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Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« on: September 24, 2013, 08:34:37 AM »
A lot of people mention this song as one of their favourites from DT12, so I thought it'd deserve its own thread.
It took me a while to really like STR, but now I can't get enough of it. Restless angels kind of overshadows the whole song imo, but the rest is fantastic as well. My favourite parts are probably the acoustic verse, the chorus and of course the outro :metal

So what are your thoughts about it?

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 08:38:59 AM »
Surrender to Reason is a fantastic Rush Dream Theater song. Loved it right away.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 08:40:02 AM »
A great song with fine lyrics by Myung. The Restless Angels section is the highlight, along with the solo after the first chorus. A Top 3 song from this album.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 08:41:18 AM »
Progressive rock at its best. Really, really strong track.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 08:47:20 AM »
One of my favorites for sure.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 09:27:36 AM »
Top 3 for me right now.  Has everything I love about DT.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 09:30:45 AM »
Incredible thought-provoking lyrics by JM.  I absolutely love the phrase "surrender to reason."  He is so poetic.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 12:03:27 PM »
During the Q&A, I believe two band members listed this song as one of the songs they are most enjoying listening to at this time.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 12:13:43 PM »
Just an unbelievably great song. Love the intro. Love the lyrics. Love the call/response between the lyrics and guitar in the "visions flow" section. Love the first guitar solo. Love the organ. Love the bass lead in to the second solo. LOVE the riffing under the "through sacrifices made" bit, and the build of the drums. Such amazing stuff.

My favorite on the album right now, and very likely to earn a place in my top 10 eventually.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 12:16:12 PM »
Love this song.  Definitely one of my favorites from the new record.  :tup :tup

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 12:59:50 PM »
The acoustic verse is one of my favorite parts of the whole album. The whole song is really good, but that part takes the cake.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 01:07:38 PM »
The acoustic verse is one of my favorite parts of the whole album. The whole song is really good, but that part takes the cake.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 01:08:24 PM »
This was prob the last song to grow on me. Now,I love it.  :heart

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 02:26:42 PM »
That riff! :metal :metal :metal One of the best riffs on the album. I mean the one after the acoustic verse. That, the chorus, and the outro are my favorite parts. Definitely my 2nd favorite song on the album behind IT.

Also, anyone else feel a definite presence of both Learning To Live and Bridges In The Sky? Surrender To Reason feels like an appropriate mixture of those two songs, of course since it's a Myung song. The lyrics, as always by Myung, are great and some of my favorite on the album. It has the spirituality of BITS and the life-lesson-esque feel of LTL.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 02:55:26 PM »
Fantastic song.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2013, 02:58:32 PM »
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 04:29:26 PM »
I LOVE IT. It's still soon in the running, but it's poking it's peen top in the b-hole of mah top ten.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2013, 10:25:29 PM »
That riff is awesome.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 11:28:02 PM »
A great song with fine lyrics by Myung. The Restless Angels section is the highlight, along with the solo after the first chorus. A Top 3 song from this album.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2013, 01:34:29 AM »
It took a while to really appreciate this one. The first time I was like "oh ok, it's cool but I don't know, I miss something" and so the other two listenings. The day after I was in my car and suddenly I was totally mesmerized by the acoustic verse and the chorus and as many of you already said the "restless angels" part is "ABSOLUTLY PHN-O-MNL" :biggrin:
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2013, 01:48:39 AM »
After the "Angels" part towards the end builds up with the JP melody underneath it and they go back into those triumphant chords from the opening of the song I get chills every time. So awesomely beautiful.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2013, 12:28:26 AM »
Just listening to this again now. Great song, and definitely one of the strongest on the album. :tup
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 06:28:45 AM »
I just noticed how much I love the little riff part with the organ (?) sounds that appears multiple times throughout the song :metal

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 06:47:04 AM »
At the moment this is my favourite song on the album.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2013, 09:58:22 AM »
At the moment this is my favourite song on the album.
And is it a coincidence that it is the only song with JM lyrics?



































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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2013, 10:19:22 AM »
:lol

But yeah, my favourite on ADTOE is BAI - also the only one with JM lyrics.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2013, 05:56:51 PM »
Probably the biggest highlight of what I considered to be a pretty underwhelming album (on first listen).

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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2013, 11:31:19 PM »
I won't be surprised if this ends up being my favorite song from the new record; it sounds more and more awesome every time I listen to it.  :coolio

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2013, 04:30:40 AM »
I like it more each time I hear it as well.  I absolutely love the beginning, with full band to the acoustic guitar/JLB section, and then electric guitar coming in.  Fantastic stuff.
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2013, 02:32:25 PM »
Definitely a mid 80's Rush vibe and that's not a bad thing. I love the ebb and flow of this track. One of my favs.

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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2013, 03:20:07 PM »
Definitely one of MY favorites on the album, along with IT and TBP...and BTV. Actually everything after EM is just pretty damn good (yes, even AFTR, but of the last five songs on the album, it's my least favorite).

Love the 80's Rush feel to it, and the outro section is amazing. It's like every song with JMX lyrics just ends up being amazing!

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2013, 11:18:13 PM »
This one opened itself up the least to me initially; it's the only one that didn't grab me on the first play. But it's a fantastic song and one of my favorites of the album.

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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2013, 03:40:00 AM »
along with the solo after the first chorus.

My fav part of the album.

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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2013, 05:08:08 AM »
I just noticed how much I love the little riff part with the organ (?) sounds that appears multiple times throughout the song :metal

My favorites are the one during "Life gives you brighter days" and that bass riff during "late night at smoking club" section :rollin
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Re: Surrender To Reason Appreciation
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2013, 06:19:28 AM »
One of the very best songs on the album.  The melody, the chorus, the breakdown in the middle.  Just great.