Author Topic: The Jazz Thread (Read 110665 times)

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #560 on:** October 13, 2011, 01:07:37 AM »

Okay, so I've given the BB Sessions a good introductory listen.

Quote from: PuffyPat on August 22, 2011, 12:31:35 AM

With the Bitches Brew Sessions, I heard a lot of mixed reviews saying it wasn't rally the whole thing, and wasn't really that great, or that it was phenomenal and a 'must buy' for any jazz fans. I ended up not getting it because while I liked BB, I didn't care for it as much as other things he's done. I prefer In a Silent Way to Bitches Brew, so I feel like I would enjoy sessions. Won't know until I listen though...

If you preferred IASW to BB, there's actually quite some chance you might like the BB Sessions.

Basically, after BB, they abandon much of the funk and rock side they were exploring on that album and return to a VERY spaced out vibe. Most of the tracks on here are long, slow, repetitive, ambient-esque, Eastern-influenced pieces. Imagine IASW crossed with traditional Indian music and you have the post-BB sessions. I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like this, especially if they went into it expecting more stuff like BB, but considering I love Indian music, I'm certainly very happy to have heard Miles explore in this direction.

One precaution though: other than Miles himself, there is fairly little soloing per se on this material. Most of the time, everyone else is just contributing to the atmosphere and the core sound.

On a separate note, I also recently bought The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. Holy crap, what an album. In terms of composition and the density of the sound, this is probably the most complex jazz I've ever heard.

Nihil-Morari · « **Reply #561 on:** October 13, 2011, 01:16:34 AM »

Just posting "The Drums Were Yellow" By Allan Holdsworth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7R_x8ihC80

Oh. My. God.

SPNKr · « **Reply #562 on:** October 13, 2011, 04:13:51 AM »

Quote from: SPNKr on August 14, 2011, 07:31:36 PM

If you listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHHqTrObEM you know it's already worth it. straight away sounds like soul. also the song on there, Yaphet, has a tasty bass riff from Dave Holland.

Oh and I forgot to mention that for the first time I noticed actual dynamic build ups and climaxes on this particular CD version I bought. It was way more effective than what I had before and having the volume cranked up, unexpecting this variety of dynamics in the music, gave me chills.

Quote from: MasterShakezula on August 14, 2011, 08:12:51 PM

Checked out Corrado; kickass cut, my man!

It's so R&B-ish, yet so evil and twisted; if that's the sorta quality to expect of the other bonuses in that boxset, I'm so getting it!

That and the In A Silent Way one. I'd love to see how the tunes sounded in their original, unedited/spliced forms.

Quote from: SPNKr on August 14, 2011, 08:17:26 PM

yep, it has more strange and fairly evil stuff on it. But also some craziness captured on the final album. Big difference is there are no edits here, at least I can't hear any, whereas on IASW and BB they're quite obvious at times.
Definitely will be grabbing the IASW Sessions some time when I have the time. I just have a sickening amount of music to plough through lately.

Forgot to mention the complete BBs have a sitar player, Khalil Balakrishna, almost throughout, and this track called Lonely Fire has some eastern and spanish essence. If you think about the atmosphere and amount of space in Sketches Of Spain then introduce some avant-garde instruments to the jazz based music, you get this interesting and odd result found in that song.

Just an old conversation i had with seb there. should clear up some more curiosities and explanations of the complete bitches set.

Vlasto · « **Reply #563 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:50:10 PM »

Has 'Norah Jones - Come Away With Me' been already mentioned?

Total blast for me...

Nihil-Morari · « **Reply #564 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:57:22 PM »

A couple of days ago I saw some sort of "Ultimate Jazz Box" 20cd's each covering a legendary jazz artist.
Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Oscar Peterson, Charlie Parker and the usual ones.
Next to that there were some arbitrary picks: Scott Joplin, Pat Metheny, John Scofield etc.

And Norah Jones.

Now I'm sorry, but what?

Vlasto · « **Reply #565 on:** October 14, 2011, 12:12:18 AM »

Quote from: Nihil-Morari on October 13, 2011, 11:57:22 PM

....
And Norah Jones.

Now I'm sorry, but what?

Ok...I mean that album...just that album...

Nihil-Morari · « **Reply #566 on:** October 14, 2011, 05:55:26 AM »

Oh yeah, apart from any classifications it's a good album.
Smoothy background stuff, she has a great tone in her voice.

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #567 on:** October 14, 2011, 08:48:00 AM »

I find her next album, what's it called, Looks Like Home(?), a bit better than her first. They're both pretty good albums though.

MetalManiac666 · « **Reply #568 on:** October 20, 2011, 08:41:21 PM »

So I'm currently taking my first real foray into the world of free jazz with Ascension...

