Author Topic: Dream Theater song similarities to other works (Read 24779 times)

Deep Sixx · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2013, 09:25:46 AM »

Quote from: Bolsters on July 30, 2013, 10:50:52 PM

Yngwie Malmsteen and Strange Deja Vu riff.

Also, my First post on this forum was actually in a similar topic. $:\$

Maybe this thread can be THE song similarity thread? Thanks for those contributions

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on July 31, 2013, 03:09:05 AM

I remember listening to The Wall a few years after I'd first heard it and going "HOLY FUCK RAZOR'S EDGE"
I think you can only chalk up these similarities to deliberate "copying" if DT dudes are documented fans of the band in question. I personally think they're doing it more as an homage and never thought to use the word "plagiarism", as a lot of times they straight up say which bands inspired which parts, but it is true that the way they do it is often a bit too close for comfort.

That's true. Some of there stuff is really close, I just wouldn't put DT on Led Zeppelin's level in terms of plagiarism. Now those guys crossed the line for sure.

Quote from: Joshin U on July 31, 2013, 08:24:58 AM

If you listen closely to "Perfect Strangers" from ACOS, it kinda sounds like a Deep Purple song.

Lucidity · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2013, 09:30:30 AM »

The ending of the Kansas' The Wall doesn't sound like Razor's Edge to me, it sounds to me just like the ending of Losing Time.

The Boomr · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2013, 09:39:54 AM »

Wooooow, the Michael Jackson one Really struck me! The As I Am comparison seems to sound similar when you just click on that other song and listen, but then going and hearing As I Am afterward, it's not really the same pattern or the same key. Maybe the same chord, but it's not so similar, imo

EDIT: Mrr....

Forgot that the guitar riff in As I Am is not the same as the intro bass line. Ok. Now it's more close to exactly the same. Not quite but very close.

BlastParadigm · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2013, 10:05:23 AM »

Just want to point out: plagiarism can happen without us knowing we just did it. I believe that might be the case with these songs (not being a fan boy, just giving my opinion).
To give an example: some years ago, when I was getting into the realm of improvising on guitar, I ended up doing a really cool segment for a solo. Months later I discovered that it sounded exactly like "Still Loving You" by Scorpions.

(This is the segment I'm referring to: https://youtu.be/xqCKvUSik-I?t=5m36s)

There's only 12 musical notes, after all. Similarities will happen no matter what.

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2013, 10:16:02 AM »

Quote from: BlastParadigm on July 31, 2013, 10:05:23 AM

Just want to point out: plagiarism can happen without us knowing we just did it. I believe that might be the case with these songs (not being a fan boy, just giving my opinion).
To give an example: some years ago, when I was getting into the realm of improvising on guitar, I ended up doing a really cool segment for a solo. Months later I discovered that it sounded exactly like "Still Loving You" by Scorpions.

(This is the segment I'm referring to: https://youtu.be/xqCKvUSik-I?t=5m36s)

There's only 12 musical notes, after all. Similarities will happen no matter what.

If you guys haven't seen this already, you should really watch it. Quite interesting stuff on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAcjV60RnRw

bosk1 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2013, 10:50:13 AM »

How about the intro to The Lady Wore Black and the intro to Standing On The Backs Of Angels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWzVjAqJU8

rumborak · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2013, 10:54:42 AM »

Quote from: noxon on July 31, 2013, 02:38:48 AM

UK and Trial of Tears one is really obvious. Similar rhythms and the solo JP plays is very clearly Allan Holdsworth-inspired.

https://youtu.be/AeXSQl56no8?t=3m6s

vs

https://youtu.be/uWaEC86WBuE?t=6m13s

Well, that's what I posted further up

But thaaaaaaaank you. I can not fathom when people say they don't hear it. To me it's in-your-face blatant.

