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Re: 2014-15 NBA thread v. God Lays the Pipe on OKC
« Reply #490 on: December 24, 2014, 10:22:08 AM »
Every advanced metric paints a portrait of a basketball player who simply is not good.

17.6 PER, -.1 WS, -.005 WS/48, -1.1 BPM

And keep in mind that these stats don't measure defense very well, so Kobe is actually worse than these stats suggest.
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« Reply #491 on: December 24, 2014, 11:40:34 AM »
Well enough laughing at how bad Kobe is we will have plenty of time for that during the rest of the season.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236007/Josh-Smith-Agrees-To-Sign-With-Rockets

Houston finally got that stretch 4 they were missing ;D

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« Reply #492 on: December 24, 2014, 09:12:09 PM »
Damian Lillard. What a player.

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« Reply #493 on: December 24, 2014, 10:59:57 PM »
I did not expect Atlanta to be playing so well...
I wonder if they will be able to make it out of the 2nd round


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« Reply #495 on: December 25, 2014, 03:52:38 PM »
Well enough laughing at how bad Kobe is we will have plenty of time for that during the rest of the season.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236007/Josh-Smith-Agrees-To-Sign-With-Rockets

Houston finally got that stretch 4 they were missing ;D
Josh Smith is not a stretch four. he can't shoot.

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« Reply #496 on: December 25, 2014, 04:47:00 PM »
Well enough laughing at how bad Kobe is we will have plenty of time for that during the rest of the season.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236007/Josh-Smith-Agrees-To-Sign-With-Rockets

Houston finally got that stretch 4 they were missing ;D
Josh Smith is not a stretch four. he can't shoot.
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Re: 2014-15 NBA thread v. God Lays the Pipe on OKC
« Reply #497 on: December 27, 2014, 01:01:38 AM »
Well enough laughing at how bad Kobe is we will have plenty of time for that during the rest of the season.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236007/Josh-Smith-Agrees-To-Sign-With-Rockets

Houston finally got that stretch 4 they were missing ;D

Morey has this thing he'll do where he'll just sign stars because he believes talent will work itself out.  Josh Smith at a couple million per year is a very worthwhile risk.  If he works out, you'll be able to sign him at a fair contract next year.  If he doesn't, you didn't lose much.

But, like you said, I don't really understand how Smith fits in with their three point oriented offensive philosophy.  They also cut Tarik Black, a center with a lot of potential, to sign Smith, which makes no sense.  Who's going to back up Dwight?

I'm not going to hate on Morey here.  He got rid of Asik, Lin, and Parsons and somehow made the team better.  He has a real touch for this GMing thing.  But I still don't get the Smith signing.
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« Reply #498 on: December 27, 2014, 09:06:57 PM »
KG pulls a Lance Stephenson, and blew into David West's ear.  :lol  :lol  :lol

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« Reply #499 on: December 28, 2014, 03:14:19 AM »
KG's got balls doing that to David West, but it's also a smart play because I'm sure he knew David West would react like that.

Edit: Dwyane"Flash"Wade is back :hat
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« Reply #500 on: January 04, 2015, 08:58:35 AM »
So sad to know Stuart Scott passed away.  :-[
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« Reply #501 on: January 07, 2015, 06:35:19 AM »
How about them Pistons?! Suddenly looking decent (6 wins in a row), especially since they dumped Josh Smith, go figure.  :hat  How you Rockets fans liking J-Smoove now?  :lol
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« Reply #502 on: January 07, 2015, 08:31:09 AM »
How about them Pistons?! Suddenly looking decent (6 wins in a row), especially since they dumped Josh Smith, go figure.  :hat  How you Rockets fans liking J-Smoove now?  :lol

Yeah, I didn't expect that at all but it seems J Smoove was really hurting them. Maybe it won't be that bad for Houston since he's not playing that many minutes.

Let's also talk about the latest trade, I get why Cleveland would want Iman Shumpert but JR Smith is not a good player for them. NY got rid of some awful contracts and the winner here is OKC, they got the player they needed.
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« Reply #503 on: January 07, 2015, 01:06:30 PM »
Let's also talk about the latest trade, I get why Cleveland would want Iman Shumpert but JR Smith is not a good player for them. NY got rid of some awful contracts and the winner here is OKC, they got the player they needed.

