The Movie Thread v. Return of the Jedi

[hefdaddy42]

I love My Cousin Vinnie.

[jammindude]

If I could have sex with any movie character, it would without question be Mona Lisa Vito.

Great movie too.

No matter what anyone says, Marisa deserved that Oscar....

[Orbert]

Great movie.  Caught it on TV the other day from near the beginning, had to watch the rest.

[Chino]

The Spy Who Shagged Me

Disgrace to the first.
Where is this CT drive in?

Anyway I found a film scan of a movie. The grain, weave, and reel marks reminded me of how much I miss it. Digital cinema sucks.

What!? The sequel was awesome. The third installment sucked donkey parts. I saw it in theaters when it came out and swore I'd never watch it again.

Drive in : https://www.mansfielddrivein.com/

[masterthes]

My Cousin Vinny was so full of win

Managed to check out Timecop for the first time on one of the Encore channels. Not too shabby

[Grizz]

The Spy Who Shagged Me

Disgrace to the first.
Where is this CT drive in?

Anyway I found a film scan of a movie. The grain, weave, and reel marks reminded me of how much I miss it. Digital cinema sucks.

What!? The sequel was awesome. The third installment sucked donkey parts. I saw it in theaters when it came out and swore I'd never watch it again.

Drive in : https://www.mansfielddrivein.com/

I seem to have thrown off the balance of things. I shall fix it.

I mean, it was okay, but people hail it as being the best of the trilogy. This is wrong.

[BlobVanDam]

People always hate on the second one, but I liked it.

The Lost World: Jurassic Park No, although I enjoy the stupidity of it.
The Spy Who Shagged Me Agreed on this one
Honey I Blew Up the Kid I preferred this one, although it's been forever since I've seen them, so that might just be nostalia.
Toy Story 2 I think I might prefer the second, but they're both very good.
Home Alone 2 Been a while since I've seen them, but who leaves their kid alone twice after that happens anyway?
Men in Black 2 Again, been too long since I've seen them.
Short Circuit 2 Hell yeah!
Avatar 2 (probably) GTFO

Were all as good, if not not better than the first.

My thoughts in bold. I'll also mention Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.
And also BTTF2

[jingle.boy]

Bill & Ted's Bogus Sequel you mean?  That movie was f'n awful.

Lethal Weapon 2
Die Hard 2
Young Guns 2
Beverly Hills Cop 2

All had great freshman efforts, but the sequel's all just a touch better than the original.

[BlobVanDam]

Bill & Ted's Bogus Sequel you mean?  That movie was f'n awful.

GTFO!

And Die Hard 2? Come on, that was easily the worst of them. While you're at it, why don't you mention Speed 2?

[Bolsters]

Die Hard 2
Beverly Hills Cop 2

Dude, what?

And Die Hard 2? Come on, that was easily the worst of them.

I take it you haven't seen the fifth one yet?


Anyway, the best answer to this question: Terminator 2.

[BlobVanDam]

Anyway, the best answer to this question: Terminator 2.

Of course. That should have been the most obvious one. One of my favourite movies of all time too.

[Outcrier]

Godfather 2, Aliens, The Empire Strikes Back, For a Few Dollars More... all of them being loved sequels as well.

[jingle.boy]

Bill & Ted's Bogus Sequel you mean?  That movie was f'n awful.

GTFO!

And Die Hard 2? Come on, that was easily the worst of them. While you're at it, why don't you mention Speed 2?

I would, but Speed 1 was awful enough on it's own.

You youngins were still learning to self-wipe when those sequels came out, and probably didn't even get those movies down under until the late 90s.   

[BlobVanDam]

You youngins were still learning to self-wipe when those sequels came out, and probably didn't even get those movies down under until the late 90s.   

What's your point? That's not even an argument. Die Hard 2 is still the same crummy movie it was back when it was released.

[Bolsters]

For the record, I don't have a problem with Die Hard 2. It's a perfectly decent action flick. But better than the first movie? No. For me, Die Hard 3 is above it aswell. The only ones I don't really like are four and especially five.

Oh, and it only took us about two months to get it. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099423/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf+

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I can't believe no one's mentioned Terminator 2. That one is the first one that immediately comes to mind when I think of sequels better than the first.

[bout to crash]

My Cousin Vinny was so full of win

True dat. I also have an actual cousin Vinny 

Just watched Manderlay 

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

My Cousin Vinny was so full of win

True dat. I also have an actual cousin Vinny 

Just watched Manderlay 

Haven't seen that yet. There are no hopes of it living up to Dogville but I'll definitely try it out anyway.

[Zantera]

I watched Magnolia last night and it was really good.

[masterthes]

I can't believe no one's mentioned Terminator 2. That one is the first one that immediately comes to mind when I think of sequels better than the first.

See about 6 posts above you. And when mentioning sequels that are better than the originals, look no further than Empire Strikes Back and Wrath of Khan

[Zantera]

There's plenty of great movies that has sequels better than the original. Just a few that comes to mind: (and most have probably been mentioned)

Alien - Aliens
Terminator - Terminator 2
Fellowship of the Ring - Return of the King
A New Hope - The Empire Strikes Back
The Godfather - The Godfather Part 2
Batman Begins - The Dark Knight
X-Men - X-Men: Days of Future Past
Spider-Man - Spider-Man 2 (Sam Raimi)
Evil Dead - Evil Dead II
Toy Story - Toy Story 2 (or 3)
Captain America - The Winter Soldier

[jammindude]

I watched Magnolia last night and it was really good.

