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MoraWintersoul

I haven't listened to it yet, are we absolutely sure he's talking about Levin? I think he is, by the looks of it.

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
What's so hard about this?:

"Even though it would be weird, JP and JR would be really into it I think.  TL though is busy with his own stuff at the moment.  For me, JP, and JR, LTE is a really important and special part of our lives.  While TL certainly enjoyed the project and came back for a reunion in 2008, he doesn't feel nearly as emotionally attached to it.  He's doing a King Crimson reunion tour right now and god knows what else.  LTE isn't something he's super interested in right now."

Can I be hired to be MP's PR director?
I'd hire you, that's so much better than what he said.

Also, they *could* get Billy Sheehan, or Sean Malone, or whomever.

?

That LTE quote reminds me of the childish "3 DT members responded to my email, 2 didn't" tweet :facepalm: I got the impression he was referring to JP, but who knows... JP has said he's been exchanging emails with MP occasionally, but I think the scars left by the split probably haven't healed enough to make him want to work with MP yet. On the other hand, it might be that JP simply wants to concentrate on DT and use the spare time to work on his solo album.

nobloodyname


mikeyd23

Man, I keep trying to give MP the benefit of the doubt in these situations but he continues to make it difficult! In this same interview, he talks about honestly and how he is always honest with the fans and that sometimes his "honestly" makes some fans upset.  The problem is that there is a fine line between honestly and to much detail from his perspective. Usually, he ends up providing to much detail from his side of any given story and makes it look like he's throwing others under the bus. In this case it was either JP or TL from LTE (could be either one in my opinion), as ? pointed out in the past its been other DT members as well.

I agree that people should be honest, but there is a way to handle being honest with a little more tact. Ironically enough, I feel like JP is incredibly good at exactly that.  Telling the truth but presenting the truth with tact and leaving out details the general public doesn't need to know in order to not make others look bad who are involved in the situation.

phentalmyst

MP made mention of a grudge in that LTE post, which leads me to believe he's referring to JP, not TL.

KevShmev

I assumed he was talking about Petrucci, since Levin has never struck me as someone who has a problem revisiting the past (see: his recent tours with Peter Gabriel). 

As for being honest, like I've always said, sure, Portnoy tells it like it is, from it is always from his point of view, so it often comes across as a skewed distortion of the facts, ones that make him look as good as possible, and quite often someone else not so good.

Mladen

I thought you people commenting he was talking about Tony Levin were sarcastic. It's rather obvious to me that it's JP that's apparently ''holding grudges''.

gentaishinigami

Yeah... can't see that being about anyone but JP.

Some serious shit must have went down behind closed doors for JP to feel as burned as he has.  He seems to have gone into serious-business lawyer-up mode once MP left.  He's usually so cool and calm and seems like things don't much bother him.  Then again, who knows what kind of verbal exchanges could have gone down back during the break up.

You don't act like that just because the other guy wanted to leave.  There was some stuff going on/said that he took mega personally.  Knowing MP's complete lack of a verbal filter, that doesn't seem too unlikely of course.

ReaPsTA

Okay, so:

"Well, the reality is that right now JP isn't really into the idea.  When I left DT, JP took it especially hard.  All the sudden, he was forced to be a band leader.  This sounds cool, but I wanted to leave in part because I was tired of all the different responsibilities.  I mentioned that I can't talk about the legal side of went down, but it was obviously tough.  And, from DT's perspective, JP was the main person dealing with all that.  To me, that stuff is just business, but for JP I guess it isn't.  Me, JR, and TL I think would happily make a new LTE CD, but we can't do it without John.  I hope he comes around."

Madman Shepherd

Dude, he is totally talking about Tony Levin.  Remember when Mike mentioned in every interview that Levin's Chapman Stick was too small?  It got to the point where people were creating user names like "TinyTonysChapStick" and they had to bring in Chris Collins as a backup in case Levin refused to go on for their infamous Carnegie Hall show?

