New Live Release: BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL discussion thread

[Podaar]

Get a blu-ray player!

So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? 

[425]

Honestly, I don't get the fascination with BluRay, and certainly don't get the cries for those of us who still use DVD to follow the technology (not referring to you, bosk, since that isn't what you said, but in general). Yes, BluRay looks better than DVD, but for a lot of people it just doesn't look enough better to convince them to buy a whole new system. Plus if someone likes to play movies on their computer and has a computer that's even a couple of years old (or a Mac), a BluRay is not a good investment for them since they simply can't play it. It might be a better investment if BluRay discs worked to play DVD-quality video on ordinary DVD players, or if DVD/BluRay combo packs weren't literally the cost of a DVD plus the cost of a BluRay. But, quite simply, for a lot of people it is not worth a marginal bump in picture quality to experience numerous drawbacks.

I get that the label wants to follow all of the latest technology trends. But even the most ardent of BluRay fans has to admit that there are a ton of people out there for whom the format is not yet worth it. So I think it's silly for the label to take features away from DVD buyers for no particular reason (there is absolutely no reason why they should not be able to sell the CDs either on their own or together with the DVDs at next to no additional cost).





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Get a blu-ray player!

So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? 

Great, but I like to watch things like this on my laptop, so are you also offering me one of those that can play BluRay? And what if I want to loan it to a friend who doesn't have a BluRay player (a lot of people don't)?

Honestly all we're asking here is that they not completely exclude us from buying the CDs just because we don't want to buy BluRays. I don't get why anyone would actually oppose the label making the CDs available in a set with the DVDs or on their own. Either it affects you positively, or it doesn't affect you at all.

[TheGreatPretender]

Get a blu-ray player!

So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? 

Great, but I like to watch things like this on my laptop, so are you also offering me one of those that can play BluRay? And what if I want to loan it to a friend who doesn't have a BluRay player (a lot of people don't)?

Honestly all we're asking here is that they not completely exclude us from buying the CDs just because we don't want to buy BluRays. I don't get why anyone would actually oppose the label making the CDs available in a set with the DVDs or on their own. Either it affects you positively, or it doesn't affect you at all.

Hey, I totally agree with you. I'm just saying get a Blu-Ray player because HD movies are awesome! Nothing to do with DT or live albums! 

[cramx3]

You can get blu ray drives for computers and they are fairly cheap, for laptops.. its getting harder to find them with optical drives in general.

Blu-ray to me, is SOOOO much better than DVD.  The picture and sound are so worth the price to upgrade your system and over the years HD TVs and Blu Ray players have gotten very cheap, I own three HD TVs and 2 Blu Ray players.  Some of the best investments I have made.

For example, I own both the Live at Budokan DVD and Blu-Ray and there is a noticeable difference there and that one wasnt recorded for Blu-Ray like the LALP was (which has a beautiful picture).  I expect this new Blu-Ray to be really really visual and sound appealing.

[Podaar]

Look, I was having a little fun with my pal TAC. Feel free to look away.

But to be perfectly honest, an acceptable Blu-ray player is less expensive than the top package for this one DT concert. Seems like a no brainer to me, but your mileage OBVIOUSLY varies.

 

[King Postwhore]

Let me chime in.  If you are a fan of music a Blu Ray Players and a HDMI receiver is a must.  It is light years better than a DVD player with a Dolby Digital reviver.  You can spend about $150.00 on a very good Blu Ray Player that will upgrade wireless and a very good HDMI receiver for about $250.00.

Well you do have to have a LCD/LED or Plasma TV.


It is worth it for the music lovers.  Trust me.

[TheGreatPretender]

And cinema lovers.

[King Postwhore]

And cinema lovers.

My sub woofer agrees with you.

[bosk1]

Honestly, I don't get the fascination with BluRay, and certainly don't get the cries for those of us who still use DVD to follow the technology (not referring to you, bosk, since that isn't what you said, but in general). Yes, BluRay looks better than DVD, but for a lot of people it just doesn't look enough better to convince them to buy a whole new system.

Like I said, I sympathize with those who do not have BluRay players.  But as to this point, it is not just the picture.  The problem with DVD's is their limited capacity.  With better picture technology, sound on DVDs began to suffer in the late 90s because there is only so much data you can fit on a disc, and as the demand for better video increased, that meant less space for audio.

there is absolutely no reason why they should not be able to sell the CDs either on their own or together with the DVDs at next to no additional cost

There actually is additional cost.  Each different bundle means different packaging.  And there is a cost associated with that.  They make what seems like the most cost-effective decision in terms of how many different packaging options to offer based on how many units of a particular bundle they expect to sell.  I'm not going so far as to say that offering CDs only or a DVD/CD bundle would necessarily be cost-prohibitive, but I am just addressing your point that it basically costs "nothing."  They probably figue it is not worth it since they are offering an audio only package. 

I don't get why anyone would actually oppose the label making the CDs available in a set with the DVDs or on their own.

Wait, what?  Who is "opposing" the idea? 

[wolfking]

I think Labrie is sounding pretty good here.  Not as wavery as he was on LALP.  Looking forward to this.