The player Cleveland really wanted was Iman Shumpert.  New York wasn't going to give up Shumpert for nothing but a 2nd round pick unless they also got to dump JR Smith's contract.  To compensate for taking on a toxic contract/player and giving up a 2nd round pick, Cleveland got a 1st from OKC.  They're by far the team taking the most high variance risk in this trade.  If Shumpert and Smith pan out, they're much closer to being title contenders.  But Shumpert might not be the same after his ACL injury and Smith might be constitutionally dysfunctional.

OKC essentially traded a heavily protected 1st for Dion Waiters.  Not only did they get an asset for appropriate value, but they also have the flexibility to move Reggie Jackson, who seems like he's going to get a larger contract than OKC is willing to pay.  This gives them a better position for the short and long term.

New York apparently didn't want to pay Shumpert's next contract, so they were looking to dump him.  Even though they only got a 2nd in return, they also got to dump JR Smith, which is huge.  For New York, the consequences of this trade are very clear - open up cap space and get rid of a toxic presence.  It's not as high an upside trade as it was for Cleveland and OKC, but there's virtually no downside and the upside is guaranteed.

This wasn't a great trade for any team (especially for Cleveland), but it was a good trade and a smart trade.  Every team involved addressed relevant needs, and none of them gave up too much to do so.
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« Reply #504 on: January 07, 2015, 01:31:38 PM »
According to Stein (generally a very credible source), the Cavs are very close to getting Mozgov.  This would be their best 8 guys:

Irving
Shumpert
James
Love
Mozgov

Smith
Thompson
Marion

Not quite a title contender, but a lot closer than a week ago.

EDIT: Two 1sts for Mozgov.  That's desperate.

EDIT 2:  Both picks are heavily protected and no players are going out.  Not great but not totally awful either.
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« Reply #505 on: January 07, 2015, 02:54:59 PM »
This would be a lot better if they still had Varejao now they just look desperate to find a replacement for him.

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« Reply #506 on: January 07, 2015, 03:28:14 PM »
What makes these moves a 3/5 instead of a 2/5 for me is that the players they got are quite young. Shumpert is 24 and Mozgov is 28.
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« Reply #507 on: January 07, 2015, 09:09:32 PM »
This would be a lot better if they still had Varejao now they just look desperate to find a replacement for him.

I presume this hurt their leverage with Denver a lot.

What makes these moves a 3/5 instead of a 2/5 for me is that the players they got are quite young. Shumpert is 24 and Mozgov is 28.

Good point.  Thought Mozgov was older.
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« Reply #508 on: January 08, 2015, 07:05:26 AM »
At 27-8 the Hawks are looking good now, but the next 7 games should really tell us what the Hawks are really made of.

5 out of those 7 are on the road. Among those roadies are the suddenly hot Pistons, and they actually will face the Pistons TWICE during this 7-game period. Then there are the Raptors (I bet they too are circling this game in hope of re-gaining some ground on the Hawks), and the Bulls (@ Chicago will be their 4th game in 5 nights!). In between there are also the Wiz. Or, the #2-4 teams in the east during these next few games. Not exactly an easy period!  :hat
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« Reply #509 on: January 09, 2015, 02:36:47 PM »
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Hearing that the Jeff Green-to-Memphis trade talks are heating up. Discussions between the Celts and Grizz, I'm told, getting more serious

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine  21m21 minutes ago
Still hurdles to clear, I'm told, for Boston to consummate Jeff Green deal. But Grizz, at present, are most serious suitor for Celts forward

Before the Mozgov trade, a three team trade was being discussed involving Memphis sending Kostas Koufas to Cleveland, Boston sending Jeff Green to Memphis, and Boston getting picks from Cleveland and Memphis.

Given this, and knowing how Ainge handles trades, Boston will almost certainly be getting yet another 1st round pick.

I'm curious if the trade will just be Tayshaun Prince and a 1st for Green or if other elements will be included.
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« Reply #510 on: January 09, 2015, 03:26:24 PM »
When are the Celtics going to stop rebuilding and actually get a team that's good enough to go deep into the playoffs?
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« Reply #511 on: January 09, 2015, 03:34:34 PM »
When are the Celtics going to stop rebuilding and actually get a team that's good enough to go deep into the playoffs?

