NFL thread 2014 v. Frankford Yellow Jackets Lay the Pipe on the Dayton Triangles

[bosk1]

Personally, my top 3, in order would be something like:

1.  NFL refs
2.  49ers
3.  Seahawks

[Tom Bombadil]

I think those are very fair rankings Kev

[jingle.boy]

Profootball mock had some good moments this week:

JOHN HARBAUGH
What a comeback! What a victory! WHAT A PROUD WEEK FOR THE ENTIRE BALTIMORE RAVENS ORGANIZATION!

JOHN HARBAUGH
WE SLIPPED BY THE BROWNS LIKE AN INCRIMINATING VIDEO OF RAY RICE PAST ROGER GOODELL’S OFFICE!

[black_biff_stadler]

I was realizing how, by 4:50 remaining in the first quarter, the Saints had actually scored all the points they'd need to win the game, 13, since the Vikings ended up only scoring 9. I realize there are probably teams who've accomplished this even more quickly. Does anyone know how to look up such a record cuz I'm kind of at a loss as to how I would phrase such a search. I imagine it probably occurred during a shutout though it's possible it didn't.

[Dr. DTVT]

I'm sure some team returned the opening kickoff, and then went on to either shut out or hold their opponent to just a FG or two.

[jingle.boy]

I'm sure some team returned the opening kickoff, and then went on to either shut out or hold their opponent to just a FG or two.

That's probably the place to start, since an opening TD return is the second fastest score possible.  I think an opening touchback, and then a 1st play 80-yard catch/run would technically be the fastest possible score - eliminates the clock time an opening return would take to actually get to the 20.

Good luck with that.  I look forward to the trivia poll on FB later.

[yorost]

Well, if you want to talk fastest possible score you need to get creative. An opening kickoff misplayed by the receiving team and recovered by the kicking team in the endzone, would be a score with no time taken off the clock. The fastest possible scores are all going to involve the kickoff team scoring or a lot of presnap penalties to move the ball.

edit: Yeah, looks like the Steelers scored a safety one second into a game last year. ...but no shutout. 

[El Barto]

Wow, that dude didn't even know he screwed up. 

Record for the fastest touchdown was an opening onside kickoff returned 37 yds for a TD in 3 seconds.

[yorost]

That's some amazing clock oversight, in both games, if a 37 yard return officially took less time than a kneel down. Tops 2 seconds on that safety, clock shows 1 second. A full uniform return covering 37 yards in 3 seconds, too?

[jingle.boy]

Or an opening touch back with a quick fumble return or pick-six.  That would likely be somewhere between 5-10 seconds.

[jammindude]

...or a snap over the QB's head into the endzone...

 

[jingle.boy]

...or a snap over the QB's head into the endzone...

 

[black_biff_stadler]

The Saints held the record for fastest score ever for a few years and did it by returning the Panthers' fumbled kickoff 12 seconds into a game. Some team then did basically the same thing but quicker a few years later. I still just wish we could come up with a way to figure this out conclusively. It's just so weird in a depressing way when you think that there have been several games where teams had already lost the game in the first quarter in theory.

[KevShmev]

Eli and the Giants look really good early on; Cousins and the Redskins do not.

[jingle.boy]

Oh, right... it's Thursday.

[El Barto]

Christ, Cousins has completely imploded. Those B2B picks were really dumb passes.

[KevShmev]

Three INTs in the 3rd quarter, all of them awful.   

Considering how bad Eli Manning has looked for the last year plus, it is shocking how good he looks again tonight. 

[El Barto]

Really awful. They'd be better of with Garo Yepremian under center.

[KevShmev]

Cousins looks awful.  That Joe Theismann sure is a genius.

[Dr. DTVT]

Fuck me in the goat ass.  I picked up Eli for this week since Payton is on bye and I forget to put him in the lineup.

[Neon]

We do a pool at work- about an hour ago I got a text from the guy who runs it:  "Out of 18 people you're the only one who picked the Giants to win tonight."

GO ME!!

As of right now, I'M WINNING THE POOL 

[black_biff_stadler]

You're the Neon Deion of picking.

[Neon]

You're the Neon Deion of picking.

Let's just hope it continues through the weekend.   

[KevShmev]

How does Jim Haslett still have a job as a DC in the NFL?  Seriously?  His defense have almost always underachieved or sucked.

His defenses in Pittsburgh in the late 90s were very good, but they were better before he got there and better after he left.

His Rams defenses ranked 23rd, 21st and 28th.

His Redskin defenses have ranked 31st, 13th, 28th and 18th from 2010-2013, yet he was retained as DC despite them getting a new head coach, and hey look, their defense looked like an utter joke again tonight. 

Him still working as a DC is as inexplicable as Brian Scottenheimer still being an OC.

[black_biff_stadler]

Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Cousins looks awful.  That Joe Theismann sure is a genius.

You're right. They should disregard all of the other issues that went into this team loss, isolate the QB who was under duress all game and throw him under the bus.

One game a career doesn't make, one way or the other. The jury's still out on Cousins.

[KevShmev]

Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.

I left that out cause he was the head coach; I was focusing on just his ineptitude as a DC.

Cousins looks awful.  That Joe Theismann sure is a genius.

You're right. They should disregard all of the other issues that went into this team loss, isolate the QB who was under duress all game and throw him under the bus.

One game a career doesn't make, one way or the other. The jury's still out on Cousins.

I agree, but he looked dreadful last night.  You cannot deny that.

