The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[Ben_Jamin]

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

[Kotowboy]

Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.

Imagine.

The nerve of it.

Discussing Metallica in a Metallica thread.

What A Cunt I Am.

I mean You Are.

[Zydar]

Discussing Metallica in a Metallica thread? Shit outta luck.

[dparrott]

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

[KevShmev]

Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.

 

[Tomislav95]

Train of Naught - Am I Cunt?

[Kotowboy]

Train of Naught - Am I Cunt?

Yes He Am.

[Zook]

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Did Jason suggest a lengthy break?

[mikeyd23]

Anywho.... finally listened to the 3rd CD of bonus material.

Lords of Summer sounds MUCH better properly recorded, but still wasn't near the level of the other songs, IMO, basically due to the lyrics. The cover songs are great, Metallica has always been great at covers. And the live set from record store day or whatever sounds really good too!

That whole disc worth of material plus the other 2 discs, all for $9.99 on Amazon?! Good stuff!

[Kotowboy]

Anywho.... finally listened to the 3rd CD of bonus material.

Lords of Summer sounds MUCH better properly recorded, but still wasn't near the level of the other songs, IMO, basically due to the lyrics. The cover songs are great, Metallica has always been great at covers. And the live set from record store day or whatever sounds really good too!

That whole disc worth of material plus the other 2 discs, all for $9.99 on Amazon?! Good stuff!

I managed to pre order the 3CD version before the price went up

[MirrorMask]

Throwback to "darker" days... the renewed interest in Metallica brought by the new album brought me the curiosity to check if St. Anger was really THAT horrible of an album.

Back in 2003 when it came out, I heard it ONCE and I basically recoiled in horror at what I heard. I literally never, ever listened to the album more than ONCE. I remember there was a slightly abridged and re-recorded fan version, you probably know what I'm talking about, this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-UI3_6HcM

So I tried to listen to it.

Well... yeah, the album was actually bad. It gives no ear-ache to hear it in this version, Frantic is listenable and St. Anger and The Unnamed Feeling are actually pretty nice songs. The rest, all of this IMO of course, is indeed very forgettable.

So I guess that St. Anger, the original album, will probably be the album I will have actually listened only once 

[Adami]

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Which band is that?

[dparrott]

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Which band is that?

Sounds like the MP situation, or am I wrong?

[Kotowboy]

If Lars ever left - Metallica would be over - but if they did decide to carry on i can bet 100% Mike Portnoy would be all over that.

[Adami]

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Which band is that?

Sounds like the MP situation, or am I wrong?

You would be wrong.

[Kotowboy]

Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.

Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying

" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "

[fadetoblackdude7]

Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.

Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying

" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "

Jump the gun much Mike?

[Mosh]

How did this turn into another MP bashing thread? 

[Kotowboy]

How did this turn into another MP bashing thread? 

Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

[TheCountOfNYC]

How did this turn into another MP bashing thread? 

Welcome to Dream Theater Forums.

[fadetoblackdude7]

I think I can finally post my song rankings for HTSD:

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Halo On Fire
3. Now That We're Dead
4. Dream No More
5. Atlas, Rise!
6. Moth Into Flame
7. Am I Savage?
8. Here Comes Revenge
9. Confusion
10. Hardwired
11. Murder One
12. ManUNkind

[Kotowboy]

I think I can finally post my song rankings for HTSD:

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Halo On Fire
3. Now That We're Dead
4. Dream No More
5. Atlas, Rise!
6. Moth Into Flame
7. Am I Savage?
8. Here Comes Revenge
9. Confusion
10. Hardwired
11. Murder One
12. ManUNkind

It's too soon for me and I like all songs pretty much equally. I just know that I like Dream No More the most and Murder One is my least fave if I had to pick one.

i'd have to do Groups.

- Gold Tier - ( In No Order )

1. Dream No More
2. Moth Into Flame
3. Spit Out The Bone
4. Halo On Fire

- Silver Tier -

1. Atlas, Rise!
2. Confusion
3. ManUNkind
4. Now That We're Dead

- Bronze Tier -

1. Hardwired
2. Here Comes Revenge
3. Murder One
4. Am I Savage?
5. Lords Of Summer ( If it was on the album proper - but it's a huge improvement on the demo ).

