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« on: August 01, 2009, 11:35:51 PM »
Do you think sites like this should exist? Is giving privileged and confidential information always the best idea? Should everything be open to the public?

Here's an example for making this thread. Discuss.

Information from the Icelandic bank Kaupthing has been leaked to Wikileaks, and Kaupthing is working day and night to censor the information contained in the document! They've already managed to put a ban on The Icelandic National Broadcasting Service, banning all discussion about the document and are actively trying to censor the rest of the Icelandic media along with Wikileaks! Please, send this file to as many media outlets as you can. I hope someone from the international press picks this up and makes sense of the information contained within.

The document

Site at wikileaks

July 29, 2009
Summary
This confidential 210 page file presents an exposure analysis of 205 companies or groups from around the world each owing the Icelandic bank Kaupthing 45 million to 1250 million euros. Not long after producing this internal report, the bank collapsed.
Kaupthing's borrowers have or had operations in most countries.
Kaupthing previously operated in at least 13 countries, including all the Nordic countries, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States.
The bank's motto, prominently displayed in this report is Think Beyond.
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 11:42:33 PM »
I have a lot of mixed feelings about Wikileaks, but I'd rather it exist than not exist. If only because so much information about Scientology has been leaked through it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2009, 11:48:36 PM »
If only because so much information about Scientology has been leaked through it.
Yeah. This has made me a really happy person.

Also, while doing some "research" there, I've found classified documents that when reading them I think "this has nothing of confidential". Many stuff might be crap, and many documents there might be just stuff that I don't understand.
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 01:47:49 PM »
I love wikileaks. The BNP membership list was my fave WL so far. Any website that can make the powerful and corrupt tremble with fear has my enthusiastic approval.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 05:32:48 PM »
The BNP membership list was my fave WL so far.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 06:17:11 PM »
The BNP membership list was my fave WL so far.

English please? :P
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In case you weren't joking, BNP = British National Party, a neo-Nazi party in UK. WL = ...ah fuck it, you were joking.  :D
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 09:45:50 AM »
Pentagon targets Wiki whistle-blowers
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FOLLOW THEM ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/wikileaks

25 March 2010 | 12:37:25 PM | Source: SBS staff and agencies

A small, cash-strapped website that publishes documents governments want kept secret has caught the attention of the Pentagon, which says the site poses a possible threat to US troops.
 
A report by the US Army Counterintelligence Center says the whistleblower website WikiLeaks poses a potential danger to safeguarding troops, protecting sensitive information, and "operational security."

"WikiLeaks is currently under an aggressive US and Icelandic surveillance operation. Following/photographing/filming/detaining," Wikileaks posted on the microblogging site Twitter.

"If anything happens to us, you know why: it is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible,
" it added, about an hour later.

Editor followed

The Twitter feed also said that Wikileaks editor Julian Assange, an Australian, had been tailed on his way from Iceland, and another site employee was detained for 22 hours. Computers were also seized, it said.
 
We have airline records of the State Dep/CIA tails. Don't think you can get away with it. You cannot. This is WikiLeaks. about 21 hours ago via bit.ly Retweeted by you and 100+ others

We have been shown secret photos of our production meetings and been asked specific questions during detention related to the airstrike.
 
WikiLeaks also urged its Twitter followers to contact them if they knew anything about the 'operations against us'.

The last Twitter message from the site was published 16 hours after the first ones and said:

"To those worrying about us--we're fine, and will issue a suitable riposte shortly.

Military analysis published

A military analysis appeared this week on the WikiLeaks website, the latest document posted on the site that seeks to uncover information governments and companies try to keep from public view.
 
US Army spokesman Gary Tallman confirmed the report on the website was "genuine."
 
The report expresses concern that the website posted 2,000 pages of documents with precise details of military equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan from April 2007, describing them as "nearly the entire order of battle."
 
Tallman said that information has a "shelf life" and has become outdated.
 
"The information in the review is now dated to the point where it no longer presents the same national security concerns as it did when the report was generated," he told AFP.

Aim to expose contributors

The 2008 army report suggests trying to expose those who leak documents WikiLeaks as a way of undermining the website.