Also, since you were the one who invited this Cousins/RG3 comparison, here is how each has done in their first six NFL starts:

Cousins: 10 total TDs (10 passing and 0 rushing) and 11 INTs, with the Redskins going 1-5.
RG3: 11 total TDs (6 passing and 5 rushing) and 2 INTs. with the Redskins going 3-3.

 

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.

I left that out cause he was the head coach; I was focusing on just his ineptitude as a DC.

Cousins looks awful.  That Joe Theismann sure is a genius.

You're right. They should disregard all of the other issues that went into this team loss, isolate the QB who was under duress all game and throw him under the bus.

One game a career doesn't make, one way or the other. The jury's still out on Cousins.

I agree, but he looked dreadful last night.  You cannot deny that.

Also, since you were the one who invited this Cousins/RG3 comparison, here is how each has done in their first six NFL starts:

Cousins: 10 total TDs (10 passing and 0 rushing) and 11 INTs, with the Redskins going 1-5.
RG3: 11 total TDs (6 passing and 5 rushing) and 2 INTs. with the Redskins going 3-3.

 

Yes.... he looked dreadful. There's no denying that.

Nice comparison for each player's first 6 starts. Here's another QB's stats after his first 6 games.

Peyton Manning: 6 total TDs (6 Passing and 0 rushing) and 14 INTs, with the Colts going 1-5.
 

Too many variables to make any kind of call based on six starts.

[KevShmev]

Except that Peyton Manning is not a part of this conversation or comparison, but nice try.

Cousins has only started 6 games, so it only makes sense to compare his 6 starts to RG3's first 6 starts, the big difference of course being that Cousins has had more weapons to throw to in his starts than RG3 did at the beginning of 2012.  I mean, how do Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson catch only a combined 3 balls last night?  Bad quarterback play, that's how.  Cousins has "career backup QB written" all over him.  RG3 might very well have "injury-prone QB" written all over him, which isn't good either, but from what we've seen out of both so far in the NFL, RG3's best is far better than Cousins' best, and Cousins' worst is way lower than RG3's worst.  In other words, RG3 has a much higher ceiling, while Cousins has a much lower floor.

[Dr. DTVT]

I didn't see the game last night, but a Thursday game is never the measuring stick you want to use because the lack of preparation.

Cousins is getting first team snaps now, but he hasn't been getting them in the past.  RG3 has been getting first team snaps since last season, so it is going to take a little bit before the foreskins truly know what they have with Cousins.

[hefdaddy42]

the foreskins

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Except that Peyton Manning is not a part of this conversation or comparison, but nice try.

Cousins has only started 6 games, so it only makes sense to compare his 6 starts to RG3's first 6 starts, the big difference of course being that Cousins has had more weapons to throw to in his starts than RG3 did at the beginning of 2012.  I mean, how do Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson catch only a combined 3 balls last night?  Bad quarterback play, that's how.  Cousins has "career backup QB written" all over him.  RG3 might very well have "injury-prone QB" written all over him, which isn't good either, but from what we've seen out of both so far in the NFL, RG3's best is far better than Cousins' best, and Cousins' worst is way lower than RG3's worst.  In other words, RG3 has a much higher ceiling, while Cousins has a much lower floor.

I brought Manning and his stats up to prove how nonsensical it is to use Griffin and Cousins' first six games stats to try to prove your point. Once again.... far too many variables... and if you can't grasp that, or refuse to acknowledge it, then there's really no point in anyone debating football with you. 

[KevShmev]

I never said other variables didn't matter - I simply made a comparison of their first six NFL starts - but you are the one who has been beating the "Cousins might be better than RG3" drum for a long time, basing it on almost nothing ("He looks great in practice!" "Joe Theismann says so!"), and now that Cousins is starting and playing terrible more often than not (he was dreadful in the 4th quarter last week of a close game and awful last night), you want to throw out the "variables" excuse, when you damn well if he had played extremely well so far and the Redskins were winning, you would have been in here spouting off about it. 

There is still plenty of football to be played, and my gut tells me that RG3 will never be able to stay healthy enough to be as great as he was his rookie year, but Cousins will never be anything more than a good backup who throws out the occasional good start when given the opportunity; that is my guess.  Watching Cousins last night, it was like watching the bad Jay Cutler - bad decisions all over the place and just flinging balls all over the field in the hopes that something works out.

[jingle.boy]

But it does beg the question... there's a "good" Jay Cutler?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

I never said other variables didn't matter - I simply made a comparison of their first six NFL starts - but you are the one who has been beating the "Cousins might be better than RG3" drum for a long time, basing it on almost nothing ("He looks great in practice!" "Joe Theismann says so!"), and now that Cousins is starting and playing terrible more often than not (he was dreadful in the 4th quarter last week of a close game and awful last night), you want to throw out the "variables" excuse, when you damn well if he had played extremely well so far and the Redskins were winning, you would have been in here spouting off about it.

There is still plenty of football to be played, and my gut tells me that RG3 will never be able to stay healthy enough to be as great as he was his rookie year, but Cousins will never be anything more than a good backup who throws out the occasional good start when given the opportunity; that is my guess.  Watching Cousins last night, it was like watching the bad Jay Cutler - bad decisions all over the place and just flinging balls all over the field in the hopes that something works out.

I proved that the "first six" argument/comparison held no merit. No need to dwell on it.

As for the bolded text, kindly quote any posts that I made in that nature after Washington's drubbing of Jacksonville, or Cousins' 400+ yard performance @Philly (because I kept it in perspective). But what you will find is me attributing Cousins' first pass going for a TD to a blown coverage. So I think you're barking up the wrong tree with that mess.