The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[Adami]

Two Kirk solos, good lord.

Yea, that struck me too. Hard. Like a fist. An angry angry fist.

[Kotowboy]

Metallica Play ONE with a Piano Player in Beijing

Interesting. I know they played with him before too.

[mikeyd23]

Metallica Play ONE with a Piano Player in Beijing

Interesting. I know they played with him before too.

Eh, cool idea, but the result wasn't great. It sounded messy.

[Dream Team]

This has probably been mentioned in this thread, but I think Spit Out The Bone would be a perfect soundtrack for the Terminator movies. 

[Azyiu]

...was at the Hong Kong show last night! It was a GREAT show! 

Check out the setlist here, and it is possibly the best setlist yet on this tour... https://metallica.com/tour/26169 

The greedy side of me wished they would replace Confusion with Spit Out The Bone... they also didn't play Harvester Of Sorrow and Whiskey In The Jar, two other of my fav songs... hey, still, it was a GREAT show! 

[Kotowboy]

Some of their Instagram comments are all like :

" I can't believe they didn't play [song]..I didn't even go to the concert and i'm furious !!! "



And people saying their live sound is shit - when all they've heard is a YouTube upload of a cameraphone clip. . . . .

[TAC]

Awesome pics Azyiu!

[TheCountOfNYC]

Some of their Instagram comments are all like :

" I can't believe they didn't play [song]..I didn't even go to the concert and i'm furious !!! "



And people saying their live sound is shit - when all they've heard is a YouTube upload of a cameraphone clip. . . . .

I've seen Metallica four times now (three if you count both performances at the Orion festival in Atlantic City as one show) and they delivered a fantastic show each time. They always play some deep cuts (I've gotten Fight Fire With Fire, Ride the Lightning, Trapped Under Ice, Escape, The Call of Ktulu, Orion, Blackened, ...And Justice For All, The Shortest Straw, Holier Than Thou, Don't Tread on Me, Through the Never, Of Wolf and Man, The God That Failed, My Friend of Misery, The Struggle Within, and To Hell and Back) and the energy level is so high throughout the whole show that whatever mistakes they make (which to be honest there's very few) are unnoticeable. They are still the best live band I've ever seen.

[Progmetty]

Kick ass Azyiu 
Today, my wife declared her favorite song from Hardwired is When a blind Man Cries
For a second I didn't know whether or burst her bubble about it being a cover or not, but I did, she wasn't too surprised since most of her favorite Metallica songs are from Garage Inc.

[Kotowboy]

One of the problems I have with them live is - Kirk always tries to join back with the rhythm on the very next downbeat of his solo ending and he always rushes the end of the solo

to meet up with it and it sounds jumpy.

What he should do is play over the riff for a few beats and THEN join up with it. It's live. there's not going to be a huge drop in sound if he's not playing rhythm for a bar.

[Kotowboy]

Confusion Live Debut Official Video

Not bad. I'm not sure about Rob dropping out in the riff and it sounds just a hair too slow - but still better than rushing it.

One of the advantages of them growing older is that they don't speed up like 10BPM live and Lars is more relaxed.

[MirrorMask]

About speeding up... I get the whole adrenaline thing, and probably at my own concerts I don't even realize how much the songs are faster, but there's a fine line between "playing a song a bit faster" and "turning it into a total mess".

Adrian Smith in Maiden was very dissatisfied about playing songs live too fast, and damn he was right, once in a while I hear from my bands live songs on YouTube and I go "geez, just slow it down".

[Kotowboy]

Lars noticeably counts songs in a few BPM slower these days plus he doesn't rush like he used to. He's pretty solid these days. Almost back to how he was in the late 90s.

It's good to hear as he was getting pretty bad for a while there. He's doing something right. He's ben steadily improving over a number of years now.

[mikeyd23]

Confusion Live Debut Official Video

Not bad. I'm not sure about Rob dropping out in the riff and it sounds just a hair too slow - but still better than rushing it.

One of the advantages of them growing older is that they don't speed up like 10BPM live and Lars is more relaxed.

Sounded pretty good, the performance at least, the sound of these LiveMet videos lately has been pretty eh. If they are recording channel by channel and remixing the audio for these, someone needs fired, it should sound MUCH better. Heck, some good quality crowd recordings sound better than this.

[Kotowboy]

They probably do them quickly. I have no complaints since they're FREE. If they were charging for these i'd expect better quality. But it depends how they sound on

the actual downloads that they sell of the gig. But you can sample those before you buy anyway.

I might get the first gig of the tour and a couple of other songs If they are available seperately.

www.livemetallica.com  < - - - - -

[mikeyd23]

Oh yeah I get that they are free, all I'm saying is that dumping those channel signals from that Midas board Big Mick uses live (which costs 10s of thousands) into any DAW, you should be getting much better results.