...what the fuck did I get myself in to?!

Nihil-Morari · « **Reply #569 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:10:43 AM »

Quote from: MetalManiac666 on October 20, 2011, 08:41:21 PM

So I'm currently taking my first real foray into the world of free jazz with Ascension...

...what the fuck did I get myself in to?!

You're doomed. Byebye!

nakedman · « **Reply #570 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:11:41 AM »

Don't know of these people have been brought up, but how about some Brad Mehldau?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DACRXmimmpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_tbVd2qm9E&feature=related He is def the best modern Jazz Pianist, imo.

Also, Aaron Parks, James Farm, and Avashai Cohen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppUzxHTs7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2UnOVRFgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq0LjPFtyLw

AWESOME FUN-JAZZ-FUSION Snarky Puppy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDYwWqBnd8

Shit, Jazz rules.

obscure · « **Reply #571 on:** October 21, 2011, 03:04:43 AM »

^I didn't know that Jamesman has a twin-bro at the forums....

darkshade · « **Reply #572 on:** October 21, 2011, 01:06:14 PM »

I have a Pat Metheny album with Brad Mehldau, a quartet album. It's a really good modern post-bop album.

There's another one with just Metheny and Mehldau as a duo, and Ive heard it before, but it bored me a little bit.

antigoon · « **Reply #573 on:** October 21, 2011, 01:19:02 PM »

Quote from: nakedman on October 21, 2011, 02:11:41 AM

Don't know of these people have been brought up, but how about some Brad Mehldau?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DACRXmimmpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_tbVd2qm9E&feature=related He is def the best modern Jazz Pianist, imo.

Love Mehldau. Don't Be Sad is a beast of a tune.

darkshade · « **Reply #574 on:** October 21, 2011, 01:51:52 PM »

Anyone looking for more jazz discussion than this thread (which is a great thread) should head over here.https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp
We're looking for new members. You can discuss any genre and style of jazz, and even related genres like funk, soul, hip-hop, etc... It's a fun place!

https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp

main site - https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #575 on:** October 24, 2011, 11:15:23 PM »

I'm a lurker there. I may as well join, sooner or later; it's a snazzy site!

Anyhoo, what's yer guys' say on Grant Green?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXwwi19eQng

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #576 on:** October 25, 2011, 03:04:29 AM »

The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady has been seriously kicking my ass in the last few weeks. It's quite hard to wrap your head around at first, but I'm starting to think this might be one of the better jazz albums I've heard.

darkshade · « **Reply #577 on:** October 26, 2011, 10:26:46 AM »

I need some Grant Green. Been overlooking his work for too long

kirbywelch92 · « **Reply #578 on:** October 27, 2011, 10:57:03 AM »

Jamesman I actually saw Snarky Puppy here at UNT a few weeks ago. Best live performance I've ever seen.

MetropolisxPt1 · « **Reply #579 on:** October 28, 2011, 09:09:09 PM »

Ive been hooked on Roy Hargrove quintet - earfood

Strasburg St.Denis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeb0cwjE8U

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #580 on:** October 30, 2011, 12:16:53 PM »

It appears I'm developing a tolerance for big band.

For the longest time, I've been way combo-biased and unable to really wrap myself around the bigger ensembles, but lately, I've been revisiting some albums I have in that area, and browsing more stuff on YouTube, and I'm digging it.

Anyone here really in the know, in terms of big band?

ytserush · « **Reply #581 on:** November 03, 2011, 08:30:57 PM »

Quote from: MasterShakezula on October 30, 2011, 12:16:53 PM

It appears I'm developing a tolerance for big band.

For the longest time, I've been way combo-biased and unable to really wrap myself around the bigger ensembles, but lately, I've been revisiting some albums I have in that area, and browsing more stuff on YouTube, and I'm digging it.

Anyone here really in the know, in terms of big band?

Buddy Rich.

My favorites also include Paul Whiteman, Henry James, Woody Herman, Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Glenn Miller, Count Basie and Duke Ellington. There's a ton more out there and most of it is out of print and lost to the sands of time unfortunately.

I'm by no means an expert but this quick Google search offers this brief history lesson.

https://www.swingmusic.net/getready.html.

PuffyPat · « **Reply #582 on:** November 06, 2011, 11:26:42 PM »

I feel like I haven't listened to anything new in a while. Someone give me suggestions.

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #583 on:** November 06, 2011, 11:29:22 PM »

Stan Kenton.

I've only heard a couple songs, like The Peanut Vendor and Cuban Fire, but what I've heard is awesome!

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #584 on:** November 09, 2011, 03:16:19 AM »

Has anyone else heard On the Corner?