I probably fabricated that

But yeah, he is definitely talking about Petrucci.  JP used to say the standard "I've talked to Mike a few times and I wish him well."  One time he even divulged a little detail about how uncomfortable with the A7X tour which I was surprised at how candid he was.  As someone else stated, he is in big time "lawyer/legal mode" and says as little as possible now.  One of those most recent video interview with JP they brought up MP and he just said, "I just want to look to the future and not look at the past."  When they asked a followup question, he replied with the same "I just want to look to the future."  His second response was especially awkward.  Of course, despite its awkwardness, it was a far more classy answer than what MP just gave. 

gentaishinigami

Those fake PR answers are too long.  Just say:

"Well, I'm very busy lately with *insert project name* and I know the other guys are busy with *insert name*, but if things ever line up I'd love to make another LTE album."

puppyonacid

How about this for awkward

So MP, JR and JP get together for another LTE record and during rehearsals MP starts jamming some DT grooves life Home or 6:00 or whatever.

Or(!!) even worse, something from the last two albums!

I would not know where to put myself!

MoraWintersoul

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 09:33:39 AM
Okay, so:

"Well, the reality is that right now JP isn't really into the idea.  When I left DT, JP took it especially hard.  All the sudden, he was forced to be a band leader.  This sounds cool, but I wanted to leave in part because I was tired of all the different responsibilities.  I mentioned that I can't talk about the legal side of went down, but it was obviously tough.  And, from DT's perspective, JP was the main person dealing with all that.  To me, that stuff is just business, but for JP I guess it isn't.  Me, JR, and TL I think would happily make a new LTE CD, but we can't do it without John.  I hope he comes around."

Or, how I imagine someone more like JP would phrase it:
"I'd love to do it, and will accept the call whenever I get it."

Paints him as willing and laid-back, but puts the ball in their court.

gentaishinigami

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2014, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 09:33:39 AM
Okay, so:

"Well, the reality is that right now JP isn't really into the idea.  When I left DT, JP took it especially hard.  All the sudden, he was forced to be a band leader.  This sounds cool, but I wanted to leave in part because I was tired of all the different responsibilities.  I mentioned that I can't talk about the legal side of went down, but it was obviously tough.  And, from DT's perspective, JP was the main person dealing with all that.  To me, that stuff is just business, but for JP I guess it isn't.  Me, JR, and TL I think would happily make a new LTE CD, but we can't do it without John.  I hope he comes around."

Or, how I imagine someone more like JP would phrase it:
"I'd love to do it, and will accept the call whenever I get it."

Paints him as willing and laid-back, but puts the ball in their court.

Also not good because we're assuming JP actually doesn't want to do it as MP said, so that would allow MP to come back with "Well, I did call and he subbed me".  Gotta give an answer that says basically nothing for it to be a real pr answer!  :biggrin:

Edit: Misread, coming from MP that wouldn't be such a bad answer.

ReaPsTA

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2014, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 09:33:39 AM
Okay, so:

"Well, the reality is that right now JP isn't really into the idea.  When I left DT, JP took it especially hard.  All the sudden, he was forced to be a band leader.  This sounds cool, but I wanted to leave in part because I was tired of all the different responsibilities.  I mentioned that I can't talk about the legal side of went down, but it was obviously tough.  And, from DT's perspective, JP was the main person dealing with all that.  To me, that stuff is just business, but for JP I guess it isn't.  Me, JR, and TL I think would happily make a new LTE CD, but we can't do it without John.  I hope he comes around."

Or, how I imagine someone more like JP would phrase it:
"I'd love to do it, and will accept the call whenever I get it."

Paints him as willing and laid-back, but puts the ball in their court.

Good alternative.

I just don't like short answers that are too obviously written by PR consultants and/or lawyers.  They come off as fake in an alienating way.

gentaishinigami

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2014, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 09:33:39 AM
Okay, so:

"Well, the reality is that right now JP isn't really into the idea.  When I left DT, JP took it especially hard.  All the sudden, he was forced to be a band leader.  This sounds cool, but I wanted to leave in part because I was tired of all the different responsibilities.  I mentioned that I can't talk about the legal side of went down, but it was obviously tough.  And, from DT's perspective, JP was the main person dealing with all that.  To me, that stuff is just business, but for JP I guess it isn't.  Me, JR, and TL I think would happily make a new LTE CD, but we can't do it without John.  I hope he comes around."

Or, how I imagine someone more like JP would phrase it:
"I'd love to do it, and will accept the call whenever I get it."

