DT the League 2013 -
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34282.0In December, DT the League makes its return.
I used to do the Dream Theater Survivor. While survivors are fun, I got tired of constantly asking people to vote for their least favorite songs. I also thought that the album by album format was stale. For example, what would happen if Voices faced Lines in the Sand? What if Metropolis faced Octavarium?
The League's format is modeled from sports, mostly to college basketball. There will be 20 weeks in the regular season. Each week, a song will face another song head to head. You will then vote for which song you like better out of the two. The songs will accrue win/loss records. After 20 weeks, we will have Album Tournaments. After that, the top 64 songs in the league will be entered into a single elimination tournament to crown the 2014 League Champion.
Tiebreakers for Songs standings within their albums will be A. Head to Head B. Best Winning Percentage within Album C. Strengh of Victory D. Strength of Schedule E. Point Differential
Tiebreakers for 3 or more songs within an album will be A. Best Head to Head Record against all tied songs. B. Best Winning Percentage within Album, C. Strength of Victory D. Strength of Schedule E. Point Differential. Once this group is narrowed down to two songs, the tiebreakers for the two songs apply.
Tiebreakers for Songs for the end of season 64 Song Tournament will be A. Head to Head B. Album Champion C. Strength of Victory D. Strength of Schedule D. Point Differential
Tiebreakers for 3 or more songs for the end of season 64 Song Tournament will be A. Best Head to Head Record against all tied songs. B. Album Champion C. Strength of Victory D. Strength of Schedule E. Point Differential. Once this group is narrowed down to two songs, the tiebreakers for the two songs apply.
It would take a long time for me to work out all of the tiebreakers, so I will use an online random number program to seed songs with the same winning percentage. For the Albums and final tournament, I will not be voting. If a match ends in a tie, then I'll vote to break the tie. Stay tuned to this thread for all League updates. Feel free to ask any questions or make suggestions on this thread.
This will be a lot of stuff to keep track of, so if you see that I've made an error in the standings or scores, feel free to point it out and correct me.
As with everything else on these forums. Please be respectful of everyone's opinions, and express your own opinions respectfully.
Standings after Week 20 (All Tiebreakers factored) When Dream & Day Unite (29-129-2, .188) 1. Afterlife 8-11-1
