King Crimson Appreciation Thread

[Nel_Annette]

Quite a nice collection you got there!

I wonder why Construkction ist the only one they re-released with a new cover. Yeah, it IS the worst King Crimson cover (in my opinion), but Robert is usually very careful with changing things like that, isn't he? It seems he usually has a lot of respect for the original, so does Steven Wilson.

Still, I really hope for a vinyl release. Does anyone know in which order/with which time difference the last albums were re-released on CD and vinyl? I think it was always first the CD and then the vinyl after some time, but I could be wrong.

Apparently they lost some of the original audio, and I've read that Fripp really disliked the album, so this "remaster" is actually a complete rerecording of the album with the current line-up, hence the cover change.

[me7]

Beware that the DVD of Reconstruction is glitched. Some tracks are sped up by 10%, changing the pitch of the music.
The Reconstruction CD is fine. Only the Reconstruction DVD is broken.

However, in the 150€ boxset several discs are faulty and the label doesn't intend to fix them

[IDontNotDoThings]

Is the album actually good this time? 

[devieira73]

Quite a nice collection you got there!

I wonder why Construkction ist the only one they re-released with a new cover. Yeah, it IS the worst King Crimson cover (in my opinion), but Robert is usually very careful with changing things like that, isn't he? It seems he usually has a lot of respect for the original, so does Steven Wilson.

Still, I really hope for a vinyl release. Does anyone know in which order/with which time difference the last albums were re-released on CD and vinyl? I think it was always first the CD and then the vinyl after some time, but I could be wrong.

Apparently they lost some of the original audio, and I've read that Fripp really disliked the album, so this "remaster" is actually a complete rerecording of the album with the current line-up, hence the cover change.

https://burningshed.com/king-crimson_the-reconstrukction-of-light_cd_dvda
Only the drums were rerecorded, which I think it turns out being excellent, since my only dislike on that album were the electronic drums.

[Nel_Annette]

Only the drums were rerecorded, which I think it turns out being excellent, since my only dislike on that album were the electronic drums.

Thanks for clarifying! I was getting my info from the wiki page. 

[goo-goo]

Beware that the DVD of Reconstruction is glitched. Some tracks are sped up by 10%, changing the pitch of the music.
The Reconstruction CD is fine. Only the Reconstruction DVD is broken.

However, in the 150€ boxset several discs are faulty and the label doesn't intend to fix them

Where did you buy the CD/DVD from? Not that it matters much but maybe KC used a different pressing plant for Europe and US?

[Mladen]

I actually like that album better than its predecessor and successor. Prozakc blues, Into the frying pan, I have a dream and the second part of the title track are amazing.

[me7]

Beware that the DVD of Reconstruction is glitched. Some tracks are sped up by 10%, changing the pitch of the music.
The Reconstruction CD is fine. Only the Reconstruction DVD is broken.

However, in the 150€ boxset several discs are faulty and the label doesn't intend to fix them

Where did you buy the CD/DVD from? Not that it matters much but maybe KC used a different pressing plant for Europe and US?

I ordered on Amazon in Europe, but my copy ist still ubderway. Just repeating what I read on other sites to warn people.

Here is the press release: https://www.dgmlive.com/news/Heaven_and_earth
I don't like how they call the 9% speedup "slightly different". That's a major defect IMO.

[goo-goo]

Seems like it's "isolated" to the boxset

"It has come to our attention that a small amount of the material that was added to the Blu-Ray and DVD-A discs on the Heaven and Earth Boxed Set is playing at a slightly incorrect speed."

I guess the CD/DVDA only versions (the 2-disc set) is ok?

[me7]

I will check my CD/DVDA when it arrives and report back. But I expect it to be sped up as well.

[me7]

Yes, the album "Heaven and Earth" in the DVDA is sped up.

[ytserush]

I think it's awesome there's been all of the discussion about King Crimson.

It is because they're now on Spotify or the 50th anniversary tour or both?

Seeing them in September as I've not caught this lineup yet and it could be the final time I'll have the chance. I expect it to be different than other 6 times I've seen them over the years. They're flat out amazing live.

Great to see people getting into them.

[Fritzinger]

I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.

Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!

[Stadler]

If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1.  I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).   

[Fritzinger]

If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1.  I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).

What's a snub?

[Stadler]

If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1.  I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).

What's a snub?

Being unjustly ignored or rejected.  If you walk up to me and say "Hi Stadler", and put out your hand to shake mine, and I look at you, turn and walk away, I've "snubbed" you.    Rush was "snubbed" for many years by the RnRHoF (at least in the view of their rabid fanbase).

[Fritzinger]

If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1.  I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).

What's a snub?

Being unjustly ignored or rejected.  If you walk up to me and say "Hi Stadler", and put out your hand to shake mine, and I look at you, turn and walk away, I've "snubbed" you.    Rush was "snubbed" for many years by the RnRHoF (at least in the view of their rabid fanbase).

Thanks!

But wasn't Phil Collins introduced with Genesis? Or do you mean he should also be included as a solo artist?

[Stadler]

He was inducted with Genesis - as was Peter Gabriel - but unlike Peter, he has not been inducted as a solo artist.   He is one of only three artists to have sold 100 million records as a member of a group and as a solo performer.   Both others - Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney - are in as both group members and solo artists. 

[ytserush]

I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.

Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!

Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.

[Fritzinger]

I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.

Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!

Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.

Could this really just be because of Spotify (plus they're touring right now)?

I can't wait to finally see this band!
I know that Robert is a very private guy, but do you guys know if there is any chance for a pathetic fanboy (like me) to get an autograph or a picture with him?

[Stadler]

I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.

Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!

Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.

Could this really just be because of Spotify (plus they're touring right now)?

