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DT the League 2014 - OCTAVARIUM IS THE BEST OF THEM!
« on: November 19, 2013, 05:56:18 PM »
DT the League 2013 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34282.0

In  December, DT the League makes its return.

I used to do the Dream Theater Survivor. While survivors are fun, I got tired of constantly asking people to vote for their least favorite songs. I also thought that the album by album format was stale. For example, what would happen if Voices faced Lines in the Sand? What if Metropolis faced Octavarium?

The League's format is modeled from sports, mostly to college basketball. There will be 20 weeks in the regular season. Each week, a song will face another song head to head. You will then vote for which song you like better out of the two. The songs will accrue win/loss records. After 20 weeks, we will have Album Tournaments. After that, the top 64 songs in the league will be entered into a single elimination tournament to crown the 2014 League Champion.

Tiebreakers for Songs standings within their albums will be A. Head to Head B. Best Winning Percentage within Album C. Strengh of Victory D. Strength of Schedule E. Point Differential

Tiebreakers for 3 or more songs within an album will be A. Best Head to Head Record against all tied songs. B. Best Winning Percentage within Album, C. Strength of Victory D. Strength of Schedule E. Point Differential. Once this group is narrowed down to two songs, the tiebreakers for the two songs apply.

Tiebreakers for Songs for the end of season 64 Song Tournament will be A. Head to Head B. Album Champion C. Strength of Victory D. Strength of Schedule D. Point Differential

Tiebreakers for 3 or more songs for the end of season 64 Song Tournament will be A. Best Head to Head Record against all tied songs. B. Album Champion  C. Strength of Victory D. Strength of Schedule E. Point Differential. Once this group is narrowed down to two songs, the tiebreakers for the two songs apply.


It would take a long time for me to work out all of the tiebreakers, so I will use an online random number program to seed songs with the same winning percentage.

For the Albums and final tournament, I will not be voting. If a match ends in a tie, then I'll vote to break the tie.


Stay tuned to this thread for all League updates. Feel free to ask any questions or make suggestions on this thread.

This will be a lot of stuff to keep track of, so if you see that I've made an error in the standings or scores, feel free to point it out and correct me.

As with everything else on these forums. Please be respectful of everyone's opinions, and express your own opinions respectfully.

Standings after Week 20 (All Tiebreakers factored)
 
When Dream & Day Unite (29-129-2, .188)
1. Afterlife 8-11-1   
2. Ytse Jam 6-14
3. The Killing Hand 6-14
4. A Fortune In Lies 5-15
5. Only a Matter of Time 2-17-1
6. Status Seeker 1-19
7. Light Fuse and Getaway 1-19
8. The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-20

Tiebreaker for 2nd Seed
1.   Head to Head -  N/A
2.   Best Album Winning % - TKH = N/A, YJ = N/A
3.   Strength of Victory – TKH = 17-101-2 .150, YJ = 26-93-1 .220

Tiebreaker for 6th Seed
1.   Head to Head. – SS defeated LFaG 16-15 in Week 5-A.
 
Images & Words (129-29-2, .813)
1. Learning to Live 19-1
2. Take the Time 19-1
3. Metropolis 19-1
4. Under a Glass Moon 18-2
5. Pull Me Under 17-3
6. Surrounded 14-6
7. Wait For Sleep 13-5-2
8. Another Day 10-10
 
Tiebreaker for 1st   Seed
1.   Best record against other two songs – LtL = 1-0, Metropolis = N/A. TtT = 0-1 .000
2.   Best Album Winning % - LtL = 1-0 1.000, Metropolis = N/A, TtT = 0-1, .000
3.   Strength of Victory – LtL = 168-204-8 .453, Metropolis = 110-259-11 .303, TtT = 137-235-8 .371