Strange album. I'm gonna give it a LOT of time yet, but at the moment, after three or four listens, I don't think I'm going to like this as much as his other three main fusion albums. It's quite a difficult album to really get a grip on.

comfortablydumb · « **Reply #585 on:** November 09, 2011, 03:49:54 AM »

Quote from: Nihil-Morari on October 13, 2011, 01:16:34 AM

Just posting "The Drums Were Yellow" By Allan Holdsworth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7R_x8ihC80

Oh. My. God.

Yes. I love that album and Holdsworth. Also, the title track from that album, Sixteen men of Tain, is amazing.

darkshade · « **Reply #586 on:** November 09, 2011, 10:18:49 AM »

Quote from: Fluffy Lothario on November 09, 2011, 03:16:19 AM

Has anyone else heard On the Corner?

Strange album. I'm gonna give it a LOT of time yet, but at the moment, after three or four listens, I don't think I'm going to like this as much as his other three main fusion albums. It's quite a difficult album to really get a grip on.

Yes. Though not one of my favorites from 70s Miles, it has some redeeming qualities, mostly in the title track. The album is very repetitive; or ostinato. I don't listen to it much, but once in a while I'll throw it on, but mostly for backround music.

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #587 on:** November 09, 2011, 02:56:18 PM »

That's the kind of fate I felt this album might eventually have for me, which saddens me, because it's 70s Miles, and the rest of 70s Miles is stunning.

And you're right, thus far, the first two tracks hold my attention far better than the second two.

darkshade · « **Reply #588 on:** November 09, 2011, 07:15:55 PM »

Pretty much all the other 70s Miles albums are great.

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #589 on:** November 09, 2011, 09:53:23 PM »

After another listen, I think it's One and One that's killing Side B for me. That song is just the beat of Helen Butte/Mr Freedom X with nothing interesting going on, and after six minutes of that, you reach HB/MFX and it immediately sounds a bit tired, even though they end up doing things with the beat on that track and there are some good solos. So I think if I cut OAO from the album, I'll enjoy that last track a lot more.

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #590 on:** November 25, 2011, 01:54:29 AM »

Have warmed quite a bit to On the Corner without One and One. I'd still say it's my least favourite of the four Miles fusion studio albums, but it's definitely very good, especially the first side.

I've finally been giving the Jack Johnson Sessions their first listen over the last few days. This is really solid stuff. As can be expected, a LOT of the rock edge that was brought forward on the album is here. Also extremely funky though, which I wasn't particularly expecting. But the main feeling I get is that whereas both the IASW and BB Sessions material both came across feeling like jams which Teo had touched up and edited and crafted into compositions, here, on JJ, most of it feels like just raw jam takes, more or less untouched. Which is no problem, because these are some great raw jams, and it gives a lot of the pieces a grittier tone that I really like.

I also forked out some serious cash a little while back and bought the On the Corner Sessions (in fact, that was where my On the Corner came from, as the original album is on the last disc). I won't be listening to that for a while, gonna give the BB Sessions, the JJ Sessions, On the Corner (the album) and Live-Evil all a bit of time yet.

But I now have everything Miles put out between 1968 and 1975, except for Filles de Kilimanjaro (and 2 of the 5 tracks on that are in the Silent Way Sessions set) and a few live albums.

darkshade · « **Reply #591 on:** November 25, 2011, 11:22:16 AM »

^ Do you have any of the "Lost Quintet" albums? "It's About That Time" and "Black Beauty" are the best ones.

Fluffy Lothario · « **Reply #592 on:** November 25, 2011, 05:49:35 PM »

Nah, the only live shows I've heard are Live-Evil and Agharta (although I have Pangaea, which I was going to listen to after I've digested the On the Corner Sessions).

I was planning on getting hold of It's About That Time (which I've heard is amongst the very best moments in the Miles fusion canon) and Dark Magus, and wasn't sure on Black Beauty.

bout to crash · « **Reply #593 on:** November 25, 2011, 11:37:33 PM »

Been so out of the jazz loop lately but saw an incredible show tonight from the amazing local Ken Walker Sextet (they play the last Friday of every month but I haven't caught them in a while).
Peter Sommer is just

darkshade · « **Reply #594 on:** November 26, 2011, 10:03:42 AM »

Didn't know you didn't have Dark Magus. THAT album is essential for a serious 70s Miles collection. I think it's what you may have wanted On The Corner to be (it is for me).

IATT and Black Beauty are awesome. Chick Corea lay down some nasty electric piano work, and Wayne Shorter is on IATT before he left Miles' band.

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Author Topic: The Jazz Thread (Read 110665 times)