Sites such as WikiLeaks "use trust as a center of gravity by protecting the anonymity and identity of the insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers," it said.
 
"The identification, exposure, termination of employment, criminal prosecution, legal action against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could potentially damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others considering similar actions from using the Wikileaks.org Web site."
 
Tallman said the military seeks to safeguard sensitive information and is focused on preventing leaks that could endanger US forces or national security.
 
He said that "anyone who knowingly provides information marked as classified to anyone or an organization without a proper clearance or need to know is a serious matter, and subject to potential penalties under the law."

Temporary shutdown
 
WikiLeaks, run by Sunshine Press, describes itself as a "non-profit organization funded by human rights campaigners, investigative journalists, technologists and the general public."
 
The site, which has to rely in part on public contributions to stay afloat, had to temporarily shut down earlier this year because of financial difficulties.
 
WikiLeaks says it has published more than one million documents from dissident communities and anonymous sources around the world about government and corporate corruption, human rights violations and other subjects.
 
The Swiss bank Julius Baer & Company LTD earlier this month dropped a legal attempt to force Wikileaks to shut down.
 
A US federal judge in San Francisco ruled that the website's postings of leaked documents is protected as free speech by the US Constitution.
 
Julius Baer went after Wikileaks in court after the website posted copies of internal documents indicating the company helped customers launder money illegally through the Cayman Islands.

Baer denied the accusations.

What do you say, will they be able to release this or not?

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 09:53:49 AM »
"If anything happens to us, you know why: it is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible,[/u]" it added, about an hour later.

Lol.

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 10:07:49 AM »
If it sounds paranoid it is fake?

Protip of the day?

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 10:12:08 AM »
What do they expect?
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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 10:45:31 AM »
The discussion on this over at Fark, which is always fun:

https://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5140449

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 01:42:33 PM »
How does wikileaks verify accuracy? What's to stop someone from posting a fake "leak" which causes a huge political controversy, or just verifies a conspiracy theory?

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2010, 02:03:42 PM »
What do they expect?
They did expect it. They are just stating that they won't stop. And that if something happens, well, "now we'll know why".

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 02:53:20 PM »
What do they expect?
They did expect it. They are just stating that they won't stop. And that if something happens, well, "now we'll know why".
That's stupid.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2010, 06:36:47 PM »
What do they expect?
They did expect it. They are just stating that they won't stop. And that if something happens, well, "now we'll know why".
That's stupid.

 Lol hefdaddy opinions.



 THIS IS WIKILEAKS

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2010, 04:36:11 AM »
Why is military/CIA stuff OK to leak?  Secrecy is the name of the game.  They aren't doing any good leaking that stuff.  The public doesn't have a right to know EVERYTHING.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2010, 04:43:54 AM »
Why is military/CIA stuff OK to leak?  Secrecy is the name of the game.  They aren't doing any good leaking that stuff.  The public doesn't have a right to know EVERYTHING.
This is exactly what I was thinking.

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2010, 04:45:26 AM »
I have a lot of mixed feelings about Wikileaks, but I'd rather it exist than not exist.

Curious seeing how much you hold up privacy the rest of the time.
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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 08:16:40 AM »
Why is military/CIA stuff OK to leak?  Secrecy is the name of the game.  They aren't doing any good leaking that stuff.  The public doesn't have a right to know EVERYTHING.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Umm... even if it's "secret", WikiLeaks' aim is to whistle-blow the illegal actions these government agencies/big banks/armies are doing around the world. So when an agency is violating human rights with YOUR money, umm, yeah, the public has the right to know.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 12:01:31 PM »
I have a lot of mixed feelings about Wikileaks, but I'd rather it exist than not exist.

Curious seeing how much you hold up privacy the rest of the time.

Personal privacy is not the same as government and business not practicing basic transparency in the name of subjugating their citizens and customers.
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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2010, 01:03:40 PM »
How does wikileaks verify accuracy? What's to stop someone from posting a fake "leak" which causes a huge political controversy, or just verifies a conspiracy theory?

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2010, 01:28:48 PM »
I have a lot of mixed feelings about Wikileaks, but I'd rather it exist than not exist.

Curious seeing how much you hold up privacy the rest of the time.