Is that a solo overdub at the end of the main solo I see, or is it just a lag in the video?

[TAC]

Get a blu-ray player!

So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? 

We actually bought a BR player before LALP came out but I couldn't figure out out how to hook it up!
:oldfart

[rumborak]

Maybe I'm the only person in this forum, but to me DVD or BluRay are formats I barely even register as existing.
I would like my DT video in MKV with XVid and AAC. That way I can watch it on my laptop, my projector, my iAnus or whatever the latest device is.
Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?

[bosk1]

Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?

Uh...a BluRay player? 

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

HAs this NOT been posted yet?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DI7E_QvetVM

No, I don't think it has 

This mix is so superior to Luna Park it's ridiculous. In youtube, I put Metropolis Pt. 1 from LALP immediately after watching The Looking Glass and the difference is abyssmal.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Oh good lord I'm regretting posting in this thread.   

but you did it again anyway

[rumborak]

Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?

Uh...a BluRay player? 

They are reasonably *recent*, but they are technologically the equivalent of audio CDs, which are close to irrelevant these days. It's just by sheer data volume that video saw yet another introduction of a physical media, which is doomed to die not too far from now.

[Zook]

CDS FOREVER!

[jingle.boy]

Oh good lord I'm regretting posting in this thread.   

but you did it again anyway

It only takes one post for it to show up in my 'new replies to my posts' feed.  So more posting doesn't make a difference.  I wish there was an 'unsubscribe' option or something.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Oh. I've never even used that option.    Seemed cumbersome to me.

[Nel]

Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.

[Grizz]

You can get blu ray drives for computers and they are fairly cheap

but the encryption

Maybe I'm the only person in this forum, but to me DVD or BluRay are formats I barely even register as existing.
I would like my DT video in MKV with XVid and AAC.

I would like my DT video MKV in HEVC or JPEG2000 and FLAC. The reason you'll never see these is that it's way too easy to distribute them.

[Mosh]

Actually, I'm not crazy about the mix of ACOS. Nothing to do with the drums or anything, there's just something about it... I don't know how to describe it, but it's not great.

Agreed. I wouldn't call it bad but the youtube comment guy is right. It's a very weird mix.

[Another_Won]

You know it is possible to buy a Blu-ray and make in into a DVD, CD and play on a computer (MP4).  Just get the Blu-ray and convert it into any format you need.

[TheGreatPretender]

Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.

Well, it's not DT's fault that LALP came like, a year too late, just because some guys got too overzealous with the whole 360 degree technology.

[Skeever]

Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.

Well, it's not DT's fault that LALP came like, a year too late, just because some guys got too overzealous with the whole 360 degree technology.

i suspect that is not the reason

[TheAtliator]

Someone said "I'll stick to watching Score" in the comments... 

I mean really there will literally not be one single song in common between these two DVDs. Good thing that guy has his priorities strait and now when he wants to watch anything at all he will be watching that one DVD over and over again, taking up literally all his time and thus reassuring the world that he will never fall into the abysmal trap of watching anything else.

[hefdaddy42]

Maybe I'm the only person in this forum, but to me DVD or BluRay are formats I barely even register as existing.
I would like my DT video in MKV with XVid and AAC. That way I can watch it on my laptop, my projector, my iAnus or whatever the latest device is.
Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?

You're just too cool for school.

[King Postwhore]

 

Rumbo doesn't chill at home.  He's a man of the street!  He paints the town red.

[Grizz]

He paints the town red.

and I want it painted black

[Vipmetal]

I'm little dissapointed for the fact that John choose to do overdubs in the ending of the solo on Through the Looking Glass. Kind of spoils the idea of live performance footage. Should have done it at least so that it would not be visible for the eye...

[bl5150]

Doesn't look very high tech to me

https://www.tamtam-media.cz/en/products/ianus-xl.html

[hefdaddy42]

 

[Bertielee]

WTF?!?!? 

On a related note, MM's cymbal work is much more audible on this recording and the part before the solo is just gorgeous!

B.Lee

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Alright, I just pre-ordered and here are my thoughts of The Looking Glass mp3...


The mix is far clearer in here. The whole "it is mono" thing is proven wrong, the stereo perspective instantly jumped at me. Someone mentioned earlier that the crowd is louder and the mix is much more balanced. Mike Mangini sounds awesome, James sounds just in spot and Jordan is loud and proud.

Everything is where it's supposed to be. This is going to kick Luna Park's ass so hard!

Also, JP's vocal harmonies are far more evident and present here.

[Bertielee]

Alright, I just pre-ordered and here are my thoughts of The Looking Glass mp3...


The mix is far clearer in here. The whole "it is mono" thing is proven wrong, the stereo perspective instantly jumped at me. Someone mentioned earlier that the crowd is louder and the mix is much more balanced. Mike Mangini sounds awesome, James sounds just in spot and Jordan is loud and proud.

Everything is where it's supposed to be. This is going to kick Luna Park's ass so hard!

Also, JP's vocal harmonies are far more evident and present here.

Really good news! Thanks for the heads up!

B.Lee