[MirrorMask]

My groups would be:

- VERY BEST ONES:
Halo On Fire (1st)
Spit Out the Bone (close 2nd)

- SONGS I ENJOY A LOT, not in a specific order:
Hardwired
Moth into Flame
Atlas Rise
Here Comes Revenge
Now that We're Dead

- SONGS I STILL ENJOY A LOT but maybe a tiny bit less than the previous ones:
Dream No More
Murder One
Am I Savage

- SONGS I ENJOY THE LEAST
Confusion
ManUnkind

[Kotowboy]

I'm surprised Confusion isn't liked more as that main riff is right off And Justice For All to my ears.

[Adami]

I'm surprised Confusion isn't liked more as that main riff is right off And Justice For All to my ears.

It's got some great moments, just doesn't work for me as a whole song.

[IDontNotDoThings]

#1. Halo On Fire (I referred to this as a ballad a while ago, mainly because it has a similar style of sounding epic to TDTNC or FTB, & the song pulls this off incredibly well, maybe even surpassing the former!) 
#2. Spit Out The Bone (it's hard to make a 200+bpm song extremely interesting, natural-sounding, well-flowing & epic at the same time, especially from a 30+year old band, but look at what we've got here)
#3. Atlas, Rise! (this song just works on every level, love this riffs, love the groove, love the chorus, it's a very consistent song that just gets you pumped up)
#4. ManUNkind (didn't expect to like this one as much as I did, but I love the flow of this track from beginning to end, especially the midsection)
xx: Lords Of Summer (loved the demo, love the song)
#5. Now That We're Dead (it's got a really nice groove to it)
#6. Moth Into Flame (very replayable & easy to just play & enjoy it)
#7. Confusion (I'm not often in the mood to listen to this one, but when I am it's amazing)
#8. Hardwired (hard to rank since it's quite different from the other tracks, so this probably isn't accurate)
#9. Here Comes Revenge (I like it, but never really have the urge to listen to it again)
10. Dream No More (pretty good, but not great)
11. Am I Savage? (haven't listened to it enough to grow on me)
12. Murder One (actually just a bad song)

[Kotowboy]

Halo on Fire is definitely better than The Day That Never Comes.


The latter suffers from "An idea from every member per song " syndrome.

[mikeyd23]

Alright I'll give it a shot:

Songs I love (in no particular order):
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Dream No More
Halo on Fire
Am I Savage?
Spit Out the Bone

Songs I like (in no particular order):
Atlas, Rise!
Confusion
Here Comes Revenge
Hardwired

Songs that are "eh" for me ( in no particular order):
ManUNkind
Murder One

[devieira73]

To me, the album would be almost perfect if it was a single CD, with this order of songs:

CD1, like it is, more:
7) Confusion
8) ManUNkind
9) Lords of Summer (C'mon, it's one of the best songs on the album! )
10) Here Comes Revenge
11) Am I Savage (the instrumental/solo part makes this song very good!)
12) Spit Out the Bone

Murder One (unfortunately, since it's a tribute to Lemmy) isn't at the same level of the others. It would be an interesting B-side though.

[devieira73]

double post

[Stadler]

Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.

Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying

" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "

I think it's a slight exaggeration to say he quit DT specifically TO JOIN A7X.   As I understand it, playing with A7X kind of gave him a glimpse of how the other half lived, and he decided was going to do it anyway in some form or another, and thought it would be a smooth transition.    There are later quotes from the band that are defensive, but I think that it's more a response to Blabbermouth and that shit than dissing Mike.

[Kotowboy]

That's why I said Mike would never own up to it.

I specifically recall an interview with AX7 some time after the fact about it and they said that's exactly what he did.

[TAC]

That's why I said Mike would never own up to it.

I specifically recall an interview with AX7 some time after the fact about it and they said that's exactly what he did.

I hope that is not true, as that goes against all I believe.

[cramx3]

I don't recall anyone from DT or MP saying that's what happened, but I always felt in the back of my mind that MP thought the grass was greener on the A7X side being that they are a much bigger band and MP played a smaller role meaning he didn't need to work as hard to make more money in A7X.

[mikeyd23]

I don't recall anyone from DT or MP saying that's what happened, but I always felt in the back of my mind that MP thought the grass was greener on the A7X side being that they are a much bigger band and MP played a smaller role meaning he didn't need to work as hard to make more money in A7X.

Not to derail this thread more, but, I remember an interview with A7X sometime after all this where they basically said MP came to them and said something along the lines of "I left DT so now I can be with you guys full-time" and there reaction was basically, "uh, you should have talked to us first"...