2. Ytse Jam 6-14
3. The Killing Hand 6-14
4. A Fortune In Lies 5-15
5. Only a Matter of Time 2-17-1
6. Status Seeker 1-19
7. Light Fuse and Getaway 1-19
8. The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-20
Tiebreaker for 2nd Seed
1. Head to Head - N/A
2. Best Album Winning % - TKH = N/A, YJ = N/A
3. Strength of Victory – TKH = 17-101-2 .150, YJ = 26-93-1 .220
Tiebreaker for 6th Seed
1. Head to Head. – SS defeated LFaG 16-15 in Week 5-A.
Images & Words (129-29-2, .813) 1. Learning to Live 19-1
2. Take the Time 19-1
3. Metropolis 19-1
4. Under a Glass Moon 18-2
5. Pull Me Under 17-3
6. Surrounded 14-6
7. Wait For Sleep 13-5-2
8. Another Day 10-10
Tiebreaker for 1st Seed
1. Best record against other two songs – LtL = 1-0, Metropolis = N/A. TtT = 0-1 .000
2. Best Album Winning % - LtL = 1-0 1.000, Metropolis = N/A, TtT = 0-1, .000
3. Strength of Victory – LtL = 168-204-8 .453, Metropolis = 110-259-11 .303, TtT = 137-235-8 .371
Awake (148-67-5, .684) 1. Voices 19-1
2. Scarred 18-2
3. The Mirror 15-4-1
4. Space-Dye Vest 15-4-1
5. 6:00 14-6
6. Caught in a Web 14-6
7. Lie 13-6-1
8. Innocence Faded 13-7
9. Erotomania 12-8
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 10-10
11. The Silent Man 5-13-2
Tiebreaker for 3rd Seed
1. Head to Head - N/A
2. Best Album Winning % - The Mirror = N/A, SDV = 1-1 .500.
3. Strength of Victory – The Mirror = 127-167-6 .433, SDV = 105-191-4 .367
Tiebreaker for 5th Seed
1. Head to Head - N/A
2. Best Album Winning % - 6:00 = 2-1 . 667, CiaW = 0-1 .000
Independent Songs A Change of Seasons 20-0
Eve 7-13
To Live Forever 6-14
Raise the Knife 5-14-1
Cover My Eyes 2-18
Another Won 1-18-1
Speak to Me 1-18-1
Don’t Look Past Me 0-19-1
Raw Dog 0-20
The Way It Used to Be 0-20
You or Me 0-20
Falling Into Infinity (82-136-2, .378) 1. Trial of Tears 20-0
2. Lines in the Sand 20-0
3. Hell’s Kitchen 15-5
4. Peruvian Skies 10-10
5. Hollow Years 7-13
6. New Millennium 4-16
7. Just Let Me Breathe 3-16-1
8. Anna Lee 2-18
9. Take Away My Pain 1-18-1
10. You Not Me 0-20
11. Burning My Soul 0-20
Tiebreaker for 1st Seed
3. Head to Head - N/A
4. Best Album Winning % - N/A
Strength of Victory – LitS = 144-247-9 .371, ToT = 147-243-10, 380
Tiebreaker for 10th Seed
1. Head to Head – N/A
2. Best Album Winning % - N/A
3. Strength of Victory – N/A
4. Strength of Schedule – BMS = 214-182-4 .538, YNM = 224-167-9 .571
Scenes From a Memory (145-73-2, .664) 1. Home 20-0
2. Fatal Tragedy 17-3
3. Finally Free 17-3
4. The Spirit Carries On 17-3
5. Overture 1928 16-4
6. Beyond This Life 15-4-1
7. Strange déjà vu 13-7
8. One Last Time 11-9
9. The Dance of Eternity 9-10-1
10. Through Her Eyes 9-11
11. Regression 1-19
Tiebreaker for 2nd Seed
4. Best record against other two songs – FT = 1-0 1.000 – FF = 1-0 1.000 - TSCO = 0-1 .000
5. Best Album Winning % - FT = 2-0 1.000 - FF = 3-1 .750
Tiebreaker for 3rd Seed
1. Head to Head – FF defeated TSCO 22-12 in Week 20-A.
Six Degree of Inner Turbulence (92-25-3, .779) 1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 19-1