Paints him as willing and laid-back, but puts the ball in their court.

Good alternative.

I just don't like short answers that are too obviously written by PR consultants and/or lawyers.  They come off as fake in an alienating way.

Indeed, but that's how you kinda have to give interviews so that they don't get twisted around or make you sound bad later.

MP knows this though, he just chooses not to follow it.  He basically said the above in that youtube interview.  Maybe hes a masochist and secretly enjoys it.  :P

Madman Shepherd

Quote from: puppyonacid on June 09, 2014, 09:53:47 AM
How about this for awkward

So MP, JR and JP get together for another LTE record and during rehearsals MP starts jamming some DT grooves life Home or 6:00 or whatever.

Or(!!) even worse, something from the last two albums!

I would not know where to put myself!

haha, I could only imagine

MP: "Hey guys, remember THIS one?!"  *plays 6:00 intro*

JP: "Yeah, Mangini played it with us on the last tour.  Sounded great."

MP: *sad face*

Grizz

Quote from: Madman Shepherd on June 09, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: puppyonacid on June 09, 2014, 09:53:47 AM
How about this for awkward

So MP, JR and JP get together for another LTE record and during rehearsals MP starts jamming some DT grooves life Home or 6:00 or whatever.

Or(!!) even worse, something from the last two albums!

I would not know where to put myself!

haha, I could only imagine

MP: "Hey guys, remember THIS one?!"  *plays 6:00 intro*

JP: "Yeah, Mangini played it with us on the last tour.  Sounded great."

MP: *sad face*
What if he started playing one of the MM-era songs?

Madman Shepherd

Quote from: Grizz on June 09, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on June 09, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: puppyonacid on June 09, 2014, 09:53:47 AM
How about this for awkward

So MP, JR and JP get together for another LTE record and during rehearsals MP starts jamming some DT grooves life Home or 6:00 or whatever.

Or(!!) even worse, something from the last two albums!

I would not know where to put myself!

haha, I could only imagine

MP: "Hey guys, remember THIS one?!"  *plays 6:00 intro*

JP: "Yeah, Mangini played it with us on the last tour.  Sounded great."

MP: *sad face*
What if he started playing one of the MM-era songs?

Well its kind of like a marriage.  If you got back with your ex would you want to look through his vacation pictures and sex tapes with their ummm, other drummer? 

:marriageanalogy:

Zook


The Letter M


Skeever


rumborak

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2014, 04:15:54 AM
I haven't listened to it yet, are we absolutely sure he's talking about Levin? I think he is, by the looks of it.

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
What's so hard about this?:

"Even though it would be weird, JP and JR would be really into it I think.  TL though is busy with his own stuff at the moment.  For me, JP, and JR, LTE is a really important and special part of our lives.  While TL certainly enjoyed the project and came back for a reunion in 2008, he doesn't feel nearly as emotionally attached to it.  He's doing a King Crimson reunion tour right now and god knows what else.  LTE isn't something he's super interested in right now."

Can I be hired to be MP's PR director?
I'd hire you, that's so much better than what he said.

Also, they *could* get Billy Sheehan, or Sean Malone, or whomever.

The guy from Cheers plays bass? Who knew.

MoraWintersoul

Do I have to google that reference because I'm 21, or...?  :-\

Setlist Scotty

Quote from: rumborak on June 09, 2014, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2014, 04:15:54 AM
I haven't listened to it yet, are we absolutely sure he's talking about Levin? I think he is, by the looks of it.

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
What's so hard about this?:

"Even though it would be weird, JP and JR would be really into it I think.  TL though is busy with his own stuff at the moment.  For me, JP, and JR, LTE is a really important and special part of our lives.  While TL certainly enjoyed the project and came back for a reunion in 2008, he doesn't feel nearly as emotionally attached to it.  He's doing a King Crimson reunion tour right now and god knows what else.  LTE isn't something he's super interested in right now."

Can I be hired to be MP's PR director?
I'd hire you, that's so much better than what he said.

Also, they *could* get Billy Sheehan, or Sean Malone, or whomever.

