Dream Theater song similarities to other works

[Laich21DT]

The Way it Used to Be has some definite similarities to other songs, IMO. The beginning of the guitar solo sounds kind of like the solo to "You Shook Me" by AC/DC, and after the solo, into the outro it sounds a lot like the part right after the solo in "Owner of a Lonely Heart".

Edit: Apparently, I can't type

[The Fatal Tragedy]

I'll mention a similarity that I don't think anyone else has noticed before.

"Illusion" by Uriah Heep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzkfGW3-QP4 (Specifically starting at 1:02)

"This Is the Life" by Dream Theater

As with the case of "Feed The Macine/BMU, BMD," this is yet another obvious act of plagiarism on ADTOE.

The album should have been called, "A Dramatic Act of Plagiarism."

First off, if you are serious and not joking, you clearly do not understand what plagiarism is.

Second, if you are joking, that is a completely inappropriate joke to make.

Don't start throwing accusations of plargiarism around or you will be shown the door.  That will not be tolerated here.

Whoa! This is a huge goof-up on my part! Extremely sorry! I intended to change the text color of the last two sentences to green (commonly used here on DTF as an indicator of sarcasm) in my initial post.
A terrible proof reading oversight on my part... 

[Lolzeez]

The Way it Used to Be has song definite similarities to other songs, IMO. The beginning of the guitar solo sounds kind of like the solo to "You Shook Me" by AC/DC, and after the solo, into the outro it sounds a lot like the part right after the solo in "Owner of a Lonely Heart".

I don't really understand the AC/DC comparison but fuck the outro sounds like Owner Of A Lonely Heart...

[alexofsweden]

Dunno if anyone posted this...
Peter Gabriel - Across the river...got some Octavarium vibes here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aaPRmO87WJQ

[Tom Bombadil]

I've always thought that the keyboard part at :16 of Solitary Shell has a very And You And I by Yes feel.

[425]

I posted about this in another thread but never said it here:

The intro riff of Peruvian Skies sounds very similar to the intro riff of Metallica's Bleeding Me. Load actually came out only a few months before DT wrote Peruvian Skies (going off the dates provided in the liner notes of the FII Demos).

[adamack]

Holy shit...this thread rocks! You guys are awesome for finding these.

The "As I Am" similarity blew me away. And the Michael Jackson/Endless Sacrifice one was new to me!

I always found this part in "The Great Debate" to sound very similar to a Tool song that I can't remember the name of. Or maybe it just sounds like Tool in general:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z6vpiXQJNA&t=267

From that point onto the "Life to save life" part, I think has a lot of Tool influence. Not saying this is bad...I happen to love that part, and it is inevitable that we will release our influences in our creativity and compositions. Musically speaking, all of what we know comes from what we've heard.

I know there are tons more...trying to think of some I've come across. I think a bulk of them may be other bands who have made songs that sounded like pre-existing DT songs.

[adamack]

I posted about this in another thread but never said it here:

The intro riff of Peruvian Skies sounds very similar to the intro riff of Metallica's Bleeding Me. Load actually came out only a few months before DT wrote Peruvian Skies (going off the dates provided in the liner notes of the FII Demos).

Good call... I knew the PS riff sounded familiar from something else!

[fllnsprrw]

Yeah there are similarities. But I don't see ANY of these as "blatant rip-offs"...Doesn't that by the way carry a negative connotation only someone with an agenda of hatred against DT would use? Like a politician digging dirt on his opponent to turn the tide of the campaign in his favor.

[TheLordOfTheStrings]

After reading a lot of these posts, I'm not sure many of you actually know what true meaning of the word "plagiarism" is... yes there are similarities in style, and overall sound, but plagiarism is a note-for-note copy.

[adamack]

Oh! This one is in the back of my mind ALL the freakin time! Every time I listen to The Answer Lies Within, it reminded me of Final Fantasy 9... There's a recurring theme in it that... Wow, please tell me I'm not the only one who hears the resemblance:

Version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BCDdmpI11U

Version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZOdp9Ma7Zc

Version 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpIdA7KL2Eg

Can't believe I never noticed this!

FF9 is probably tied with III and 7 for my favs in the series btw. Def. one of my favorite games of all time.

PS I gotta send you more riffs for our list...I'm slacking so hard   

[?]

I posted about this in another thread but never said it here:

The intro riff of Peruvian Skies sounds very similar to the intro riff of Metallica's Bleeding Me. Load actually came out only a few months before DT wrote Peruvian Skies (going off the dates provided in the liner notes of the FII Demos).

Metallica used a vocal melody similar to the verses of PS in Cyanide, so I guess they're even now

[425]

OH MY GOD I NEVER NOTICED THAT BEFORE!

"There... There it is"
"Sleep... And dream of this"

That's awesome.

[aprilethereal]

OH MY GOD I NEVER NOTICED THAT BEFORE!

