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Offline dongringo

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« Reply #1365 on: September 17, 2013, 08:51:40 PM »
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I think I am.  I've just been heaping praise on the album since the stream was put up.  It's kind of embarrassing, actually, since just about everyone else has been much more reserved, but every time I listen to it I become more certain that I'll eventually view this as being on the same tier as Images and Six Degrees.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one then :)

You're not the only ones.  :metal
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« Reply #1366 on: September 17, 2013, 09:01:56 PM »
Quote from: dongringo on September 17, 2013, 08:51:40 PM
Quote from: Dark Castle on September 17, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
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I think I am.  I've just been heaping praise on the album since the stream was put up.  It's kind of embarrassing, actually, since just about everyone else has been much more reserved, but every time I listen to it I become more certain that I'll eventually view this as being on the same tier as Images and Six Degrees.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one then :)

You're not the only ones.  :metal

right there with you all...   :tup
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« Reply #1367 on: September 17, 2013, 09:24:27 PM »
Did my ritual road trip and listened to the album all the way through. I'm in love with it and I feel this is another great addition to DTs catalog. 

One thing I don't get is why some people get so personally offended at someone elses opinion. Whether you hate it or love it, what is the point in attacking someone that doesn't see things your way? For instance, I personally love the new album yet in no way will someone that hates it change anything for me. Like, how does someone elses opinion change what the music does for you? As if their opinion somehow changes the music itself.

Anyway, I'm gonna get tons of enjoyment from this new album and I'm genuinely grateful that DT keeps putting out new material and taking things to a new level each time.
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« Reply #1368 on: September 17, 2013, 09:40:06 PM »
The Looking Glass is my fave by far...its the "DT doing Rush" song I've been wanting to hear since I became a fan.  Every song has some really great parts and I like them all, although I still haven't completely "gotten" Surrender to Reason.  Seems like the chorus at the end drags on for an extra 2 or 3 bars and it's just not sinking in for me.  Love the rest of it though!!
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« Reply #1369 on: September 17, 2013, 09:52:06 PM »
Quote from: evz on September 17, 2013, 09:01:56 PM
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I think I am.  I've just been heaping praise on the album since the stream was put up.  It's kind of embarrassing, actually, since just about everyone else has been much more reserved, but every time I listen to it I become more certain that I'll eventually view this as being on the same tier as Images and Six Degrees.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one then :)
You're not the only ones.  :metal

right there with you all...   :tup

I know this is a honeymoon period for all of us, but since the second full album listen, count me in. The experience is actually pretty much the same when I heard SFAM for the first time. At first I was like, "There's definitely something really special here, but I can't digest it all the way because it's really grandiose.", but then I just loved it more and more upon each listen.
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« Reply #1370 on: September 17, 2013, 10:08:44 PM »
Ok Behind The Veil is clicking with in all of the right ways! Working its way up in this albums depth chart that's for sure!
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« Reply #1371 on: September 17, 2013, 10:14:40 PM »
Getting better with each listen :)
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« Reply #1372 on: September 17, 2013, 10:19:45 PM »
For some reason, almost every prog album I heard this year was hard to "get" on first listen. (The Mountain,Coal and now DT12)
Oh and IT is top 3 DT for me atm.
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« Reply #1373 on: September 17, 2013, 10:24:29 PM »
The jet sound at the end of the orchestra in Illumination Theory scared me. D:
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« Reply #1374 on: September 17, 2013, 10:25:36 PM »
IT is def growing on me. I feel like all the songs are becoming more memorable as I follow along with the lyrics as well.

I was struggling with the first three listens. ADTOE seemed easier to get into.
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« Reply #1375 on: September 17, 2013, 11:52:38 PM »
i need to say it again. the riffage in IT is amazing. oh man. OH MAN
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« Reply #1376 on: September 17, 2013, 11:54:34 PM »
Ok...I'm going through my third listen tonight, and I have a new favorite. 

The outro to The Bigger Picture literally just made me weepy as I was trying to share it with my son.    YOU MADE ME CRY IN FRONT OF MY SON DT!!!!   ONLY BIG FISH (the movie) HAS EVER DONE THAT!!!!

This album.....this freakin album.    This is just blowing my freakin mind.   I honestly cannot even begin to convey in words how much I am loving this album!!
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« Reply #1377 on: September 17, 2013, 11:58:35 PM »
I played SFAM for a week straight when it came out because it was so good, and to take it all in.
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« Reply #1378 on: September 18, 2013, 12:03:07 AM »
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« Reply #1379 on: September 18, 2013, 12:11:31 AM »
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I still feel this way about that section of IT....but I'm starting to feel like the outro to The Bigger Picture may very well be its equal.
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« Reply #1380 on: September 18, 2013, 12:31:46 AM »
i think a band is very special when you can't wait to hear the new songs live, not just the classics over and over again.