2. Blind Faith 17-2-1
3. The Glass Prison 15-4-1
4. Disappear 15-5
5. The Great Debate 15-5
6. Misunderstood 11-8-1
Tiebreaker for 4th Seed
1. Head to Head - N/A
Best Album Winning % - Disappear = 1-0 1.000, TGD = 1-1 .500
Train of Thought (80-57-3, .582) 1. In the Name of God 18-2
2. Stream of Consciousness 17-3
3. Endless Sacrifice 14-6
4. This Dying Soul 12-7-1
5. Honor Thy Father 7-11-2
6. As I Am 7-13
7. Vacant 5-15
Octavarium (82-77-1, .516) 1. Octavarium 20-0
2. Sacrificed Sons 13-7
3. The Root of All Evil 12-8
4. These Walls 12-8
5. Panic Attack 10-10
6. Never Enough 6-14
7. I Walk Beside You 5-15
8. The Answer Lies Within 4-15-1
Tiebreaker for 3rd Seed
2. Head to Head - N/A
3. Best Album Winning % - TRoAE = N/A, TW = 0-1 .000
Strength of Victory – TRoAE = 70-165-5 .302, TW = 65-168-7 .285
Systematic Chaos (48-86-6, .364) 1. In the Presence of Enemies 15-4-1
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls 10-9-1
3. Forsaken 7-12-1
4. Constant Motion 7-13
5. The Dark Eternal Night 5-13-2
6. Repentance 4-16
7. Prophets of War 0-19-1
Black Clouds and Silver Linings (53-64-3, .454) 1. The Count of Tuscany 18-2
2. A Nightmare to Remember 9-9-2
3. The Best of Times 8-11-1
4. The Shattered Fortress 7-13
5. Wither 7-13
6. A Rite of Passage 4-16
Tiebreaker for 4th Seed
4. Head to Head - N/A
5. Best Album Winning % - TSF = N/A, Wither = N/A
Strength of Victory – TSF = 21-119 .150, Wither = 16-123-1 .118
A Dramatic Turn of Events (96-80-4, .544) 1. Breaking All Illusion 20-0
2. Bridges in the Sky 17-3
3. Outcry 14-6
4. On the Backs of Angels 14-6
5. This is the Life 11-8-1
6. Lost Not Forgotten 8-11-1
7. Beneath the Surface 7-11-2
8. Far From Heaven 3-17
9. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-18
Tiebreaker for 3rd Seed
1. Head to Head - Outcry defeated On the Backs of Angel 21-14 in Week 13-D.
Dream Theater (76-99-5, .436) 1. Illumination Theory 16-2-2
2. Surrender to Reason 12-8
3. The Enemy Inside 10-9-1
4. Behind the Veil 10-10
5. The Bigger Picture 8-11-1
6. Along for the Ride 7-13
7. The Looking Glass 5-14-1
8. Enigma Machine 5-15
9. False Awakening Suite 3-17
Album Rankings1. Images & Words (129-29-2, .813)
2. Six Degree of Inner Turbulence (92-25-3, .779)
3. Awake (148-67-5, .684)
4. Scenes From a Memory (145-73-2, .664)
5. Train of Thought (80-57-3, .582)
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events (96-80-4, .544)
7. Octavarium (82-77-1, .516)
8. Black Clouds and Silver Linings (53-64-3, .454)
9. Dream Theater (76-99-5, .436)
10. Falling Into Infinity (82-136-2, .378)
11. Systematic Chaos (48-86-6, .364)
12. When Dream & Day Unite (29-129-2, .188)
Post Album Tournament Standings 1. A Change of Seasons 20-0 1.000
2. Home 23-0 1.000
3. Octavarium 23-0 1.000
4. Breaking All Illusions 23-0 1.000
5. Trial of Tears 23-0 1.000
6. Lines in the Sand 22-1 .957
7. Learning to Live 22-1 .957
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 21-1 .955
9. Scarred 21-2 .913
10. Voices 21-2 .913
11. Metropolis 21-2 .913
12. In the Name of God 20-2 .909
13. Take the Time 20-2 .909
14. The Count of Tuscany 20-2 .909
15. Illumination Theory 19-2-2 .870
16. Under a Glass Moon 19-3 .864
17. Blind Faith 18-3-1 .841
18. Finally Free 19-4 .826
19. Bridges in the Sky 19-4 .826
20. The Spirit Carries On 18-4 818
21. Fatal Tragedy 18-4 .818
22. Stream of Consciousness 18-4 .818
23. Pull Me Under 17-4 .810
24. In the Presence of Enemies 17-4-1 .795
25. Overture 1928 16-5, .762
26. Space-Dye Vest 16-5-1 .750
27. Beyond This Life 16-5-1 .750
28. The Mirror 16-5-1 .750
29. The Glass Prison 16-5-1 .750
30. Disappear 16-6 .727
31. Hell’s Kitchen 16-6 .727
32. The Great Debate 15-6 .714
33. Endless Sacrifice 16-7 .696
34. Outcry 15-7 .682
35. On the Backs of Angels 15-7 .682
36. Caught in a Web 15-7 .682
37. Surrounded 14-7 .667
38. Wait For Sleep 13-6-2 .667
39. 6:00 14-7 .667
40. Lie 13-7-1 .643
41. Sacrificed Sons 14-8 .636
42. Strange déjà vu 14-8 .636
43. Innocence Faded 13-8 .619
44. This Dying Soul 13-8-1 .614
45. Surrender to Reason 14-9 .609
46. The Root of All Evil 14-9 .609
47. Erotomania 13-9 .591
48. These Walls 13-9 .590
49. Misunderstood 11-9-1 .548
50. This is the Life 11-9-1 .548
51. The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-10-1 .543
52. One Last Time 11-10 .524
53. The Enemy Inside 11-10-1 .523
54. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 11-11 .500
55. A Nightmare to Remember 10-10-2 .500
56. Peruvian Skies 11-11 .500
57. The Dance of Eternity 10-11-1 .477
58. Behind the Veil 10-11 .476
59. Another Day 10-11.476
60. Panic Attack 10-11.476
61. Afterlife 9-12-1 .432
62. The Best of Times 9-12-1 .432
63. The Bigger Picture 9-12-1 .432
64. Through Her Eyes 9-12 .429
Lost Not Forgotten 8-12-1 .405
The Killing Hand 9-14 .391
Forsaken 8-13-1 .386
Beneath the Surface 7-12-2 .381
Honor Thy Father 7-12-2 .381
The Shattered Fortress 8-14 .364
Eve 7-13 .350
Along for the Ride 7-14 .333
As I Am 7-14 .333
Constant Motion 7-14 .333
Hollow Years 7-14 .333
Wither 7-14 .333
The Dark Eternal Night 6-14-2 .318
Ytse Jam 7-15 .318
A Fortune In Lies 7-16 .304
To Live Forever 6-14 .300
Never Enough 6-15 .286
The Silent Man 5-14-2 .286
Raise the Knife 5-14-1 .275
Enigma Machine 6-16 .273
The Looking Glass 5-15-1 .262
I Walk Beside You 5-16 .238
Vacant 5-16 .238
New Millennium 5-17 .227
The Answer Lies Within 4-16-1 .214
Just Let Me Breathe 4-17-1 .205
Repentance 4-17 .190
A Rite of Passage 4-17 .190
Far From Heaven 4-18 .182
False Awakening Suite 3-18 .143
Anna Lee 3-19 .136
Only a Matter of Time 2-18-1 .119
Cover My Eyes 2-18 .100
Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-19 .095
Another Won 1-18-1 .075
Speak to Me 1-18-1 .075
Take Away My Pain 1-19-1 .071
Status Seeker 1-20 .048
Light Fuse and Getaway 1-20 .048
Regression 1-20 .048
Don’t Look Past Me 0-19-1 .025
Prophets of War 0-20-1 .024
Burning My Soul 0-21 .000
Raw Dog 0-20 .000
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-21.000
The Way It Used to Be 0-20 .000
You Not Me 0-21 .000
You or Me 0-20 .000