DT12 available on HD Tracks!

[Fiery Winds]

Go get it in all of its high resolution glory!

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD016861760465

[Zydar]

I'm getting it now!

[Perpetual Change]

Ya know, there's something genuinely annoying about being asked to preorder a version of an album on a daily basis, and then going ahead and spending money on it, only to have the superior project flung on everyone for an additional $20 on release day. Just sayin'.

That is the version of the album that I would have bought, if, y'know, I didn't already buy it.

[nikatapi]

Ι hope we can get some impressions about the quality difference between this release and the cd, i wouldn't spend 20 bucks just to get a tiny improvement.

It kinda sucks that they didn't have preorders for this version.

[The Stray Seed]

So this is something different from the actual album and even from the 5.1 mix?

[Kotowboy]

So this is something different from the actual album and even from the 5.1 mix?

I'd have much rather had a DVD of the HDTracks instead of the 5.1

Would have been a no-brainer then.

[The Stray Seed]

I just can't understand what these HD tracks actually are. I see you can download them in .wav format, isn't it the same format of the CD? So are these tracks any different or what?

[me7]

I just can't understand what these HD tracks actually are. I see you can download them in .wav format, isn't it the same format of the CD? So are these tracks any different or what?

We hope that it's a less compressed master. The tracks are also in 24bit/96kHz but that's negligible, really.

[Bolsters]

I see you can download them in .wav format, isn't it the same format of the CD? So are these tracks any different or what?

Same format does not mean same quality. Those formats are all capable of storing audio data at a higher quality than CD is capable of.

[The Stray Seed]

I see you can download them in .wav format, isn't it the same format of the CD? So are these tracks any different or what?

Same format does not mean same quality. Those formats are all capable of storing audio data at a higher quality than CD is capable of.

So you mean it's still .wav files but they could have more/better data in them?

EDIT: alright I've just seen this screenshot updated by chudm. I think it just says it all.

https://postimg.org/image/m6u08egff/

[nikatapi]

I see you can download them in .wav format, isn't it the same format of the CD? So are these tracks any different or what?

Same format does not mean same quality. Those formats are all capable of storing audio data at a higher quality than CD is capable of.

So you mean it's still .wav files but they could have more/better data in them?

EDIT: alright I've just seen this screenshot updated by chudm. I think it just says it all.

https://postimg.org/image/m6u08egff/

As it seems it's a much more dynamic master. I'll probably get that.

[chwik]

Seems like they don't sell to non-US citicens...

Edit: Seems like you can get it outside US by paying with paypal 

[metropofreak]

Seems like they don't sell to non-US citicens...

 

[Lowdz]

Stupid not available in your location. 

Was gonna be all over  that, especially with the 10% off

[BlobVanDam]

Seems like they don't sell to non-US citicens...

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU

[dedSurroun]

Wait, so are these tracks different than the CD version? As in, not as "hot" or whatever you call it? Sounds better?

If so, I'm buying in a heartbeat and will ignore the CD (no, didn't pre-order or buy yet).

[nikatapi]

Oh nice, they don't sell to Europe as it seems. Nice.

[chwik]

Seems like you can get it outside US by paying with paypal 

[Zook]

So these can't be stored on CD? Can they be played on normal computers or do you need special software? I never understood this either.

[jammindude]

If you rip HDTracks to CD...have you defeated the purpose?  Or will it still sound better than the CD?

[Kotowboy]

I asked that too and apparently they will still sound as good - just better than the retail CD.

[jammindude]

I asked that too and apparently they will still sound as good - just better than the retail CD.

As good or better?

[me7]

If you rip HDTracks to CD...have you defeated the purpose?  Or will it still sound better than the CD?

If they are indeed better, they will stay better. 24bit and 96kHz doesn't matter at all. Al that matters is the master. If the master is better than the retail-CD master, it will stay better when you burn it on a CDR.

[MetalJens]

Would be great if someone could post a review/impression of this HD track version vs. the normal CD version! 

[chaotic_ripper]

Why can't they just sell the CD with this quality then?

[Zydar]

Seems like you can get it outside US by paying with paypal 

Yeah, that's how I managed to get it.

[chwik]

Seems like they don't sell to non-US citicens...

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU

You can get them by paying with paypal. I was a little bit hasty in my communication.Sorry

[Zook]

I want the physical copy, but I want to hear this too. Quick! Someone buy it for me!

[goo-goo]

I bought the ADTOE HD Tracks version and there are minor improvements when converting the HD track to a normal mp3 (VBR 320). The snare sound had a definitely improvement over the normal CD version. That was the most noticeable. But keep in mind that I downgraded the sound quality once I converted it to mp3.

As far as equipment goes, I think you can play it in your DVD player. It won't be a 5.1 mix like the deluxe version. It would likely play a stereo mix but at a higher resolution. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If you have a high end audio player, you will notice a difference. If you have a relatively cheap sound system, you will most likely not hear the differences.

[Implode]

I've been wondering that as well. I think it's the mainstream expects loudness war affected music, but with this they can also cater to the fans who care about quality.

With ADTOE, the difference was noticeable even after I compressed them to mp3's to put on my iPhone. I'm sure it'll be similar with DT12.

So these can't be stored on CD? Can they be played on normal computers or do you need special software? I never understood this either.

As long as you can play one of the types of files you can downloaded as, you can hear it at full quality. They have wavs, flacs, and aiffs if I remember right. I listened to the ADTOE flacs on my computer with foobar, and they sound way better than the original mix.

[MetalJens]

Why can't they just sell the CD with this quality then?

I'm not really an audiophile or anything, but my guess is that this version is primarily mastered for high-end audio systems, whereas the retail version has to sound reasonably good on everything from cheap laptop speakers and stereos etc., and therefore is mastered in a different way?

But I might be totally wrong here 

[metropofreak]

Seems like you can get it outside US by paying with paypal 

Yeah, that's how I managed to get it.

How do you manage to pay with paypal? The red button doesn't let me 

[thunderdog10]

does anyone know if the 2 channel version on the 5.1 DVD is 96/24??

[Zydar]

Seems like you can get it outside US by paying with paypal 

Yeah, that's how I managed to get it.

How do you manage to pay with paypal? The red button doesn't let me 

When you are done shopping you click on Checkout and then you get to choose if you want to continue or check out with PayPal. Sorry, it's hard to describe.

[IslandInTheMaking]

If you rip HDTracks to CD...have you defeated the purpose?  Or will it still sound better than the CD?

Burning it to cd doesn't change the dynamic range, so if it's different it stays that way. The only thing you'll loose is the sample rate and bit depth. There is a difference but will you notice it? Depends on your hearing and your system.. You have to check first that your audio system supports playing a higher bit/sample rate. And make sure that it is set to play it too..  I know that I can have the HD file playing in VLC or WMP, but I'll have to manually change the samplerate bit depth through windows control panel/sound options or it'll just downsample it back to 16/44.1 on the fly.. The differences to me are on a similat scale as the diffenrence between 1080p and 1080i in HD video.