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Offline jakepriest

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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1050 on: January 15, 2014, 11:38:07 AM »
Quote from: puppyonacid on January 15, 2014, 09:04:47 AM
I got the album at Christmas and it's been on regular rotation in my car since.

Maybe I'm getting old or something but I'm not feeling the magic as much. I still thinks it's a strong album though but it does kind of feel a bit formulaic.

I like IT as the stand out track. But, as nice as the string section is I don't understand why it's there other than - because they can put it there.

I don't think it's the worst but I prefer ADTOE.

Do not get me going on the production. It's suffocating. ADTOE had better production. I preferred the tone of the guitar and the drum sound. The constant "pshht" sound on the snare on DT12 is a bit distracting for me. All the toms (not the octo wotsits - the kit toms) seem to sound the same pitch.

Good - not great - not bad.

All of this.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1051 on: January 15, 2014, 12:22:37 PM »
Quote from: puppyonacid on January 15, 2014, 09:04:47 AM
All the toms (not the octo wotsits - the kit toms) seem to sound the same pitch.
Yeah, in some of the faster fills it's hard to tell the toms, the snare and the kick apart, they're all so similar in tone.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1052 on: January 15, 2014, 12:38:07 PM »
Oh, we're already talking about chopping the album up? OK. here's what I'd do.

1. The Illumination Theory - Just the Ambient / Tchaikovsky section
2. The Enemy Inside
3. The Looking Glass
4. The Enigma Machine
5. The Bigger Picture
6. Behind the Veil
7. Surrender to Reason
8. Along for the Ride
9. The Illumination Theory - Outro
Overall album run time - about 50 minutes

Sorry guys, but The Illumination Theory just doesn't feel right to me. I can either chop it up like this, or get rid of completely, but I can't accept it as is :P
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1053 on: January 15, 2014, 12:52:26 PM »
The ambient, orchestral and easter-egg outro parts of Illumination Theory are the parts that ruin the song...
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1054 on: January 15, 2014, 02:57:13 PM »
I love it, it's an amazing album with 2 new dream theater's classics : The bigger Picture and Illumination Theory.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1055 on: January 15, 2014, 03:19:29 PM »
Very disappointed, vocal effects everywhere, that alone puts me off it, too formulaic, just guitar fest and the drum sounds are awful... Never listen to it, must have listened to the album around 3 times.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1056 on: January 15, 2014, 04:19:03 PM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 15, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
4. The Enigma Machine
I'm starting to think people do this intentionally. :\
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1057 on: January 15, 2014, 05:13:29 PM »
Quote from: jonnybaxy on January 15, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Very disappointed, vocal effects everywhere, that alone puts me off it, too formulaic, just guitar fest and the drum sounds are awful... Never listen to it, must have listened to the album around 3 times.

so what you're saying is you don't like the album?  :lol
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1058 on: January 15, 2014, 05:15:21 PM »
Quote from: Tis BOOLsheet on January 15, 2014, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: jonnybaxy on January 15, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Very disappointed, vocal effects everywhere, that alone puts me off it, too formulaic, just guitar fest and the drum sounds are awful... Never listen to it, must have listened to the album around 3 times.

so what you're saying is you don't like the album?  :lol

What makes you say that?  :lol
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1059 on: January 15, 2014, 07:35:02 PM »
I agree the vocal effects are weird, unnecessary, and some what distracting.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1060 on: January 15, 2014, 09:31:17 PM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 15, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
Oh, we're already talking about chopping the album up? OK. here's what I'd do.

1. The Illumination Theory - Just the Ambient / Tchaikovsky section
2. The Enemy Inside
3. The Looking Glass
4. The Enigma Machine
5. The Bigger Picture
6. Behind the Veil
7. Surrender to Reason
8. Along for the Ride
9. The Illumination Theory - Outro
Overall album run time - about 50 minutes

Sorry guys, but The Illumination Theory just doesn't feel right to me. I can either chop it up like this, or get rid of completely, but I can't accept it as is :P

Whoa, That would be kinda cool!  IMO there's something wrong with IT  too :D I don't know what it is....
And still I would get rid of Thenigmachine :23
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1061 on: January 15, 2014, 10:17:26 PM »
I haven't listened to the album in about a month, and coming back to it yesterday, I still stand by my opinion that it's a classic DT album. Top 5 worthy.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1062 on: January 16, 2014, 01:47:38 AM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 15, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I haven't listened to the album in about a month, and coming back to it yesterday, I still stand by my opinion that it's a classic DT album. Top 5 worthy.
i agree with you............it's the best DT album
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1063 on: January 16, 2014, 04:57:39 AM »
Quote from: jakepriest on January 15, 2014, 12:52:26 PM
The ambient, orchestral and easter-egg outro parts of Illumination Theory are the parts that ruin the song...

The fact that the track ends is what ruins the song.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1064 on: January 16, 2014, 05:05:47 AM »
Quote from: jakepriest on January 15, 2014, 12:52:26 PM
The ambient, orchestral and easter-egg outro parts of Illumination Theory are the parts that ruin the song...
How can the Easter egg ruin the song when it's not part of it?
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1065 on: January 16, 2014, 05:30:58 AM »
Quote from: ? on January 16, 2014, 05:05:47 AM
Quote from: jakepriest on January 15, 2014, 12:52:26 PM
The ambient, orchestral and easter-egg outro parts of Illumination Theory are the parts that ruin the song...
How can the Easter egg ruin the song when it's not part of it?

well, technically it is part of it because it is on the same track.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1066 on: January 16, 2014, 07:05:26 AM »
Technically, the hidden banjo'ized version of Bonded By Blood is on the same track as Bedlam 1-2-3 on Exodus's album The Atrocity Exhibition: Exhibit A, but obviously it's not a part of the song.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1067 on: January 16, 2014, 10:48:39 PM »
Quote from: jakepriest on January 15, 2014, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: puppyonacid on January 15, 2014, 09:04:47 AM
I got the album at Christmas and it's been on regular rotation in my car since.