I want the whole album live during the evening with
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« Reply #1381 on: September 18, 2013, 01:09:42 AM »
Just did some math, and my curiosity was confirmed.    The average song length of the new album is 7 1/2 minutes long.   That is the shortest average since SFAM (which is just short of 6 1/2 min average). 

If you take out IT, and just average the remaining eight songs...it's the shortest average (5:45) in band history....the runner up would be WDADU (6:15). 

Just as an additional ripple.  Of the post-SFAM *MP* albums, the shortest average song length is Octavarium...and the average song length on that album is *9 1/2 MINUTES*....
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« Reply #1382 on: September 18, 2013, 01:53:32 AM »
I heard the album 5 times a began to like at after the third listening. that's always a great sign if the album don't klick the first times listening for me. now I can't wait to hear it again in an uncompressed sound file. this album has something special a its the first since SFAM were every song is great. I think it's one of the best DT ever made.
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« Reply #1383 on: September 18, 2013, 02:02:20 AM »
Quote from: chrisbDTM on September 18, 2013, 12:31:46 AM
i think a band is very special when you can't wait to hear the new songs live, not just the classics over and over again.

I want the whole album live during the evening with

Same here and I'll probably cry like that woman when I'll listen to IT. Now you can fool me.
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« Reply #1384 on: September 18, 2013, 02:15:19 AM »
Some parts of the instrumentation in The Bigger Picture reminds me of Eve. TBP is just a fantastic and emotional song from beginning to end! Goosebumps!
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« Reply #1385 on: September 18, 2013, 03:12:57 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bombadil on September 17, 2013, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on September 17, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
Bizarrely - not only do the songs get better on repeated listens but the production does too.

Probably just acclimatising to it - but the really aggressive feel of all the instruments really works.

This album has so much punch that A Dramatic Turn... was lacking.

Really looking forward to blasting this album on CD.
Totally agree. With every additional listen I'm like "this mix really isn't bad". Somehow it just sounds cleaner with more listens. Can't explain why, though.

Maybe because it's so brickwalled that you need a lot of listens to pick up details between the noise?
Why do you try to turn it into a good thing, that you need a lot of listens to just hear what's going on? I don't meant digesting the complexity of the music, but plainly telling instruments apart.
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« Reply #1386 on: September 18, 2013, 03:37:23 AM »
The only place where I was able to find IT lyrics is in the link below, but some are wrong, as James at the end clearly sings "you'll never know that you're alive", rather than "you'll never know the joy in life".

https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107859467467/
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« Reply #1387 on: September 18, 2013, 04:24:28 AM »
Very first "serious" listening.

Very bad feeling  :'( , but still listening...

Seems it demands many listenings, this album is not easily "accessible" like ADTOE was.
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« Reply #1388 on: September 18, 2013, 04:49:30 AM »
Quote from: jammindude on September 18, 2013, 12:11:31 AM
I still feel this way about that section of IT....but I'm starting to feel like the outro to The Bigger Picture may very well be its equal.

I know everyone's excited about Illumination Theory, but The Bigger Picture isn't getting nearly enough love imo. Some of the album's most beautiful moments are hidden on that track.
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« Reply #1389 on: September 18, 2013, 04:51:38 AM »
I don't see the difficulty in this record, almost every part was very cool to me on first listen.

The production is weird and has two sides to it. On one hand there's the snare sound, which I feel is ugly, but has a good amount of meat to go with the heavy guitars. This album luckily sounds more ballsy than ADTOE, which was much needed.

Then on the other it's compressed to hell. I do get ear fatigue from it. I played SDOIT after it (a fairly loud album) and didn't believe how rich and dynamic it suddenly sounded. I'm def buying the HD tracks version if it becomes available.
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Re: Self Titled Stream Discussion thread [READ FIRST POST, SPOILERS THEREAFTER]
« Reply #1390 on: September 18, 2013, 04:53:35 AM »
Quote from: theseoafs on September 18, 2013, 04:49:30 AM
Quote from: jammindude on September 18, 2013, 12:11:31 AM
I still feel this way about that section of IT....but I'm starting to feel like the outro to The Bigger Picture may very well be its equal.

I know everyone's excited about Illumination Theory, but The Bigger Picture isn't getting nearly enough love imo. Some of the album's most beautiful moments are hidden on that track.