Awake (148-67-5, .684)
1. Voices 19-1
2. Scarred 18-2 
3. The Mirror 15-4-1   
4. Space-Dye Vest 15-4-1       
5. 6:00 14-6
6. Caught in a Web 14-6   
7. Lie 13-6-1   
8. Innocence Faded 13-7
9. Erotomania 12-8
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 10-10
11. The Silent Man 5-13-2
 
Tiebreaker for 3rd   Seed
1.   Head to Head -  N/A
2.   Best Album Winning % - The Mirror = N/A, SDV = 1-1 .500.
3.   Strength of Victory – The Mirror = 127-167-6 .433, SDV = 105-191-4 .367
 Tiebreaker for 5th Seed
1.   Head to Head -  N/A
2.   Best Album Winning % - 6:00 = 2-1 . 667, CiaW = 0-1 .000
 Independent Songs
A Change of Seasons 20-0
Eve 7-13
To Live Forever 6-14
Raise the Knife 5-14-1
Cover My Eyes 2-18
Another Won 1-18-1
Speak to Me 1-18-1
Don’t Look Past Me 0-19-1
Raw Dog 0-20
The Way It Used to Be 0-20
You or Me 0-20
 
Falling Into Infinity (82-136-2, .378)
1. Trial of Tears 20-0
2. Lines in the Sand 20-0
3. Hell’s Kitchen 15-5
4. Peruvian Skies 10-10
5. Hollow Years 7-13
6. New Millennium 4-16
7. Just Let Me Breathe 3-16-1
8. Anna Lee 2-18
9. Take Away My Pain 1-18-1
10. You Not Me 0-20
11. Burning My Soul 0-20
 
Tiebreaker for 1st  Seed
3.   Head to Head -  N/A
4.   Best Album Winning % - N/A
Strength of Victory – LitS = 144-247-9 .371, ToT = 147-243-10, 380

Tiebreaker for 10th Seed
1.   Head to Head – N/A
2.   Best Album Winning % - N/A
3.   Strength of Victory – N/A
4.   Strength of Schedule – BMS = 214-182-4 .538, YNM = 224-167-9 .571





Scenes From a Memory (145-73-2, .664)
1. Home 20-0
2. Fatal Tragedy 17-3
3. Finally Free 17-3
4. The Spirit Carries On 17-3 
5. Overture 1928 16-4
6. Beyond This Life 15-4-1
7. Strange déjà vu 13-7 
8. One Last Time 11-9
9. The Dance of Eternity 9-10-1 
10. Through Her Eyes 9-11
11. Regression 1-19
 
Tiebreaker for 2nd   Seed
4.   Best record against other two songs – FT =  1-0 1.000 – FF = 1-0 1.000 - TSCO = 0-1 .000
5.   Best Album Winning % - FT = 2-0 1.000 - FF = 3-1 .750

Tiebreaker for 3rd Seed
1.   Head to Head – FF defeated TSCO 22-12 in Week 20-A.


Six Degree of Inner Turbulence (92-25-3, .779)
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 19-1
2. Blind Faith 17-2-1 
3. The Glass Prison 15-4-1
4. Disappear 15-5
5. The Great Debate 15-5
6. Misunderstood 11-8-1

 Tiebreaker for 4th   Seed
1.   Head to Head -  N/A
Best Album Winning % - Disappear = 1-0 1.000, TGD = 1-1 .500
Train of Thought (80-57-3, .582)
1. In the Name of God 18-2
2. Stream of Consciousness 17-3
3. Endless Sacrifice 14-6
4. This Dying Soul 12-7-1
5. Honor Thy Father 7-11-2
6. As I Am 7-13
7. Vacant 5-15
 
Octavarium (82-77-1, .516)
1. Octavarium 20-0
2. Sacrificed Sons 13-7
3. The Root of All Evil 12-8
4. These Walls 12-8
5. Panic Attack 10-10
6. Never  Enough 6-14
7. I Walk Beside You 5-15
8. The Answer Lies Within 4-15-1