[Kotowboy]

https://metallica.com/videos/32262/whiplash-metontour-shanghai-china-2017

WHIPLASH !

[Luoto]

Lars noticeably counts songs in a few BPM slower these days plus he doesn't rush like he used to. He's pretty solid these days. Almost back to how he was in the late 90s.

It's good to hear as he was getting pretty bad for a while there. He's doing something right. He's ben steadily improving over a number of years now.

While Lars is a bit better overall these days, his somewhat natural lack of ability to keep steady tempo becomes glaringly obvious in a groovy song like Confusion. I was actually looking forward to hearing a live performance of that song the most, but that just doesn't cut it. Also confirms their guitars sound too thin live; Rob didn't actually skip anything.

[Kotowboy]

Rob definitely drops out. The camera cuts to him and he stops playing on that hammer on part of the riff.


Also - as everyone on the Metallica forum says - being at a Metallica show is something else - their live vids just do not come anywhere close to how huge everything sounds in person.

[mikeyd23]

While Lars is a bit better overall these days, his somewhat natural lack of ability to keep steady tempo becomes glaringly obvious in a groovy song like Confusion. I was actually looking forward to hearing a live performance of that song the most, but that just doesn't cut it. Also confirms their guitars sound too thin live; Rob didn't actually skip anything.

Honestly, I wouldn't judge their guitar tone off these videos, like I posted above, the quality isn't good. In person, those guitars sound VERY different.

Rob definitely drops out. The camera cuts to him and he stops playing on that hammer on part of the riff.

Yeah that was weird, I wonder why he doesn't play through that, can't really tell on the album what he does since the mix is so different.

[Kotowboy]

I doubt it but MAYBE everyone playing that semitone hammer on just sounds too muddy ?

[Luoto]

Yeah that was weird, I wonder why he doesn't play through that, can't really tell on the album what he does since the mix is so different.

I really think he doesn't do anything behind those notes, the bass track is discernible enough in the mix. It would be strange if he dropped out anything at all, he has some serious chops.

[Kotowboy]

Just gonna stick the CD version on and see if he plays there.



... He doesn't.


EDIT : Another interesting thing Rob does is he only plays the Low E in the Hardwired verse. He doesn't even do the descending chromatic part or the turnaround. He just stays on E.

[mikeyd23]

Just gonna stick the CD version on and see if he plays there.

... He doesn't.

Huh, okay. Must just be the difference in the mix that makes it noticeable in the live video. The mix on the CD is much more guitar heavy with all the layers, so if the bass drops out those notes, it's not as noticeable.

[emtee]

IMO they knocked it WAY out of the park with this one. I've never been a huge follower of Metallica but this album is totally kicking
my ass. Absolutely LOVE it!

[Kotowboy]

IMO they knocked it WAY out of the park with this one. I've never been a huge follower of Metallica but this album is totally kicking
my ass. Absolutely LOVE it!

Yep. It's a fantastic album. It's what I wanted Death Magnetic to be.

Plus it pretty much ticked all of my "wants" boxes :

√ Garage Inc Disc 1 Sonics
√ Vocal Harmonies
√ Improved Solos
√ Slower / Reload type songs ( Dream no More, Am I Savage )

There was something else but I can't remember now.

I love how the whole album sounds - it has a dreamy kind of feel to it. Plus at 13 songs and 84 minutes - there's almost no padding. Which is amazing. Considering they only wrote it for a year.



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In Other News.

They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.

They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.

[Azyiu]

In Other News.

They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.

They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.

What a shame and it sucks for everybody... 

[Kotowboy]

Next show is tomorrow evening. James should rest up and drink a lot of water and tea

[Mladen]

In Other News.

They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.

They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.

For a moment, I forgot I was in the Metallica thread. I though we were talking about James LaBrie and was like "holy shit, already?" 

[Kotowboy]

According to reports - the whole band got sick from visiting China.

If it was Axl Rose - he'd have cancelled the entire tour

[Azyiu]

According to reports - the whole band got sick from visiting China.

If it was Axl Rose - he'd have cancelled the entire tour

I doubt that... they looked and played awesome at the Hong Kong show, which was a couple nights AFTER they played in commie China.

As for Axl Rose... well, I doubt that too... he is so short on cash these days, he wouldn't dare to even show up late! 

[fadetoblackdude7]

Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!

Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.

[Kotowboy]

Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!

Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.

It's my third fave after Master and Metallica. I was never a huge AJFA fan.

[fadetoblackdude7]

Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!

Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.

It's my third fave after Master and Metallica. I was never a huge AJFA fan.

It's hard to listen to (obviously), but it is a classic. Ride, Master and Metallica are permanently locked in the top spots for me

[Kotowboy]

Ride would be my #3 is not for Escape & Trapped Under Ice as I have mentioned before...

St. Anger & Kill would be dead last.