Maybe I'm getting old or something but I'm not feeling the magic as much. I still thinks it's a strong album though but it does kind of feel a bit formulaic.

I like IT as the stand out track. But, as nice as the string section is I don't understand why it's there other than - because they can put it there.

I don't think it's the worst but I prefer ADTOE.

Do not get me going on the production. It's suffocating. ADTOE had better production. I preferred the tone of the guitar and the drum sound. The constant "pshht" sound on the snare on DT12 is a bit distracting for me. All the toms (not the octo wotsits - the kit toms) seem to sound the same pitch.

Good - not great - not bad.

All of this.


All of this and more, was removed from my cd player way to fast, hate the drum sound. Don't really like the shorter songs. Illumination theory starts with numerous rehashed riffs we have heard is some form or another before although over all I do like the song and I;m sure live it will be stunning. The looking Glass fans really seem to like, I just don't get it. Yes the bass break down is very nice, but the song goes nowhere and ends to abruptly IMO. I really like Surrender to Reason the best but it looks like they are not playing that one live at least yet.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1068 on: January 17, 2014, 06:53:39 AM »
Right now I think it's a bit same-old-same-old. And the production has no feel.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1069 on: January 17, 2014, 03:41:42 PM »
1. It's my favorite DT and also my album of 2013.
2. If you don't like the album why you're still a DT fan.
3. If you're confirmed about weaknesses of DT12 then why don't you make a perfect album.
4. All hater's should make a album which can amaze DT members and  they become your fan.
5. If you think DT lineup is not good why don't you guys make a perfect band.
6. I love DT, i love their decisions, i love current lineup and i know they're perfect.
7. If they're that bad then start listening to A7X, 1D or bieber.  :xbones
8. DTvarium till death!
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1070 on: January 17, 2014, 03:43:45 PM »
Quote from: haceeb on January 17, 2014, 03:41:42 PM
2. If you don't like the album why you're still a DT fan.
3. If you're confirmed about weaknesses of DT12 then why don't you make a perfect album.
4. All hater's should make a album which can amaze DT members and  they become your fan.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1071 on: January 17, 2014, 03:55:48 PM »
Quote from: haceeb on January 17, 2014, 03:41:42 PM
1. It's my favorite DT and also my album of 2013.
2. If you don't like the album why you're still a DT fan.
3. If you're confirmed about weaknesses of DT12 then why don't you make a perfect album.
4. All hater's should make a album which can amaze DT members and  they become your fan.
5. If you think DT lineup is not good why don't you guys make a perfect band.
6. I love DT, i love their decisions, i love current lineup and i know they're perfect.
7. If they're that bad then start listening to A7X, 1D or bieber.  :xbones
8. DTvarium till death!

Be honest, you took this from YouTube, didn't you?
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1072 on: January 17, 2014, 03:59:26 PM »
no sir  :tup
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1073 on: January 17, 2014, 04:01:20 PM »
Well a lot of those don't make sense and are illogical.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1074 on: January 17, 2014, 04:02:49 PM »
Quote from: Zook on January 17, 2014, 04:01:20 PM
Well a lot of those don't make sense and are illogical.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1075 on: January 17, 2014, 04:02:54 PM »
Quote from: Zook on January 17, 2014, 04:01:20 PM
Well a lot of those don't make sense and are illogical.
Pretty much this.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1076 on: January 17, 2014, 04:05:15 PM »
I'm confirmed about weaknesses of DT12.  Guess I'd better go make a perfect album...
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1077 on: January 17, 2014, 04:06:13 PM »
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:05:15 PM
I'm confirmed about weaknesses of DT12.  Guess I'd better go make a perfect album...
How about a collaboration? I need to make a perfect album too.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1078 on: January 17, 2014, 04:06:29 PM »
it was to the point....away  :rollin
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1079 on: January 17, 2014, 04:07:18 PM »
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1080 on: January 17, 2014, 04:07:34 PM »
Quote from: Onno on January 17, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:05:15 PM
I'm confirmed about weaknesses of DT12.  Guess I'd better go make a perfect album...
How about a collaboration? I need to make a perfect album too.

Cool.  Think you could handle, like, everything?  I have no musical skill whatsoever.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1081 on: January 17, 2014, 04:08:34 PM »
Quote from: Onno on January 17, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:05:15 PM
I'm confirmed about weaknesses of DT12.  Guess I'd better go make a perfect album...
How about a collaboration? I need to make a perfect album too.
i will criticize it to this extend too don't worry  :metal
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1082 on: January 17, 2014, 04:09:39 PM »
Yeah, but then you'll have to go and make an even more perfect album, or your opinion will be invalid.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1083 on: January 17, 2014, 04:09:59 PM »
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: Onno on January 17, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:05:15 PM
I'm confirmed about weaknesses of DT12.  Guess I'd better go make a perfect album...
How about a collaboration? I need to make a perfect album too.

Cool.  Think you could handle, like, everything?  I have no musical skill whatsoever.
but i want your perfect album now  ;D
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #1084 on: January 17, 2014, 04:10:12 PM »
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: Onno on January 17, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Jaffa on January 17, 2014, 04:05:15 PM
I'm confirmed about weaknesses of DT12.  Guess I'd better go make a perfect album...
How about a collaboration? I need to make a perfect album too.

Cool.  Think you could handle, like, everything?  I have no musical skill whatsoever.
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