Tiebreaker for 3rd    Seed
2.   Head to Head -  N/A
3.   Best Album Winning % - TRoAE = N/A, TW = 0-1 .000
Strength of Victory – TRoAE = 70-165-5 .302, TW = 65-168-7 .285
 
Systematic Chaos (48-86-6, .364)
1. In the Presence of Enemies 15-4-1
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls 10-9-1 
3. Forsaken 7-12-1 
4. Constant Motion 7-13
5. The Dark Eternal Night 5-13-2 
6. Repentance 4-16
7. Prophets of War 0-19-1
 
Black Clouds and Silver Linings (53-64-3, .454)
1. The Count of Tuscany 18-2
2. A Nightmare to Remember 9-9-2
3. The Best of Times 8-11-1
4. The Shattered Fortress 7-13
5. Wither 7-13
6. A Rite of Passage 4-16
 
Tiebreaker for 4th   Seed
4.   Head to Head -  N/A
5.   Best Album Winning % - TSF = N/A, Wither = N/A
Strength of Victory – TSF = 21-119 .150, Wither = 16-123-1 .118

A Dramatic Turn of Events (96-80-4, .544)
1. Breaking All Illusion 20-0
2. Bridges in the Sky 17-3
3. Outcry 14-6
4.  On the Backs of Angels 14-6   
5. This is the Life 11-8-1
6. Lost Not Forgotten 8-11-1
7. Beneath the Surface 7-11-2 
8. Far From Heaven 3-17
9. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-18
 
Tiebreaker for 3rd    Seed
1.   Head to Head - Outcry defeated On the Backs of Angel 21-14 in Week 13-D.


Dream Theater (76-99-5, .436)
1. Illumination Theory 16-2-2
2. Surrender to Reason 12-8
3. The Enemy Inside 10-9-1     
4. Behind the Veil 10-10
5. The Bigger Picture 8-11-1
6. Along for the Ride 7-13
7. The Looking Glass 5-14-1   
8. Enigma Machine 5-15
9. False Awakening Suite 3-17

 

Album Rankings

1.   Images & Words (129-29-2, .813)
2.   Six Degree of Inner Turbulence (92-25-3, .779)
3.   Awake (148-67-5, .684)   
4.   Scenes From a Memory (145-73-2, .664)
5.   Train of Thought (80-57-3, .582)   
6.   A Dramatic Turn of Events (96-80-4, .544)
7.   Octavarium (82-77-1, .516)   
8.   Black Clouds and Silver Linings (53-64-3, .454)
9.   Dream Theater (76-99-5, .436)
10.   Falling Into Infinity (82-136-2, .378)   
11.   Systematic Chaos (48-86-6, .364)   
12.   When Dream & Day Unite (29-129-2, .188)



