Whoa whoa whoa, first of all, when I say "tampered with" I am most certainly not referring to EQ or reverb effects and such. That's just part of mixing/ mastering. Yes technically you could call that "tampering", but I'm pretty sure no one here is referring to that (right?). I only mean re-recording or tuning any section of vocals. Sorry for the misunderstanding, if there is one!
Fair enough, I didn't realise it was completely assumed because a lot of people have been mentioning a completely authentic live experience, and I guess I was just trying to say it's never quite like that anyway because there are normally necessary changes to make when considering live playback.
Point #2, I'm actually really surprised people would disagree with me on this!
Haha, I appreciate where you were coming from with the lighting example, I don't so much disagree but rather believed there was a connection between your expectations and the effect on your experience. And although it's a fair example, if the lighting crew screw up and that detracts from your experience, that's probably something you can't control because you had expectations that the lights would be working properly and thought nothing of it until it went wrong. It's a little bit different if your preconceived idea about the backing tracks or whatever, that you brought into that experience, was holding you back from enjoying the show because it'd be easier to enjoy it if you had few or no expectations about the effect the backing tracks will have your experience right? If they catch you off guard or if you formulate that they're not enjoyable while you're there well that is different. I only emphasised this point because I have a different experience regarding the backing tracks because they don't bother me and I think they enhance the show.
Firstly, it has absolutely nothing to do with expectations. If someone makes a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, adds ketchup into it, and serves it to you, it does not taste terrible because you didn't expect the ketchup. It tastes terrible because ketchup goes terrible in peanut butter and jelly.
Okay. But, doesn't this whole scenario involve a preconception about the ketchup tasting terrible with peanut butter and jelly? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to sell people on this sandwich, because I have my own, probably similar expectations about what that would be like, but if some one told me that it was a rainbow and fairy sandwich and I didn't know what those things tasted like together, hey, I don't know what my experience would be like. But I certainly don't know
for sure if it would be terrible... Unless I had a preconceived notion that those things don't go well together.
Secondly, it's preposterous to say that you have total control over whether something you're experiencing is pleasurable or not. The only thing you have control over is your preconceived notions and your attitude. Beyond that, it's left up to the traits of the experience itself and your natural opinions of those traits. Whether you are served that sandwich hoping for it to be delicious, really wanting to like it, or expecting it to be terrible, either way it's gonna suck.
Also, if you say "I believe DT already have their own performance integrity" you don't really understand the meaning of the word, because integrity is entirely objective (The house will either fall over or it won't). Maybe what you mean to say is that what DT consider integrated is in disagreement with what I would consider integrated. In that case, then we'd have a discussion because we could debate which definition is actually true.
Alright. Let me correct myself if I ever worded it that we have total control over how we experience something, I was trying to say we're responsible for how we feel about something, and it's possible to change how you feel about anything; (and so, have at least some control over how you feel about something you're actively experiencing) IF you change
your definition of what it means to you (preconceptions, expectations?). And I do agree that we have total control over the preconceived notions that we bring into it, which was the the point I was trying to make. Meaning it has everything to do with expectations.
And I think it would be fair to assume that DTs integrity is objectively different from their, yours or my conception of it. I would proclaim that we can not determine which one is 'true' though because the answers would be relative.