The guy from Cheers plays bass? Who knew.
You clearly didn't. Sean Malone plays bass. Sam Malone on Cheers played baseball.
rumby = FAIL

hefdaddy42


bosk1


Anguyen92

Quote from: gentaishinigami on June 09, 2014, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2014, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 09, 2014, 09:33:39 AM
Okay, so:

"Well, the reality is that right now JP isn't really into the idea.  When I left DT, JP took it especially hard.  All the sudden, he was forced to be a band leader.  This sounds cool, but I wanted to leave in part because I was tired of all the different responsibilities.  I mentioned that I can't talk about the legal side of went down, but it was obviously tough.  And, from DT's perspective, JP was the main person dealing with all that.  To me, that stuff is just business, but for JP I guess it isn't.  Me, JR, and TL I think would happily make a new LTE CD, but we can't do it without John.  I hope he comes around."

Or, how I imagine someone more like JP would phrase it:
"I'd love to do it, and will accept the call whenever I get it."

Paints him as willing and laid-back, but puts the ball in their court.

Also not good because we're assuming JP actually doesn't want to do it as MP said, so that would allow MP to come back with "Well, I did call and he subbed me".  Gotta give an answer that says basically nothing for it to be a real pr answer!  :biggrin:

Catching up on some of these posts, but :tup .  I thought the exact same thought you did except I thought he would say "I did call you, and you didn't pick up, you bas*ard" except he would not say bas*ard since no one says that in this scenario.

425

Quote from: ? on June 09, 2014, 05:26:40 AM
That LTE quote reminds me of the childish "3 DT members responded to my email, 2 didn't" tweet :facepalm: I got the impression he was referring to JP, but who knows... JP has said he's been exchanging emails with MP occasionally, but I think the scars left by the split probably haven't healed enough to make him want to work with MP yet. On the other hand, it might be that JP simply wants to concentrate on DT and use the spare time to work on his solo album.

I don't think this has been brought up with regard to this (and I don't want to stir the pot too much, but I think this is relevant and interesting enough to at least be worthy of brief discussion), but I think it's worth mentioning since this I think is the first clear indication we've had that things aren't okay between MP and JP: I don't remember the scenario and information surrounding that tweet—I wasn't around at the time—but is there any possibility that JP was not one of the three? I mean, I know it was assumed that the three were JP, JR and MM, but is it possible that this assumption was false and it was JR, MM and either JLB or JMX?

Zook

Considering how much shit was said about JLB in the guise of others comments and his own, I doubt JLB will ever speak to MP again.

King Postwhore

"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

ReaPsTA

The three members are obviously JP (if only because of legal stuff), JR (who I think is the only current member of the band to have seen MP in person since he left) and MM (who's said publicly multiple times that he considers MP a friend).

?

Quote from: 425 on June 11, 2014, 08:00:18 PM
Quote from: ? on June 09, 2014, 05:26:40 AM
That LTE quote reminds me of the childish "3 DT members responded to my email, 2 didn't" tweet :facepalm: I got the impression he was referring to JP, but who knows... JP has said he's been exchanging emails with MP occasionally, but I think the scars left by the split probably haven't healed enough to make him want to work with MP yet. On the other hand, it might be that JP simply wants to concentrate on DT and use the spare time to work on his solo album.

I don't think this has been brought up with regard to this (and I don't want to stir the pot too much, but I think this is relevant and interesting enough to at least be worthy of brief discussion), but I think it's worth mentioning since this I think is the first clear indication we've had that things aren't okay between MP and JP: I don't remember the scenario and information surrounding that tweet—I wasn't around at the time—but is there any possibility that JP was not one of the three? I mean, I know it was assumed that the three were JP, JR and MM, but is it possible that this assumption was false and it was JR, MM and either JLB or JMX?
It was around the time DT got their first Grammy nomination, and MP said he congratulated them. I'm pretty sure James and JMX were the ones who didn't reply (can't blame them). It seems that JP is ok with being in contact with MP, but it's not like they're friends again. I wish MP would've simply said "I emailed them congratulating on the Grammy nomination" instead of playing the victim card again...


mikeyd23

Yeah I'd guess the 2 members that didn't respond were JLB and JMX.  It seems like those were the relationships that were most strained before MP left DT and have continued to be strained since his departure.