Post Album Tournament Standings
 

1.   A Change of Seasons 20-0 1.000
2.   Home 23-0  1.000
3.   Octavarium 23-0 1.000
4.   Breaking All Illusions 23-0 1.000
5.   Trial of Tears 23-0 1.000
6.   Lines in the Sand 22-1 .957
7.   Learning to Live 22-1 .957
8.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 21-1 .955
9.   Scarred 21-2 .913 
10.   Voices 21-2 .913
11.   Metropolis 21-2 .913
12.   In the Name of God 20-2 .909
13.   Take the Time 20-2 .909
14.   The Count of Tuscany 20-2 .909
15.   Illumination Theory 19-2-2 .870
16.   Under a Glass Moon 19-3 .864
17.   Blind Faith 18-3-1 .841
18.   Finally Free 19-4 .826
19.   Bridges in the Sky 19-4 .826
20.   The Spirit Carries On 18-4 818 
21.   Fatal Tragedy 18-4 .818
22.   Stream of Consciousness 18-4 .818
23.   Pull Me Under 17-4 .810
24.   In the Presence of Enemies 17-4-1 .795
25.   Overture 1928 16-5, .762
26.   Space-Dye Vest 16-5-1 .750       
27.   Beyond This Life 16-5-1 .750
28.   The Mirror 16-5-1   .750
29.   The Glass Prison 16-5-1 .750
30.   Disappear 16-6 .727
31.   Hell’s Kitchen 16-6 .727
32.   The Great Debate 15-6 .714
33.   Endless Sacrifice 16-7 .696
34.   Outcry 15-7 .682
35.   On the Backs of Angels 15-7 .682 
36.   Caught in a Web 15-7 .682   
37.   Surrounded 14-7 .667
38.   Wait For Sleep 13-6-2 .667
39.   6:00 14-7 .667
40.   Lie 13-7-1 .643
41.   Sacrificed Sons 14-8 .636
42.   Strange déjà vu 14-8 .636 
43.   Innocence Faded 13-8 .619
44.   This Dying Soul 13-8-1 .614
45.   Surrender to Reason 14-9 .609
46.   The Root of All Evil 14-9 .609
47.   Erotomania 13-9 .591
48.   These Walls 13-9 .590
49.   Misunderstood 11-9-1 .548
50.   This is the Life 11-9-1 .548
51.   The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-10-1  .543
52.   One Last Time 11-10 .524
53.   The Enemy Inside 11-10-1 .523   
54.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream 11-11 .500
55.   A Nightmare to Remember 10-10-2 .500
56.   Peruvian Skies 11-11 .500
57.   The Dance of Eternity 10-11-1 .477
58.   Behind the Veil 10-11 .476
59.   Another Day 10-11.476
60.   Panic Attack 10-11.476
61.   Afterlife 9-12-1 .432 
62.   The Best of Times 9-12-1 .432
63.   The Bigger Picture 9-12-1 .432
64.   Through Her Eyes 9-12 .429

Lost Not Forgotten 8-12-1 .405
The Killing Hand 9-14 .391
Forsaken 8-13-1 .386
Beneath the Surface 7-12-2  .381
Honor Thy Father 7-12-2 .381
The Shattered Fortress 8-14 .364
Eve 7-13 .350
Along for the Ride 7-14 .333
As I Am 7-14 .333
Constant Motion 7-14 .333
Hollow Years 7-14 .333
Wither 7-14 .333
The Dark Eternal Night 6-14-2 .318
Ytse Jam 7-15 .318
A Fortune In Lies 7-16 .304
To Live Forever 6-14 .300
Never  Enough 6-15 .286
The Silent Man 5-14-2 .286
Raise the Knife 5-14-1 .275
Enigma Machine 6-16 .273
The Looking Glass 5-15-1   .262
I Walk Beside You 5-16 .238
Vacant 5-16 .238
New Millennium 5-17 .227
The Answer Lies Within 4-16-1 .214
Just Let Me Breathe 4-17-1 .205
Repentance 4-17 .190
A Rite of Passage 4-17 .190
Far From Heaven 4-18 .182
False Awakening Suite 3-18 .143
Anna Lee 3-19 .136
Only a Matter of Time 2-18-1 .119
Cover My Eyes 2-18 .100
Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-19 .095
Another Won 1-18-1 .075
Speak to Me 1-18-1 .075
Take Away My Pain 1-19-1 .071
Status Seeker 1-20 .048
Light Fuse and Getaway 1-20 .048
Regression 1-20 .048
Don’t Look Past Me 0-19-1 .025
Prophets of War 0-20-1 .024
Burning My Soul 0-21 .000
Raw Dog 0-20 .000
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-21.000
The Way It Used to Be 0-20 .000
You Not Me 0-21 .000
You or Me 0-20 .000

« Last Edit: July 25, 2014, 08:59:50 PM by Destiny Of Chaos »

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2013, 06:00:17 PM »
Last year, there were 100 songs in the league. That worked out rather well. Of course with the new album, this number will change. Does anybody think that any songs should be added to or removed from the league? Is this the year we put Raw Dog in the mix? Is this the year that some of the traditionally winless songs, like You Not Me get the boot? Should we be dragging another "unreleased" song into this? Review the list and let me know what you think. Once we get past that, I can generate the schedule.