"There... There it is"
"Sleep... And dream of this"

That's awesome.

wat

[425]

? told me about the similarity between the vocal melodies in Peruvian Skies and Cyanide by Metallica. I was very excited because I love both those songs but never noticed the similarity. And then I quoted the lines that share the melody, the former from PS and the latter from Cyanide. And then I noted how awesome it was that they share a melody.


That's "wat".

[Outcrier]

Now, the contrary...
A Change Of Seasons riff (with a little twist at the end) at 3:48: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mStcPu3ia6o

[Lucien]

3:43 of Haken's Pareidolia

5:22 of Dream Theater's Outcry.


It's a bit surprising...

[Lucidity]

Now, the contrary...
A Change Of Seasons riff (with a little twist at the end) at 3:48: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mStcPu3ia6o

Wow, that's almost exactly the same, albeit translated into 4/4.

[BlobVanDam]

I posted about this in another thread but never said it here:

The intro riff of Peruvian Skies sounds very similar to the intro riff of Metallica's Bleeding Me. Load actually came out only a few months before DT wrote Peruvian Skies (going off the dates provided in the liner notes of the FII Demos).

Metallica used a vocal melody similar to the verses of PS in Cyanide, so I guess they're even now

Whoa, I never noticed that one before! (and I'm quite familiar with both albums)
It's only a few coincidental notes though. Maybe I should recheck the rest of DM.

[?]

I haven't even heard Death Magnetic in 3 years, because I don't care that much about Metallica (and especially not that album!) nowadays, but I noticed the similarity right away.

[ZKX-2099]

Gonna reverse things here a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPavhSW4eAQ

That "womp womp" sounds identical to the one in Home.

[BlobVanDam]

Gonna reverse things here a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPavhSW4eAQ

That "womp womp" sounds identical to the one in Home.

It's like Home and Forsaken had a bastard child and left it on Helloween's doorstep and rang the doorbell and ran off before they were spotted.

[Kotowboy]

Wow - what a mediocre song


Live now !!!

[GasparXR]

My roommate showed me the similarily between Live Now and Forsaken, and I was going to post it. XD I didn't think of Home though.

[Outcrier]

Imagine Bjork singing Disappear at 2:05, that part sounds like something she would do.

[Grizz]

It's like Home and Forsaken had a bastard child and left it on Helloween's doorstep and rang the doorbell and ran off before they were spotted.

I wouldn't put it past them... I mean, Home is all about that adultery and lust, and, well, we all know what Forsaken is like...

[FusedInMetal]

Add Superior "Nothing"from the Younique album, 5 years prior to Train of Thought's "Endless Sacrifice".

Also add the entire story from Kenneth Branagh's 1991 film Dead Again which is almost identical to Scenes from a Memory.

Oh, and Mindcage's "Our Own Devices" 2012 .. the entire premise, plot point, story arc and almost the exact press releases, replacing Steampunk with Medieval... and the label's statement that they were interested in the story because they were primarily a film
And comic con business, but reluctantly launched a music label realizing the scale of the creative properties and potential for gaming, graphic novels, scripts, film and brand merch. Now, entirely shelved since DT has expressed the exact same strategy for basically he same story.

Let's drag it all out into the light, since the band feels entitled to pay 'homage' to all these things. Maybe Peter Gabriel doesn't care, maybe Pink Floyd, Metallica even find it insignificant. But when you step on smaller indie bands putting years and all their money into something special.. let's just say you poked the popcicle stick in the wrong polar bear's ass.  The label may have dropped out, but for every band you stepped on... especially the smaller ones who struggle in this difficult business... you are accountable and if the loopholes in archaic copyright law doesn't get you, Karla will

CREARE YOUR OWN SHIT. That's my venting. I was at NAMM where you picked up our CD and there is a hell of a lot more evidence than that, you are caught red-handed and busted.  Think hard before you make another record, where your reverse engineering, blueprints, theme and story borrowing, and "homage" references come into play. There is quite a trail of artist's work you've pillaged behind you already. People aren't as stupid as you suppose, and not very often does someone stand up and call out these things... in the workplace, music, biz, whatever. You've been called out before. It's only getting LOUDER. Your own interviews, your own ex-drummer... they seem to show that you feel entitled to steal. You aren't.

Dietrick /bttp://www.facebook.com/mindcageband

[NoseofNicko]

Burzum - War: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YiHMy6V5Qjc

Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons riff at 1:27

[XJDenton]

Add Superior "Nothing"from the Younique album, 5 years prior to Train of Thought's "Endless Sacrifice".

Also add the entire story from Kenneth Branagh's 1991 film Dead Again which is almost identical to Scenes from a Memory.

Oh, and Mindcage's "Our Own Devices" 2012 .. the entire premise, plot point, story arc and almost the exact press releases, replacing Steampunk with Medieval... and the label's statement that they were interested in the story because they were primarily a film
And comic con business, but reluctantly launched a music label realizing the scale of the creative properties and potential for gaming, graphic novels, scripts, film and brand merch. Now, entirely shelved since DT has expressed the exact same strategy for basically he same story.