Deep Sixx · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2013, 10:56:20 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on July 31, 2013, 10:50:13 AM

How about the intro to The Lady Wore Black and the intro to Standing On The Backs Of Angels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWzVjAqJU8

Good find! I can definitely hear it

aprilethereal · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2013, 11:10:15 AM »

TCOT intro + solo are pretty much the same as in Scar Symmetry's Ghost Prototype II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5aB9bW5B00

bosk1 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2013, 11:10:49 AM »

Quote from: Deep Sixx on July 31, 2013, 10:56:20 AM

Quote from: bosk1 on July 31, 2013, 10:50:13 AM
How about the intro to The Lady Wore Black and the intro to Standing On The Backs Of Angels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWzVjAqJU8

Good find! I can definitely hear it

I noticed that one right off the bat. It's not nearly as close as some of the other similarities, but it is similar. I remember hearing the song for the first time and saying to myself, "Why is there Lady Wore Black in my Pull Me Under?"

Sycsa · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2013, 11:49:34 AM »

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 31, 2013, 10:16:02 AM

If you guys haven't seen this already, you should really watch it. Quite interesting stuff on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAcjV60RnRw

Oh, I love Vsauce!

The Presence of Frenemies · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2013, 12:18:41 PM »

"The Lady Wore Black" reminds me more of Crimson Glory's "Burning Bridges" more than it reminds me of OTBOA.

dragonmaster715 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2013, 04:10:41 PM »

i bet none of you have noticed this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-nDhxGVH4Y

can anyone guess what 0:10 or so on sounds like?

cyberdrummer · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2013, 04:13:25 PM »

I have noticed that before, it sounds like ITPOE Pt 2. But it's not exactly a rare or complicated pattern.

dragonmaster715 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 31, 2013, 04:18:54 PM »

well its not a complicated pattern but its still similar. it was probably complete coincidence.

Zook · « **Reply #50 on:** July 31, 2013, 05:06:37 PM »

So we can all agree that Dream Theater are extremely talented.

johncal · « **Reply #51 on:** July 31, 2013, 07:11:26 PM »

I'd love to see this thread on a blues forum. Of course if every blues tune had to sound different by law, blues would be extinct.

iamtheeviltwin · « **Reply #52 on:** July 31, 2013, 08:14:43 PM »

Quote from: johncal on July 31, 2013, 07:11:26 PM

I'd love to see this thread on a blues forum. Of course if every blues tune had to sound different by law, blues would be extinct.

or a folk music thread...the whole of Woody Guthrie's catalog would be right out.

Grizz · « **Reply #53 on:** July 31, 2013, 08:38:31 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toMoL8fW-4&t=10s vs Panic Attack

guitarmanchu · « **Reply #54 on:** July 31, 2013, 09:04:38 PM »

Lots of rip-offs from Joe Satriani... incidentally around the time JP was touring with Satch in G3.

The solo from Constant Motion vs Joe Satriani's War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pTwk1UuGJIA&t=250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y4GpGL9EbMI&t=19

The riff from NIghtmare to Remember vs Joe Satriani's New Last Jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ADX9DdURn8o&t=161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YWdWtt43uKY&t=15

Coincidence? I think not not.

BlastParadigm · « **Reply #55 on:** August 01, 2013, 06:39:31 AM »

Quote from: Grizz on July 31, 2013, 08:38:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toMoL8fW-4&t=10s vs Panic Attack

That's the best similarity on this thread, and it will continue to be.

a51502112 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 01, 2013, 07:34:30 AM »

The rhythm guitar in "Just Let Me Breathe", is just like I Mother Earth's "Rain Will Fall".

KevShmev · « **Reply #57 on:** August 01, 2013, 08:22:43 AM »

Wow, I never noticed the similarity between The Fountain of Lamneth and The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun, probably because the latter is not a song I listen to that much (it's one of the two WDADU songs I tend to not listen to much).

Think the beginning of Surrounded when you listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YYPNr_FOi4

Think the keyboard lead before the verses in Solitary Shell when you listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H-rdL2KkvzY&t=379

Lucidity · « **Reply #58 on:** August 01, 2013, 10:52:10 AM »

Quote from: BlastParadigm on August 01, 2013, 06:39:31 AM

Quote from: Grizz on July 31, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toMoL8fW-4&t=10s vs Panic Attack

That's the best similarity on this thread, and it will continue to be.

