Author Topic: Between the Buried and Me (Read 131616 times)

Kilgore Trout · « **Reply #210 on:** December 29, 2014, 04:03:02 PM »

The "news" is that they are actually recording, which is a level of concreteness Tool hasn't reached for eight years.

Dark Castle · « **Reply #211 on:** December 29, 2014, 04:05:06 PM »

We've known for months now that they'd be recording around this time though lol.

ThatOneGuy2112 · « **Reply #212 on:** December 29, 2014, 10:21:22 PM »

I guess just receiving confirmation is bound to generate some sorts of hype. I expected it, but am still stoked nonetheless.

TioJorge · « **Reply #213 on:** December 30, 2014, 11:34:11 AM »

I completely forgot or missed the news that they'd be starting now, so this was news to me. But yeah FUCK CONFIRMATIONS, THEY'RE FOR NOOBS.

I love confirmation. It's a beautiful thing. So here's to that.

Moor · « **Reply #214 on:** January 09, 2015, 12:07:42 AM »

https://emptylighthouse.com/between-buried-and-me-start-tracking-rock-opera-today-451101667

A rock opera ?? What does it mean? Can anyone give an example?

TioJorge · « **Reply #215 on:** January 09, 2015, 12:19:22 AM »

Hmmm... Now, I'm sure it's not going to be what I'm imagining right now, but I don't really like the words 'rock opera' combined with BTBAM. Granted, again, I've no idea what to expect, but I've never been a fan of rock operas or that type of style. At all. But perhaps BTBAM can break that opinion, and if anyone could, it'd be them. I suppose I got what I wished though, in that I wanted them to do something drastically different. So...

I am excited to see what comes of this though. It's better than getting the same old stuff regurgitated.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #216 on:** January 09, 2015, 12:26:01 AM »

I'm almost completely sure that Tommy referred to the Parallax albums as rock operas as well. I think they just mean the album has a storyline. That's how I took it, anyway.

ariich · « **Reply #217 on:** January 09, 2015, 02:04:12 AM »

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2015, 12:26:01 AM

I'm almost completely sure that Tommy referred to the Parallax albums as rock operas as well. I think they just mean the album has a storyline. That's how I took it, anyway.

Yeah that's normally how the phrase "rock opera" is used, so I'm assuming he basically means concept album.

wolfking · « **Reply #218 on:** January 09, 2015, 04:20:42 AM »

I hope you guys are right. I don't really want them changing their style at all to be honest.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #219 on:** January 10, 2015, 08:08:09 AM »

I very highly doubt they mean rock opera in the sense of something like Bat Out of Hell. I don't see them changing their style that drastically.

orcus116 · « **Reply #220 on:** January 10, 2015, 09:28:38 AM »

Rock opera? What the hell is going on with this band?

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #221 on:** January 10, 2015, 09:34:32 AM »

Setting this thing to rest for good:

https://www.kzsc.org/blog/2013/03/07/interview-with-gojiras-joe-duplantier/

Quote

Brootalisk: How did you feel about the critical acclaim towards The Parallax II? Do you think it’s been a long time coming, or were you surprised to see it atop many year end lists?

Dan Briggs: Definitely not. We set out to kind of make our own version of a rock opera, just trying to make an over the top, thematic, progressive metal, operatic story, and it ended up being 70 something minutes long

He's referring to Parallax II as a rock opera. They're not dramatically changing their style as far as we know. Everyone can quit flipping the fuck out now.

orcus116 · « **Reply #222 on:** January 10, 2015, 09:37:44 AM »

I just wish they'd bring back more Alaska style song writing but I know deep down that's never going to happen.

me7 · « **Reply #223 on:** January 10, 2015, 10:25:27 AM »

The term "rock opera" isn't related to operatic vocals. A rock opera is merely a concept album with a storyline.

PROGdrummer · « **Reply #224 on:** January 10, 2015, 04:43:43 PM »

Operation: Mindcrime is a rock opera
Scenes From A Memory is a rock opera
Bohemian Rhapsody is a rock opera
Ziltoid The Omniscient is a rock opera
Still Life is a rock opera
Parallax II is a rock opera

Some are more like "metal operas", but the point still remains.
Rock opera is almost synonymous with "concept album".
Its just a large, theatrical, over the top story driven musical piece.