I can't wait to finally see this band!
I know that Robert is a very private guy, but do you guys know if there is any chance for a pathetic fanboy (like me) to get an autograph or a picture with him?

Now that I have shaken hands with Ritchie Blackmore, Robert Fripp is No. 1 by a long shot (though it's a very very short list overall) of musicians I'd like to meet.   I find him to be a fascinating guy; most of his diary entries paint him to be a rather dour, perhaps cold man, maybe even a little bitter, but if you're privy to the exchanges (you can google it) between he and John Wetton as John's illness began to get the better of him, it was both touching and heartbreaking.   The affection that Fripp had for Wetton was pure and clear.    I'm a huge Wetton fan (mostly from Asia, let's be honest, that's where he shined) and reading some of the final exchanges, and seeing the pictures from their last time together (Wetton was, literally, unrecognizable) I went through half a box of tissues.

[ytserush]

I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.

Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!

Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.

Could this really just be because of Spotify (plus they're touring right now)?

I can't wait to finally see this band!
I know that Robert is a very private guy, but do you guys know if there is any chance for a pathetic fanboy (like me) to get an autograph or a picture with him?

Now that I have shaken hands with Ritchie Blackmore, Robert Fripp is No. 1 by a long shot (though it's a very very short list overall) of musicians I'd like to meet.   I find him to be a fascinating guy; most of his diary entries paint him to be a rather dour, perhaps cold man, maybe even a little bitter, but if you're privy to the exchanges (you can google it) between he and John Wetton as John's illness began to get the better of him, it was both touching and heartbreaking.   The affection that Fripp had for Wetton was pure and clear.    I'm a huge Wetton fan (mostly from Asia, let's be honest, that's where he shined) and reading some of the final exchanges, and seeing the pictures from their last time together (Wetton was, literally, unrecognizable) I went through half a box of tissues.

He's seemed to have made subtle mental changes to his disposition of the last 10 years or so but I haven't followed that closely enough to determine at what point that may have happened.

I don't need to shake Fripp's hand but I do need see Crimson in September.

I've broken my somewhat recently adopted rule about traveling more than 90 minutes away for a concert on a weeknight for this.  Might be the last time I see this band.

[goo-goo]

I've seen both 2008 and 2017 incarnations of King Crimson and they are a magical act to witness. The 2017 was very memorable as a I was sitting on Gavin's and Fripp's side of the stage. When Gavin did his solo in the 21st Schizoid Man song, Fripp was smiling! A full smile! That was the highlight of the show for me.

After the initial reunion shows with Adrian (the 2008 band), Fripp kind of went away. His urge to re-start the Beast came from the album Scarcity of Miracles (Jackzyk, Fripp, and Collins, with Levin and Gavin on the rhythm section).

[Phoenix87x]

Any fans of Islands?

It was the last KC album that I got and I haven't listened to it that much.

[Mladen]

That's my least favorite one. Aside from the fabulous title track, it's really a drag.

[KevShmev]

If I never hear Islands again, I will be most pleased. Same goes for In the Wake of Poseidon and Lizard.

[Phoenix87x]

Yeah, that's totally how I feel as well.

Last night I listened to it back to back with Red and what a difference. Red's songs are punchy, strait to the point and memorable. Fallen angel is stuck in my head right now as I am writing this. The songs on islands meander, don't really go anywhere and feel meh. Which is a shame, because when they are on point, I can't get enough KC.

[DTA]

If I never hear Islands again, I will be most pleased. Same goes for In the Wake of Poseidon and Lizard.

Islands is pretty meh after the title track and Sailor's Tale, but In The Wake Of Poseidon is seriously awesome. I'll never understand how that one gets overlooked while the debut gets praised. Lizard is strange.

[NoseofNicko]

An album containing songs of the quality of Pictures of a City and In the Wake of Poseidon (better than Epitaph imo) can't possibly be bad.

[Mladen]

Lets not forget Cadence and cascade. That song is just gorgeous.

Lizard actually used to be my favorite album of theirs for a long time, but I probably got tired of it. The jazzy sound is overwhelming to me nowadays.

[PixelDream]

I actually heard King Crimson for the first time when I got The Construkction of Light from the library. The atonal one-note-at-a-time guitar lines alternating left and right plus the electronic drums put me in a mysterious world while studying. I really liked it, but I soon learned that almost every other KC record was even better.

[Stadler]

I've been in a pretty big Grateful Dead mood lately (I'm a fan of the Godchaux years, primarily) and I was struck over the weeknd that while the music itself is different (and the roots are coming from a different place) there is a LOT of similarity between the Dead and Crimson, both on stage and off. 

[ytserush]

If I never hear Islands again, I will be most pleased. Same goes for In the Wake of Poseidon and Lizard.

Islands is pretty meh after the title track and Sailor's Tale, but In The Wake Of Poseidon is seriously awesome. I'll never understand how that one gets overlooked while the debut gets praised. Lizard is strange.

I pulled In The Wake Of Poseidon off of the shelf last weekend and listened to it a few times. Although that era has never been my favorite I enjoy that period a lot. It's a very introspective album. Whenever I put it on I'm always wondering why I don't listen to it more although ultimately I know what that answer is (Some much music so little time!)

[ytserush]

I've been in a pretty big Grateful Dead mood lately (I'm a fan of the Godchaux years, primarily) and I was struck over the weeknd that while the music itself is different (and the roots are coming from a different place) there is a LOT of similarity between the Dead and Crimson, both on stage and off.

There are similarities for sure.

[Phoenix87x]

I've always really enjoyed Wake of Poseidon. Its got some decent, memorable tracks and its a great companion piece to the debut album. I particularly love the title track on Poseidon, its dark, brooding and beautiful.

Cat food is fun and goofy. And Pictures of a city is pretty solid, a long song that goes to a bunch of different places without losing my attention.