Well I'll be damned if that's not Panic Attack.

tiagodon · « **Reply #59 on:** August 01, 2013, 11:48:41 AM »

Did DT get any lawsuits for those "similarities"?

bosk1 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 01, 2013, 12:11:10 PM »

No. Why would they?

tiagodon · « **Reply #61 on:** August 01, 2013, 12:29:39 PM »

Well, there are always people looking for an easy way to make money.
In the past 20 years, Metallica, Avril Lavigne, Oasis, Black Eyed Peas, Radiohead... were sued for plagiarism. And I have no ideia what a regular judge who never played music in his life would consider plagiarism...

Lolzeez · « **Reply #62 on:** August 01, 2013, 01:53:04 PM »

Quote from: tiagodon on August 01, 2013, 12:29:39 PM

Well, there are always people looking for an easy way to make money.
In the past 20 years, Metallica, Avril Lavigne, Oasis, Black Eyed Peas, Radiohead... were sued for plagiarism. And I have no ideia what a regular judge who never played music in his life would consider plagiarism...

WHAT? WHY? WTF?

Buddyhunter1 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 01, 2013, 03:36:14 PM »

I always thought that Voices sounded very, very similar to Suite Sister Mary from Operation: Mindcrime.

snapple · « **Reply #64 on:** August 01, 2013, 03:42:01 PM »

Quote from: The Fatal Tragedy on July 30, 2013, 11:02:34 PM

I'll mention a similarity that I don't think anyone else has noticed before.

"Illusion" by Uriah Heep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzkfGW3-QP4 (Specifically starting at 1:02)

"This Is the Life" by Dream Theater

As with the case of "Feed The Macine/BMU, BMD," this is yet another obvious act of plagiarism on ADTOE.

The album should have been called, "A Dramatic Act of Plagiarism."

Jesus Christ.

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #65 on:** August 02, 2013, 01:06:40 AM »

Oh! This one is in the back of my mind ALL the freakin time! Every time I listen to The Answer Lies Within, it reminded me of Final Fantasy 9... There's a recurring theme in it that... Wow, please tell me I'm not the only one who hears the resemblance:

Version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BCDdmpI11U

Version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZOdp9Ma7Zc

Version 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpIdA7KL2Eg

Lucidity · « **Reply #66 on:** August 02, 2013, 01:49:27 PM »

Speaking of Final Fantasy similarities... at 0:51 it sounds like a 3/4 version of the 5/4 instrumental break of Bridges In the Sky, and even has the same key change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95OItFxLm9U

bosk1 · « **Reply #67 on:** August 02, 2013, 01:59:45 PM »

Quote from: The Fatal Tragedy on July 30, 2013, 11:02:34 PM

I'll mention a similarity that I don't think anyone else has noticed before.

"Illusion" by Uriah Heep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzkfGW3-QP4 (Specifically starting at 1:02)

"This Is the Life" by Dream Theater

As with the case of "Feed The Macine/BMU, BMD," this is yet another obvious act of plagiarism on ADTOE.

The album should have been called, "A Dramatic Act of Plagiarism."

First off, if you are serious and not joking, you clearly do not understand what plagiarism is.

Second, if you are joking, that is a completely inappropriate joke to make.

Don't start throwing accusations of plargiarism around or you will be shown the door. That will not be tolerated here.

Rob801 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 02, 2013, 02:07:48 PM »

Quote from: Lucidity on August 01, 2013, 10:52:10 AM

Quote from: BlastParadigm on August 01, 2013, 06:39:31 AM
Quote from: Grizz on July 31, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toMoL8fW-4&t=10s vs Panic Attack

That's the best similarity on this thread, and it will continue to be.

Well I'll be damned if that's not Panic Attack.

Been a while since I've heard Panic Attack but I kept having keyboard lines from ELP's Tarkus pop into my head while listening to that video...

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #69 on:** August 02, 2013, 05:39:53 PM »

Quote from: Lucidity on August 02, 2013, 01:49:27 PM

Speaking of Final Fantasy similarities... at 0:51 it sounds like a 3/4 version of the 5/4 instrumental break of Bridges In the Sky, and even has the same key change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95OItFxLm9U

Yeah, I always noticed that as well.

News: Video of online chat between fans and members of Dream Theater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA&feature=youtu.be (*no chickens were harmed during the filming of this chat)

Author Topic: Dream Theater song similarities to other works (Read 24779 times)