NOT LITERALLY OPERA MUSIC.

orcus116 · « **Reply #225 on:** January 10, 2015, 04:48:49 PM »

Who would even think it's actual opera?

me7 · « **Reply #226 on:** January 10, 2015, 05:00:25 PM »

Quote from: orcus116 on January 10, 2015, 04:48:49 PM

Who would even think it's actual opera?

According to their reactions, several people in this thread

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #227 on:** January 10, 2015, 05:13:31 PM »

Although, now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that would be cool. I'd like to hear Tommy sing opera.

No, wait, even better idea. Tommy doing RORORO over opera music. Now that would be awesome.

TioJorge · « **Reply #228 on:** January 10, 2015, 06:03:49 PM »

I don't think anyone is flipping the fuck out, nor did I personally think it was an opera. Jesus fuck, you fuckers. YOU RUDE FUCKERS.

I was misunderstanding the term rock opera though, and did not know that any of the aforementioned albums prog listed were considered 'rock operas', which is apparently completely synonymous with 'concept album'...which I think sounds fuckin' ludicrous. They're concept albums; I have literally never once in all my years here or in the musical world in real life heard Mindcrime, Scenes, Parralax, or any other concept album referred to as a fucking rock opera.

Not once until now. It's either a new trend or I have completely and utterly missed anyone calling it that, and for good reason...cause it sounds dumb as all hell. Rock opera makes it sound like a musical-esque venture, which is what I was thinking; not opera, but I was thinking it was going to be musical-based and more in line with something to do live, ala what Devy did with the Retinal Circus, and that they were simply doing an album for it as well. Rock opera...the fuck?. Concept album? YES, TOTALLY know what that is. I get it.

Pardon my ignorance. Or not. Or lick my pooper.

NOW I know what to expect. The same thing they've been doing for a few years now. Good stuff. Can't wait to hear it!

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #229 on:** January 10, 2015, 06:12:45 PM »

FTR, "flip the fuck out" is just a reference, one that I make as often as possible.

i.e. this, or this, and so on and so forth. Though I thought that use of the term was pretty common, I swear I've heard it multiple times here, though I could be misremembering.

TioJorge · « **Reply #230 on:** January 10, 2015, 06:32:22 PM »

Ah. I just equate that to someone posting...

OMG BTBAM IS DOING OPERA! I HATE OPERA! I'M OPERAIST! BTBAM IS DONE. DONE, I SAY!

and just going nuts. I would just be disappointed if it were some kind of 'project'/live venture instead of a concept album, but knowing I was wrong is comforting. I'd like a change of style in music a bit, something that breaks the mold of the last couple albums, but nothing that drastic.

I would, however, like to randomly/uselessly say that I'm with Orcus in that I also wouldn't mind a future album that is just simple and clean, an old fashioned track-by-track album ala Alaska or even Colors, in which there was just more of a unifying theme rather than a very specific, overarching story like they've been doing for a while. But again, as he said, I think they're pretty into this new found storytelling; which I'm completely into, but I've got a feeling I'll be over it by the end of this upcoming album. OR they'll spur me to love it even more if they do something really original and intriguing, but I've got a feeling that's not going to happen. Again, not necessarily a bad thing by nature, but eventually it will, for me personally, wear thin and being to bore. Granted, I'm also traditionally not a huge fan of concept albums given that I almost never listen to an album in its entirety in one go and that's most often the best way to listen to concept albums. I've definitely opened up to them the past few years though.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #231 on:** January 10, 2015, 06:47:45 PM »

Honestly the conceptual aspect doesn't really do anything for me either. I mean, I love PI and PII, but I have no idea what the story is. I even read along with the lyrics and still couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on.

TioJorge · « **Reply #232 on:** January 10, 2015, 06:52:42 PM »

Right, same here. It's something that I don't look for, and it doesn't detract from the album (normally; if it's overly emphasized, it may hinder the experience for me...or if I think it's poorly done ALA PT's The Incident) but it also does jack shit to turn me onto the music or the experience itself. I've tried numerous times to get into the Parralax story and have the same problem. I can bullshit and be like "Aw YEAH, that shits cool" and end up thinking "....the fuck was that all about again?". In terms of the music, totally awesome, I'm into it...as a story? In one ear, out the other. I can sing along to most of the songs and know the lyrics but as for the overarching story, it's all gibberish to me. So I'm right there with ya.