Gonna be a while now.  Boston can't just trade for a star because there would be no motivation for one to stay.  They'll have to spend their time leveraging their assets into a competitive team, and that could take a long while.
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« Reply #512 on: January 09, 2015, 03:36:51 PM »
Phoenix sending "a draft pick" to Boston for Brandan Wright.  He's worth more than a 2nd so... A FIRST FOR BRANDAN WRIGHT?  PLEASE???

EDIT:  Omg yes yes yes.

EDIT 2:  Not quite.  It's Minnesota's pick that's top 12 protected the next two years, and if it's not conveyed it turns into two seconds.  The Wolves are 5-29 so far this year, so unless they do something crazy next year the Celtics will only see two 2nds.
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« Reply #513 on: January 09, 2015, 03:45:04 PM »
Boston trading Green to Memphis for Tayshaun Prince and a 1st according to Woj.

Break it down Danny break it down!

How often does a team do two trades in one day?

EDIT: Third team involved.

EDIT 2/3: Final trade:

Memphis in - Jeff Green, Russ Smith
Memphis out - 1st, Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter, 2nd

Boston in - 1st, Tayshaun Prince, Austin Rivers
Boston out - Jeff Green

New Orleans in - Quincy Pondexter, 2nd
New Orleans out - Austin Rivers

Impossible to evaluate the trade for Boston and Memphis until we know what year the pick is and how it's protected.  New Orleans though did well.  Traded a player they don't like for a player they apparently have been interested in.  Good stuff.

EDIT 4:  Now, Celtics and Clippers are working on a trade to send Austin Rivers to LA for a 2nd rounder.
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« Reply #514 on: January 16, 2015, 05:25:43 AM »
What has the world comes to? Grandpa Kobe passes the ball?! A career high 17 assists?!  :lol
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« Reply #515 on: January 16, 2015, 08:37:33 PM »
KD shot 14 for 18, 5 for 5 at the line for 36 points vs. the Warriors! That's NBA 2K15 kind of stats, lol!  :lol
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« Reply #516 on: January 16, 2015, 09:46:13 PM »
What about Westbrook's Triple Double though? 17/17/15  :eek

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« Reply #517 on: January 17, 2015, 11:35:28 PM »
The Hawks played 4 ROAD games in 5 nights, including games at Toronto and Chicago; and they won them all!!  :tup  :hat
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« Reply #518 on: January 22, 2015, 09:39:24 AM »
The Hawks are amazing. I don't see the Wizards or my Raptors beating them in the playoffs, at least based on how things have gone the last month or so. Chicago and Cleveland have a chance if healthy.
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« Reply #519 on: January 24, 2015, 07:45:08 AM »
I'd love to see the Warriors make the Finals this year. Fucking Curry and FUCKING KLAY THOMPSON

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« Reply #520 on: January 25, 2015, 04:44:53 PM »
I'd love to see the Warriors make the Finals this year. Fucking Curry and FUCKING KLAY THOMPSON

I'd love to see either the Grizzlies or the Warriors in the Finals for the west. I think the Spurs' run is over this year.
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« Reply #521 on: January 26, 2015, 03:32:17 AM »
So that means the Spurs are going to make 3 straight Finals because whenever people start counting out the Spurs they prove everyone wrong.

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« Reply #522 on: January 26, 2015, 07:06:06 AM »
So that means the Spurs are going to make 3 straight Finals because whenever people start counting out the Spurs they prove everyone wrong.

Maybe. They have the potential to be the best but they are just not doing it right.
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« Reply #523 on: January 28, 2015, 03:33:28 AM »
So, the 4 players that will be participating in the dunk contest have been revealed and none of the players that were there last year were chosen. WTF? Last year's competition sucked because of the format they chose but there were some sick dunks. Now they invite Mason Plumlee? And I don't see the Greek Freak putting a good show either.
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« Reply #524 on: January 28, 2015, 08:08:22 AM »
The dunk contest is about as big of a joke as the Pro Bowl. :lol