What a grower this movie was for me.   Every time I see it, it becomes more and more brilliant.   Top 5 all time film for me.

The first time I watched it, I almost shut it off I thought it was so bad.   Now I think it's one of the most brilliant films I've ever seen.

[Zantera]

I watched Magnolia last night and it was really good.

What a grower this movie was for me.   Every time I see it, it becomes more and more brilliant.   Top 5 all time film for me.

The first time I watched it, I almost shut it off I thought it was so bad.   Now I think it's one of the most brilliant films I've ever seen.

It definitely struck me as the kind of movie you need to re-watch. Because while I did very much like it, the first half of it was kinda slow paced and the movie laid out a lot of plots and characters, but managed to connect it all nicely in the end. I have a feeling that when you re-watch it, the first half will get more interesting, because knowing the end, you might be able to find small puzzle pieces that you didn't notice before.

[Kotowboy]

I love it whenever I see it but i've still never seen it from start to finish.

Also I realised recently that I've never seen a Paul Thomas Anderson film from start to finish

And I've seen far too many Paul WS Anderson films from start to finish.

[orcus116]

Toy Story - Toy Story 2 (or 3)

Not a chance. TS2 felt more of the same and TS3 felt completely unnecessary.

[Kotowboy]

Toy Story - Toy Story 2 (or 3)

Not a chance. TS2 felt more of the same and TS3 felt completely unnecessary.

I've only seen each sequel once so couldn't say but Alien is definitely better than Aliens in my book.

Second is great but not enough tension building as the first one. 

[masterthes]

Two Towers came out after Fellowship

[hefdaddy42]

I wouldn't even compare Alien and Aliens.  They don't even feel like a part one and part two, they are completely different movies.

[Kwyjibo]

I wouldn't even compare Alien and Aliens.  They don't even feel like a part one and part two, they are completely different movies.

This. Both are great but so different I couldn't rank them.

And I would say the same for Terminator and Terminator 2. Sure T2 was much more expensive and looks like it, but T1 has its own charm.

[Mister Gold]

There's plenty of great movies that has sequels better than the original. Just a few that comes to mind: (and most have probably been mentioned)

Alien - Aliens
Terminator - Terminator 2
Fellowship of the Ring - Return of the King
A New Hope - The Empire Strikes Back
The Godfather - The Godfather Part 2
Batman Begins - The Dark Knight
X-Men - X-Men: Days of Future Past
Spider-Man - Spider-Man 2 (Sam Raimi)
Evil Dead - Evil Dead II
Toy Story - Toy Story 2 (or 3)
Captain America - The Winter Soldier

No. Not even close. However the rest of your list is pretty spot-on.

I wouldn't even compare Alien and Aliens.  They don't even feel like a part one and part two, they are completely different movies.

They are definitely very different. However I do compare the two a lot myself, since I find Alien to be infinitely superior to any of its sequels, including Aliens.

[Orbert]

I wouldn't even compare Alien and Aliens.  They don't even feel like a part one and part two, they are completely different movies.

I wouldn't go that far.  I do agree that they are very different movies in terms of tone and directorial style (which isn't surprising since Ridley Scott and James Cameron are very different directors), and the original is more of a classic suspense/horror flick that just happens to be set in space, whereas the second is more of an action flick that just happens to be set in space.

But Aliens builds on the story and universe established in Alien.  Only one character survived the original, but she's back and is exactly the same character.  Some sequels are "more of the same" and some are "let's take things further" and Aliens is the second type.  We only got a piece of the background of the xenomorph and its life cycle; now we have more.  There's also Weyland-Yutani ("the company") which is back and being the same asshole corporation they were before.

To me, they feel very much like Part One and Part Two of the same story, as long as one understands that Part Two expands considerably upon Part One.


I feel the same way about the Toy Story movies.  The original takes place almost entirely in Andy's house, with a little bit over at Sid's house (although yes, that's a very important part).  Toy Story 2 takes us out into the world.  Pizza Planet, the airport, the chicken man's place, etc.  We find out that Woody isn't just some generic cowboy figure, but part of a much larger world as well, and that world is explored.  To me, it's definitely not a "more of the same" sequel, but a "let's take things further" sequel.  And then Toy Story 3 is pretty much the perfect ending to the trilogy.  It takes things even further, actually gets kinda dark and scary, but also is completely faithful to the original and has numerous callbacks to it.  And of course it provides closure to the original story while at the same time assuring the viewer that things will continue.

[Chino]

Pizza Planet was totally the first Toy Story. That's how Sid got both Woody and Buzz in his possession. In my opinion, the Toy Story Trilogy is is best trilogy of all time.

And whether or not these kind of things are true makes me love the movies even more.

https://jonnegroni.com/2014/02/24/the-true-identity-of-andys-mom-in-toy-story-will-blow-your-mind/

[bout to crash]

I loved Magnolia the first time I saw it. And I got laid right after, so I will always have fond attachments to it 

[Orbert]

Pizza Planet was totally the first Toy Story. That's how Sid got both Woody and Buzz in his possession.

Shit.  You're right, of course.

In my opinion, the Toy Story Trilogy is is best trilogy of all time.

Well, we agree on that. 

[Orbert]

Oh yeah, and I totally buy that Andy's mom was Jessie's first owner.  It may not have been in the original concept, but it's the type of thing you do when creating a sequel to create more continuity.  Andy already had the hat; all they had to do when introducing Jessie was to give her the same hat only "new".