropriate words and reasonable argomentation".

[masterthes]

I'm excited for tonight's episode. Looks like it's going to be a fun one

[abydos]

When does it start? As in how many hours from now?

[Jaq]

19 or so minutes from my post time.

[abydos]

Awesome, thanks. Gonna make my night shift slightly more pleasant.

[Mister Gold]

I'm actually much more excited to see the episodes that are coming our way starting next week. Should really interesting to see where we go from here.

[abydos]

Wasn't bad but wasn't that great either. Seems like the season so far is rotating between one good and one meh episode. And in concept it reminded me a lot to Hide.

[Mister Gold]

Wasn't bad but wasn't that great either. Seems like the season so far is rotating between one good and one meh episode. And in concept it reminded me a lot to Hide.

From the sound of things, it looks like the second half of the season is going to be a lot stronger, or at least more consistent, than the first. Aside from the two-part finale by Moffat and next week's episode by Gareth Roberts, the remaining four episodes (Kill the Moon, Mummy on the Oriental Express, Flatline and In the Forests of the Night) are all going to be written by screenwriters that are brand new to the show. Plus the details that we have on those episodes so far all seem to indicate that they're at least going to attempt to be a bit more daring and experimental with these episodes.

Contrast that with having two incredibly generic Who episodes written by veteran screenwriters (Robot of Sherwood, Time Heist). I'll give Deep Breath a little bit of slack, since most post-regeneration episodes tend to be a bit shaky, but RoS and TH are both rather bland. Especially in comparison to episodes like Into the Dalek and Listen. Capaldi is clearly at his best when he's handed darker, more serious scripts and aside from The Caretaker next week, it looks like that's exactly what the rest of the season is going to be like. Dark and serious.

And even then, I'm still excited for The Caretaker, because I think that Roberts tends to hand in more interesting and original comedic episodes than someone like Gatiss, whose schtick is generally about poorly modeling his episodes after Classic Who eras. Capaldi showed himself to be absolutely hysterical in RoS, which was what made that episode work in the end, so I'm hopeful he'll do even better when given a (hopefully) stronger comedic script.

[GentlemanofDread]

Payday 2: The Doctor Who episode.

[BlobVanDam]

Good episode, although I think I expected it to be more tied into the season arc, given Moffat's writing credit.

Definitely a much better episode than Robot of Sherwood. I figured The Doctor was the architect pretty early on, and I liked the way the story unfolded with none of them knowing what they're doing. I thought the reason they were robbing the bank would end up being a bit more of a revelation than saving the aliens, but it still wrapped up pretty nicely.

But the Galaxy's most secure bank still hasn't figured that human sized vents to every room are a bad idea.

edit: And I liked his comments about his outfit looking like a magician.

[Scorpion]

Yeah, that Doctor/Architect tie-in was pretty obvious, but other than that, I liked this one. I think that the Doctor's darker direction is already beginning to pay off, because it was a genuine surprise that Psi and Saibra were actually still alive, something that I would have figured out pretty early in earlier stories, but it worked here because the past stories have shown us that the Doctor isn't shy about letting people die.

Though yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that it's so easy to break into the Most Secure Bank in the Galaxy.

[BlobVanDam]

I wasn't expecting the other two to be alive either, especially after the earlier precedent of Into the Dalek where people sacrificed their lives so he could survive, without much emotion from The Doctor.

I think they let the bank's policy of putting their criminals on show got in the way of making it seem that secure a bank, when they brought out this big slow monster to slowly scan someone's brain and nuke them rather than just bring out a bunch of guys to shoot them, but I guess they also needed to utilize the monster to that degree for the purpose of the story too.

The little nitpicks really didn't affect my enjoyment of this episode at all though, unlike Robot of Sherwood.

[Jaq]

Time Heist worked because it moved so fast you didn't get a chance to go "wait, what?" about it. It was Doctor Who meets Hollywood heist movie, and it played that perfectly. I loved it, but I figure multiple viewings will make me go "oh come now."

The show, I will say, has finally found the way it wants to tell stories visually now for the Moffat era, which it's been working towards since the middle of series 7 (and said change pretty much required the change from Smith, who I loved, to Capaldi, who I love as well.) It would just be so weird to see Smith's physicality in these stories. Capaldi's acting just fits the current visual style.

[ariich]

I enjoyed that episode a lot again - definitely more typical Doctor Who episode, both in style and in the twist, but very nicely done. Capaldi really is fast becoming one of my favourites, and this season has been excellent so far!

[masterthes]

Nearly flawless I would say