Let's drag it all out into the light, since the band feels entitled to pay 'homage' to all these things. Maybe Peter Gabriel doesn't care, maybe Pink Floyd, Metallica even find it insignificant. But when you step on smaller indie bands putting years and all their money into something special.. let's just say you poked the popcicle stick in the wrong polar bear's ass.  The label may have dropped out, but for every band you stepped on... especially the smaller ones who struggle in this difficult business... you are accountable and if the loopholes in archaic copyright law doesn't get you, Karla will

CREARE YOUR OWN SHIT. That's my venting. I was at NAMM where you picked up our CD and there is a hell of a lot more evidence than that, you are caught red-handed and busted.  Think hard before you make another record, where your reverse engineering, blueprints, theme and story borrowing, and "homage" references come into play. There is quite a trail of artist's work you've pillaged behind you already. People aren't as stupid as you suppose, and not very often does someone stand up and call out these things... in the workplace, music, biz, whatever. You've been called out before. It's only getting LOUDER. Your own interviews, your own ex-drummer... they seem to show that you feel entitled to steal. You aren't.

Dietrick /bttp://www.facebook.com/mindcageband

Unless you have anything else to contribute other than self promotion and rather tenuous accusations, you will be considered a spam account and banned. First and only warning. This is a fan site, not a place for you to toot your own horn. Do it on your own sites.

[TheLordOfTheStrings]

Add Superior "Nothing"from the Younique album, 5 years prior to Train of Thought's "Endless Sacrifice".

Also add the entire story from Kenneth Branagh's 1991 film Dead Again which is almost identical to Scenes from a Memory.

Oh, and Mindcage's "Our Own Devices" 2012 .. the entire premise, plot point, story arc and almost the exact press releases, replacing Steampunk with Medieval... and the label's statement that they were interested in the story because they were primarily a film
And comic con business, but reluctantly launched a music label realizing the scale of the creative properties and potential for gaming, graphic novels, scripts, film and brand merch. Now, entirely shelved since DT has expressed the exact same strategy for basically he same story.

Let's drag it all out into the light, since the band feels entitled to pay 'homage' to all these things. Maybe Peter Gabriel doesn't care, maybe Pink Floyd, Metallica even find it insignificant. But when you step on smaller indie bands putting years and all their money into something special.. let's just say you poked the popcicle stick in the wrong polar bear's ass.  The label may have dropped out, but for every band you stepped on... especially the smaller ones who struggle in this difficult business... you are accountable and if the loopholes in archaic copyright law doesn't get you, Karla will

CREARE YOUR OWN SHIT. That's my venting. I was at NAMM where you picked up our CD and there is a hell of a lot more evidence than that, you are caught red-handed and busted.  Think hard before you make another record, where your reverse engineering, blueprints, theme and story borrowing, and "homage" references come into play. There is quite a trail of artist's work you've pillaged behind you already. People aren't as stupid as you suppose, and not very often does someone stand up and call out these things... in the workplace, music, biz, whatever. You've been called out before. It's only getting LOUDER. Your own interviews, your own ex-drummer... they seem to show that you feel entitled to steal. You aren't.

Dietrick /bttp://www.facebook.com/mindcageband

You're pathetic. Fuck you for making an account just to post this bullshit.

[XJDenton]

You're pathetic. Fuck you for making an account just to post this bullshit.

Moderation is our job, and irrespective of the person's posting history, personal attacks are not allowed by anyone against any member. So this ends now, okay?

[TheLordOfTheStrings]

You're pathetic. Fuck you for making an account just to post this bullshit.

Moderation is our job, and irrespective of the person's posting history, personal attacks are not allowed by anyone against any member. So this ends now, okay?

Understood.

[FusedInMetal]

Unless you have anything else to contribute other than self promotion and rather tenuous accusations, you will be considered a spam account and banned. First and only warning. This is a fan site, not a place for you to toot your own horn. Do it on your own sites.

Heard, duly noted and understood. My intent is not to disparage or promote but to contribute to this thread. I'm a long time DT fan and Prog-power aficionado known in most communities online, which is why I signed my rant. I don't mind at all if you feel it should be deleted.  But, I'm disappointed as a DT fan to feel the weight of this thread personally, so I hoped it would illuminate a topic that blind devotion conceals. I, also, looked forward to the new DT with great anticipation. I was just in shock, and apologize to any who I offended.

Having said that, I've made it through Acts I & 2 twice so far, and strictly speaking without bias - I think the themes are grandiose in a Yanni kind of way.. not a fan of the lack of mid and hi end crunch on the guitar, sounds a bit too take .. musicianship is superb, Myung is killer, incredible syncopation and polyrhythmic sections.. top notch, and breathines and overall capturing LaBrie's voice is the finest and most natural on this album since I&W and Awake era.

[bosk1]

you are accountable and if the loopholes in archaic copyright law doesn't get you, Karla will

Well, as they say, Karla's a bitch.

[Setlist Scotty]

I hate Karla!