Personal privacy is not the same as government and business not practicing basic transparency in the name of subjugating their citizens and customers.

How can you have personal privacy when you demand transparency of the actions of the individuals in the companies and governments in question?
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2010, 03:16:17 PM »
How can you have personal privacy when you demand transparency of the actions of the individuals in the companies and governments in question?

I only half understand your question. Not that Wikileaks hasn't gone too far by releasing certain documents, but the actions people perform in their personal lives and in the name of other institutions are not the same.

If the director of the FBI likes to watch porn starring pregnant women having sex with black guys when he gets home, that's 100% his business and no one else's. If he goes into work and writes memos arguing that American citizens can be wiretapped without search warrants, then it is our business and Wikileaks is providing an important function.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2010, 04:01:04 PM »
I'm with Reap on this one, though I'd like to know this as well:
How does wikileaks verify accuracy? What's to stop someone from posting a fake "leak" which causes a huge political controversy, or just verifies a conspiracy theory?
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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2010, 01:35:40 PM »
**NSFW**


Collateral Murder

WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff. Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded. For further information please visit the special project website:

This is one of the things disputed:
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« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2010, 02:26:52 PM »
NSFW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik

Video of the above incident

Those tripods (what I'm assuming are tripods) really do look like rifles, though.

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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2010, 03:25:41 PM »
I would be willing to buy that they were insurgents, but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#Airstrike_Video_Release

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1617459520070716?src=071607_1043_TOPSTORY_scores_killed_in_iraq&pageNumber=1

I'm not sure what to make of this, but either way, their attitude disgusts me. "It's their fault for bringing a kid to a battle." "Yep!"

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2010, 05:36:32 PM »


MB54588617

Iraq is mostly 38S, so if you plug that (38SMB54588617) into a converter to longitude/latitude, you will get 33.31 N 44.51 E. Put that into Google Earth or whatever and you can get the exact location of where it happened.

The coordinates they use is Military Grid Reference System, which is used by NATO. 8 digits (4 N/S, 4 W/E) means it's accurate up to 10 meters.

Result: https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33.31+N+44.51+E&sll=42.358431,-71.059773&sspn=0.584515,1.454315&ie=UTF8&ll=33.309361,44.513651&spn=0.005165,0.011362&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A

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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2010, 05:40:52 PM »
Hey that's really cool, thanks!

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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2010, 06:23:13 PM »
My only complaint is that the wikileaks video trys to influence people's opinion of the event instead of objectively showing the video without tugging on people's heartstrings.

It was an unfortunate and tragic event that could have been prevented, but I don't believe it was an intentional killing of innocents.

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« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2010, 06:49:07 PM »
Regardless of any attack, whether the people being shot deserve it or not, I don't see how those people can just laugh at it like a game.

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« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2010, 07:10:34 PM »
It was an unfortunate and tragic event that could have been prevented, but I don't believe it was an intentional killing of innocents.
"Please pick up a weapon" or "Come on, let us shoot them already!"

Nah, no intention at all. And the cover-up stories that were later polished and then published on renowned Newspapers like The NYTimes doesn't make suspicious at all. Yeah, WikiLeaks is just trying to make me go against the US Military for no apparent reason.

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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2010, 07:11:43 PM »
How does wikileaks verify accuracy? What's to stop someone from posting a fake "leak" which causes a huge political controversy, or just verifies a conspiracy theory?
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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2010, 07:20:48 PM »
It was an unfortunate and tragic event that could have been prevented, but I don't believe it was an intentional killing of innocents.
"Please pick up a weapon" or "Come on, let us shoot them already!"

Nah, no intention at all. And the cover-up stories that were later polished and then published on renowned Newspapers like The NYTimes doesn't make suspicious at all. Yeah, WikiLeaks is just trying to make me go against the US Military for no apparent reason.

To be fair, that doesn't mean they knew they were civilians.
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2010, 07:33:42 PM »
They also didn't do much recon to see if everyone was an insurgent. Like the first pic I posted, seriously, they jumped to conclusions that it was an RPG instead of a camera lens. To be fair on my part as well, the civilian stance behind the building was like a person who was gonna shoot... a picture.

Also, come on, you could see that they were just there talking, not in a "prepare for an attack!".