When Dream & Day Unite (8)
A Fortune In Lies
Status Seeker
The Ytse Jam
The Killing Hand
Light Fuse and Get Away
Afterlife
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Only a Matter of Time

Images & Words (8)
Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
Surrounded
Metropolis
Under a Glass Moon
Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live

Awake (11)
6:00
Caught in a Web
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Scarred
Space-Dye Vest

ETC (9)
Another Won
To Live Forever
A Change of Seasons
Cover My Eyes
Don’t Look Past Me
Eve
Raise the Knife
Speak to Me
The Way It Used to Be

Falling Into Infinity (11)
New Millennium
You Not Me
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hell’s Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
Trial of Tears

Scenes From a Memory (10)
Overture 1928
Strange déjà vu
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Home
The Dance of Eternity
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On
Finally Free

Six Degree of Inner Turbulence (6)
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
The Great Debate
Disappear
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence

Train of Thought (7)
As I Am
This Dying Soul
Endless Sacrifice
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness 
In the Name of God

Octavarium (8)
The Root of All Evil
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack
Never  Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium


Systematic Chaos (7)
In the Presence of Enemies
Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night
Repentance
Prophets of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls

Black Clouds and Silver Linings (6)
A Nightmare to Remember
Rite of Passage
Wither
The Shattered Fortress
The Best of Times
The Count of Tuscany

A Dramatic Turn of Events (9)
On the Backs of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Lost Not Forgotten
This is the Life
Bridges in the Sky
Outcry
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusion
Beneath the Surface

Dream Theater (9)
False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
The Looking Glass
Enigma Machine
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Along for the Ride
Illumination Theory
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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2013, 06:17:53 PM »
I think removing songs that have continually received little attention would be a good idea, especially to make room for some newer songs any maybe add a couple of new surprises in.

Which version of Eve are you using?  The b-side or the live version with samples?

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 06:20:23 PM »
I think removing songs that have continually received little attention would be a good idea, especially to make room for some newer songs any maybe add a couple of new surprises in.

Which version of Eve are you using?  The b-side or the live version with samples?

I just have it as "Eve". I suppose the voters can vote based on whichever version that they prefer. Personally, I don't consider live versions when voting, otherwise, Hollow Years would be getting more love from me on a weekly basis.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2013, 06:35:36 PM »
I think removing songs that have continually received little attention would be a good idea, especially to make room for some newer songs any maybe add a couple of new surprises in.

Which version of Eve are you using?  The b-side or the live version with samples?

I just have it as "Eve". I suppose the voters can vote based on whichever version that they prefer. Personally, I don't consider live versions when voting, otherwise, Hollow Years would be getting more love from me on a weekly basis.

Excellent point DoC. 

I'd rather see Where Are You Now as opposed to You Not Me.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 07:47:34 PM »
I think Raw Dog should be in.

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 03:18:17 AM »
I don't think any album tracks should be removed, including You Not Me.

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 03:44:11 AM »
I think Raw Dog should be in.
I don't think any album tracks should be removed, including You Not Me.
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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 03:56:04 AM »
I don't think any album tracks should be removed, including You Not Me.
This.

Raw Dog and Where Are You Now? should stay the hell out of this game IMO :lol

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 03:59:56 AM »
I don't think any album tracks should be removed, including You Not Me.
Agreed.

Also I had another thought: How about You Or Me? It seems to get a lot more praise than You Not Me, and I know it's not exactly going to break the top 10 or 20 or even 50, but it might be interesting to see where exactly it would fit into the final list. Would it actually do okay, or would it only barely do better than You Not Me?