Actually a lot of people in this topic have strongly praised the song. Search through the thread and you'll find many superpositive comments on TBP, which I absolutely share. The song is just astounding. Fact is the level of all songs on this album is so high that it's difficult to choose which one's the best! Man I'm so impressed by this...

Here's one of the comments I was talking about =)

Quote from: jammindude on September 17, 2013, 11:54:34 PM
Ok...I'm going through my third listen tonight, and I have a new favorite. 

The outro to The Bigger Picture literally just made me weepy as I was trying to share it with my son.    YOU MADE ME CRY IN FRONT OF MY SON DT!!!!   ONLY BIG FISH (the movie) HAS EVER DONE THAT!!!!

This album.....this freakin album.    This is just blowing my freakin mind.   I honestly cannot even begin to convey in words how much I am loving this album!!

Speaking of which, I totally agree with you, jammindude!!
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« Reply #1391 on: September 18, 2013, 04:57:02 AM »
That little bit of JR piano in TBP with the heartbeat is very cool. He just plays those chords and doesn't even play a 32nd-note arpeggio. What a restraint!  :lol
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« Reply #1392 on: September 18, 2013, 05:01:29 AM »
Quote from: PixelDream on September 18, 2013, 04:57:02 AM
That little bit of JR piano in TBP with the heartbeat is very cool. He just plays those chords and doesn't even play a 32nd-note arpeggio. What a restraint!  :lol

Υeah, that was very nice!
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« Reply #1393 on: September 18, 2013, 05:02:19 AM »
Quote from: PixelDream on September 18, 2013, 04:51:38 AM
Then on the other it's compressed to hell. I do get ear fatigue from it. I played SDOIT after it (a fairly loud album) and didn't believe how rich and dynamic it suddenly sounded. I'm def buying the HD tracks version if it becomes available.

I think this is the main reason why it takes multiple listens to appreciate it, listening to it is just fatiguing. Good writing (sometimes even great) but terrible mastering :tdwn
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« Reply #1394 on: September 18, 2013, 05:07:18 AM »
Quote from: PixelDream on September 18, 2013, 04:57:02 AM
That little bit of JR piano in TBP with the heartbeat is very cool. He just plays those chords and doesn't even play a 32nd-note arpeggio. What a restraint!  :lol

He actually shows the same restraint most of the time.
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« Reply #1395 on: September 18, 2013, 05:09:02 AM »
Quote from: PixelDream on September 18, 2013, 04:51:38 AM
Then on the other it's compressed to hell. I do get ear fatigue from it. I played SDOIT after it (a fairly loud album)
Yeah, it's something I'm trying to overcome with subsequent listens and this is exactly why I think it'll take a while for me (and plenty of others) to digest completely.

Quote from: PixelDream on September 18, 2013, 04:51:38 AM
I'm def buying the HD tracks version if it becomes available.
You and me both.
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« Reply #1396 on: September 18, 2013, 05:22:17 AM »
Quote from: sylvinception on September 18, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Very first "serious" listening.

Very bad feeling  :'( , but still listening...

Seems it demands many listenings, this album is not easily "accessible" like ADTOE was.

Agree. 100%
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« Reply #1397 on: September 18, 2013, 05:23:28 AM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on September 18, 2013, 05:07:18 AM
Quote from: PixelDream on September 18, 2013, 04:57:02 AM
That little bit of JR piano in TBP with the heartbeat is very cool. He just plays those chords and doesn't even play a 32nd-note arpeggio. What a restraint!  :lol

He actually shows the same restraint most of the time.
Agreed, and I do find comments like that a bit silly.
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« Reply #1398 on: September 18, 2013, 05:47:57 AM »
The Happy riff in The Looking Glass reminds me of :

When The Going Gets Tough, The Tough Get Going by Billy Ocean
Jump by Van Halen
& Something off Permission To land by the Darkness

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« Reply #1399 on: September 18, 2013, 06:25:51 AM »
Quote from: JediKnight1969 on September 18, 2013, 05:22:17 AM
Quote from: sylvinception on September 18, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Very first "serious" listening.

Very bad feeling  :'( , but still listening...

Seems it demands many listenings, this album is not easily "accessible" like ADTOE was.

Agree. 100%

We´re on different sides of the spectrum here...ADTOE took me many listens to finally get, and it´s still quite far from being my favourite album. DT12, on the other hand, gets better at every listen. Yesterday I said it was on par with 6DOIT, Awake and I&W. Scrap that, it´s much better than 6DOIT. Hopefully the hype about this album will last long.
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