So on one hand, I'm still utterly excited to see what the guys bring out this time; but on the other...it's still just kinda like "Okay, another one". I just hope the music is as good and listenable as singular songs as the Parallax albums, because concepts like Scenes and even most of Mindcrime (even though that's one album I can actually listen to in one go, an immense rarity for me) are usually lower on my lists of favorites for the respective bands because of the very fact that they're SO story-based and work best when listened as a whole.

orcus116 · « **Reply #233 on:** January 10, 2015, 11:43:26 PM »

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 10, 2015, 06:47:45 PM

Honestly the conceptual aspect doesn't really do anything for me either. I mean, I love PI and PII, but I have no idea what the story is. I even read along with the lyrics and still couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on.

I don't even think the band does, based on what I've read especially when they tried to retroactively link it to songs from other albums.

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #234 on:** January 10, 2015, 11:48:00 PM »

https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2012/07/24/prognotes-between-the-buried-and-mes-the-parallax-part-i-introduction/

TioJorge · « **Reply #235 on:** January 11, 2015, 12:11:25 AM »

See....I mean, if I have to read that much shit to get a fucking album, I'm kinda out. I'm just gonna jam with the music.

I mean, thank you for that; I'm sure it's informative beyond reason. But...therein lies my issue is that if I have to take the time to read all that mundane over-analysis...the album has kinda failed in the spectrum of storytelling. I LOVE the music. The story? Fuck that shit.

I'd just be willing to do that much analysis for an essay for college, not for an album I'm listening to for pleasure. It's cool and all, and I mean no offense to anyone that is into it and reads word for word, but for me that's just shit covered titty fucking nuts. To each his own though. I watch porn and read manga TWENNY FO SEYYYVEN. So y'know. Everyone has their thing; fuck it. Maybe I'll superimpose this shit for my tits and ass one day. I dunno. I'm too tired. Bed time. Maybe I'll drift through space and find some bone-covered planet and a lady calling to me through her nipples that are in themselves universes that hold the key to unlocking the ecstasy of the under-verse that I can use to make my penis bigger which will in itself slap the shit out of the real god of the omniverses and he'll turn everything into muffins. Or something. Fuck. So much shit.

It's just not worth it to me. Whoa whoa whoa.

Dr. DTVT · « **Reply #236 on:** January 12, 2015, 11:00:17 AM »

As long as they don't go Jazz Odyssey on us like Spinal Tap did (we have Trioscapes for that) I'm sure the new album will be in the vein of the previous albums. It seems like most of the members already have outlets for material that doesn't fit the BTBAM brand.

Plasmastrike · « **Reply #237 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:31:46 AM »

Tio you could've read that storyline twice through with how much time you put into writing your posts. Talk about bloated shit

ariich · « **Reply #238 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:47:02 AM »

TioJorge · « **Reply #239 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:54:31 AM »

SO WHAT!? SOMETIMES I GET GASSY!

That post still took me all of maybe three-four minutes to type. That website has multiple pages of essays scouring every inch of an album's (multiple albums', actually) storyline. Bloated shit? Sure, whatever that means (it's an effin' forum...). But you're exaggerating to the max.

If that post is bloated shit, which it DEFINITELY is (ask me how much of a shit I give), I don't even know what to call that website's over-analysis on a ridiculous time-traveling space-echelon mind-fuck. Shoo fly, don't bother me.

Plasmastrike · « **Reply #240 on:** January 13, 2015, 10:56:41 AM »

Riight..

TioJorge · « **Reply #241 on:** January 13, 2015, 10:58:40 AM »

K BB. Good stuff, great discussion.

I appreciate your input.

Jaq · « **Reply #242 on:** January 13, 2015, 11:25:33 AM »

A person whose entire forum existence is a series of calculated to be edgy and unorthodox posts complaining about the story in the Parallax albums.

There's some deep levels of hilarity there.

TioJorge · « **Reply #243 on:** January 13, 2015, 12:53:16 PM »

Okay.

ariich · « **Reply #244 on:** January 13, 2015, 02:07:20 PM »

Guys, play nice.

News: Video of online chat between fans and members of Dream Theater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA&feature=youtu.be (*no chickens were harmed during the filming of this chat)

Author Topic: Between the Buried and Me (Read 131616 times)