Though having said this I don't think any of the other demos need to be added, I just thought it might be interesting to add this one given how the majority feels about You Not Me and also how the majority seem to prefer You Or Me by a great margin. How much of a margin though? No fucking idea.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 04:11:44 AM »
Yeah, You Or Me should be added, it's nice to see how many people prefer that over YNM.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 04:27:15 AM »
I don't really care about the demos, as long as Raise The Knife and Speak To Me are included :lol

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2013, 05:48:10 AM »
I don't think any album tracks should be removed, including You Not Me.

So we should keep Regression too then, right?   :P    I'm in favor of removing certain tracks like Regression because they would never garnish enough votes to go anywhere, which is the same logic I used with You Not Me.   I'd rather see Where Are You Now in there because it's a much better song, IMHO, than YNM or YOR.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2013, 08:02:16 AM »
Yes, I actually think Regression should be included.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2013, 08:17:11 AM »
It would be interesting to see how it does up against actual songs.  I'm sure there are songs that people hate which would lead them to vote for it out of pure frustration.   :lol   It probably wouldn't get far though.

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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2013, 09:58:57 AM »
I don't see the point in removing "unpopular" songs from the league. If you do that, you might also announce the winners right now, because they're going to win anyway :dunno:

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2013, 10:15:07 AM »
I don't see the point in removing "unpopular" songs from the league. If you do that, you might also announce the winners right now, because they're going to win anyway :dunno:

 :lol

No one is implying anything that drastic.  It would be nice to throw a few different songs in there to see how they would fare.  If removing certain tracks like Regression would make room for others and make the tournament breakdown easier then I am all for that.  Ultimately, I'll enjoy it either way. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2013, 11:58:43 AM »
I hope you got that I was not really serious. But actually I was. Kind of. :panicattack:

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2013, 12:14:35 PM »
I hope you got that I was not really serious. But actually I was. Kind of. :panicattack:

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2013, 01:44:53 PM »
That time already? Wow! It honestly doesn't seem like that long ago since the 2013 season finished. It'll be interesting to see how the songs from DT12 fare when thrown into the mix. I'm up for the ride again!*

*I may also be along for it, but to avoid cheesy DT song related puns, I'll stay up for it.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2013, 02:32:43 PM »
december first!
Can't wait to start this  :laugh:
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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2013, 07:12:45 PM »
Okay. I've added You or Me, Raw Dog & Regression. That brings us to 112.

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When Dream & Day Unite (8)
A Fortune In Lies
Status Seeker
The Ytse Jam
The Killing Hand
Light Fuse and Get Away
Afterlife
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Only a Matter of Time

Images & Words (8)
Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
Surrounded
Metropolis
Under a Glass Moon
Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live

Awake (11)
6:00
Caught in a Web
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Scarred
Space-Dye Vest

ETC (11)
Another Won
To Live Forever
A Change of Seasons
Cover My Eyes
Don’t Look Past Me
Eve
Raise the Knife
Speak to Me
The Way It Used to Be
You or Me
Raw Dog

Falling Into Infinity (11)
New Millennium
You Not Me
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hell’s Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
Trial of Tears

Scenes From a Memory (11)
Regression
Overture 1928
Strange déjà vu
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Home
The Dance of Eternity
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On
Finally Free

Six Degree of Inner Turbulence (6)
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
The Great Debate
Disappear
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence

Train of Thought (7)
As I Am
This Dying Soul
Endless Sacrifice
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness 
In the Name of God

Octavarium (8)
The Root of All Evil
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack
Never  Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium


Systematic Chaos (7)
In the Presence of Enemies
Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night
Repentance
Prophets of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls

Black Clouds and Silver Linings (6)
A Nightmare to Remember
Rite of Passage
Wither
The Shattered Fortress
The Best of Times
The Count of Tuscany

A Dramatic Turn of Events (9)
On the Backs of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Lost Not Forgotten
This is the Life
Bridges in the Sky
Outcry
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusion
Beneath the Surface

Dream Theater (9)
False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
The Looking Glass
Enigma Machine
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Along for the Ride
Illumination Theory

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2013, 04:16:50 PM »
The season will begin on Thursday, December 12th with a kickoff match. The rest of Week 1 will begin on Monday, December 16th. Also, the regular season will be 25 weeks instead of 20. It will be followed by the album tournaments, and then the 2014 DT Tournament.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2013, 05:59:12 PM »
Sweet, looking forward to it! :2metal:

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2013, 08:26:25 AM »
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy are just considered Fatal Tragedy for the purposes of this tournament apparently? I sure as hell hope so 'cause that's how the album originally should've been anywho

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2013, 04:02:24 PM »
Great! All the best to you DoC in trying to keep up with this whole thing. :)

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2013, 05:50:39 PM »
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy are just considered Fatal Tragedy for the purposes of this tournament apparently? I sure as hell hope so 'cause that's how the album originally should've been anywho

Don't know why that would be apparent. I didn't include Through My Words because it's so short. I've never included Regression before either. But if voters lump Through My Words with Fatal Tragedy when voting for the latter, that's nothing that I can control or discourage.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2013, 05:51:06 PM »
Great! All the best to you DoC in trying to keep up with this whole thing. :)

Thank you. It shall be a fun ride.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2013, 05:43:37 AM »
Why does it feel like this just ended a couple of months ago?  Given the effort to go through with it, is it truly meaningful to do it every year?  Or would every album cycle suffice?
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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2013, 07:12:07 AM »
Why does it feel like this just ended a couple of months ago?  Given the effort to go through with it, is it truly meaningful to do it every year?  Or would every album cycle suffice?

We are in a new album cycle now. It just so happens that the last League was done a year after ADTOE. Assuming they don't bring a new album out in 2014, there probably won't be a 2015 DT League.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2013, 09:03:30 AM »
Why does it feel like this just ended a couple of months ago?  Given the effort to go through with it, is it truly meaningful to do it every year?  Or would every album cycle suffice?

Back in the day, we would do DT the League from January - July and the DT Survivor from July - January. It absolutely isn't meaningful to do it every year. But it is fun to do so. And at the end of the day, it's really just entertainment. The fact that only 3-5 songs have a legitimate chance at winning each year makes it less meaningful, but the way that I look at it, the league is here to have fun with. This is also why I've always preferred the tournament to have 64 songs instead of 32. 64 is unnecessary, but it's epic as hell.

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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2013, 10:06:07 AM »
Why does it feel like this just ended a couple of months ago?  Given the effort to go through with it, is it truly meaningful to do it every year?  Or would every album cycle suffice?

Back in the day, we would do DT the League from January - July and the DT Survivor from July - January. It absolutely isn't meaningful to do it every year. But it is fun to do so. And at the end of the day, it's really just entertainment. The fact that only 3-5 songs have a legitimate chance at winning each year makes it less meaningful, but the way that I look at it, the league is here to have fun with. This is also why I've always preferred the tournament to have 64 songs instead of 32. 64 is unnecessary, but it's epic as hell.

Just my thoughts.

Oh, it's totally fine if you're up for it - I just know how much work/time these things can be.  And with a new crop of DTF noobs, maybe they'll stop by Polls/Survivors for it.
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Re: DT the League 2014
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2013, 12:07:00 AM »
Well, as I missed previous DT league by only coming to this site few months ago, I'm glad this thing is being runned every year so I don't have to wait and can participate this time. I'm sure some of new people here have the same attitude.
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2013, 06:56:12 AM »
Well, as I missed previous DT league by only coming to this site few months ago, I'm glad this thing is being runned every year so I don't have to wait and can participate this time. I'm sure some of new people here have the same attitude.

I just hope that the majority of the newer people know that the Polls and Survivors forum even exists.  :angel: