The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[Kotowboy]

Reading some of my posts in this thread.

I was really tired of the band 3 years ago


Really excited about the new album now though.

[dparrott]

https://metallica.com/videos/31510/hardwired-live-on-the-howard-stern-show

"We wrote this in like a week"....well that explains a lot! 

[Kotowboy]

It really doesn't.

You're implying that the longer you spend on a song - the better it is.

[Kotowboy]

So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

[kaos2900]

So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

So does he just do the solos?

[Adami]

So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

Since? Pretty sure he wrote a decent amount of riffs on the Loads, St. Anger and DM.

[Kotowboy]

I think he just does solos on Hardwired. Which is all he did up until Load, Reload & St. Anger anyway.

On Death Magnetic - James went back to recording all rhythms again.

Which also means he didn't play a note on the studio version of Nothing Else Matters.

I know he wrote riffs as well but it looks like none of his ideas were used this time...

[Adami]

Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Moth Into Flame is fucking awesome.

I haven't been so excited for something Metallica-related in several years. I'm ready for this album.

It's funny to think that the band that wrote this also wrote Lols of Summer.

[mikeyd23]

Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.

Well on DM, they took a more collaborative approach to the writing, so based on that, he probably wanted to bring ideas to the table.

[Kotowboy]

Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.

I think this is BS. Why would you only keep them on your iPhone and nowhere else ? How would Kirk not have some kind of portastudio or home studio to make his own demoes ? ***

Maybe he decided early on that he wasn't going to write anything for the album and they came up with the phone story as a cover ?

And how many voice notes can an iPhone hold anyway ? They'd be awful quality too..

Something doesn't add up...





*** - In fact they record very single jam they do on tour and Kirk didn't play ONE of his own riffs in that time ? Yeah Right.

[Adami]

Seems like a silly thing to lie about, since he doesn't have to say anything at all. No one is sitting around clamoring for Kirk to write riffs.

So I think he was being honest, even if he handles his ideas differently than you or others would.

[Stadler]

Hundreds of riffs?  For this one album? 

The Riffmaster General, Tony Iommi, has barely written "hundreds of riffs" in his entire career.

[Peace and Love]

So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

Are you for real??   

Kirk has numerous writing credits on some of Metallica's greatest songs. He contributed riffs to Trapped Under Ice, Master of Puppets, Damage Inc (the fucking incredible middle section one), Hero of the Day... and that's just to name a handful out of dozens of songs.

[Adami]

Hundreds of riffs?  For this one album? 

The Riffmaster General, Tony Iommi, has barely written "hundreds of riffs" in his entire career.

He said 250 musical ideas. I'm sure at least 250 of them are chugging on E and old school thrash ideas that are usually chugging on E as well. But yea.

[Kotowboy]

So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

Are you for real??   

Kirk has numerous writing credits on some of Metallica's greatest songs. He contributed riffs to Trapped Under Ice, Master of Puppets, Damage Inc (the fucking incredible middle section one), Hero of the Day... and that's just to name a handful out of dozens of songs.

I meant that since Sandman - has he come up with anything AS iconic ? I know he did that one riff in My Apocalypse that James really liked. .

[Adami]

As iconic as Sandman? No.

Neither has Hetfield.

[Scorpion]

Okay, but nothing since Sandman has been as iconic, so that's kind of an unfair comparison.

[Kotowboy]

So Metallica consider Hardwired to be their 11th studio album - counting Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album I guess.

It's still their 10th album of original material though...

[MirrorMask]

I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...

I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!

Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.

Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.

By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.

I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.

And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.

To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.

So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.

[TAC]

Great Post, Mask!

[cramx3]

Great Post, Mask!

Yea, I feel a lot of what Mask wrote as a kid in the 90s listening to Metallica as my first metal band. 

[Cyclopssss]

I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...

I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!

Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.

Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.

By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.

I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.

And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.

To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.

So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.

It's because they need to go into 'therapy' during each writing session... 

[kaos2900]

I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...

I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!

Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.

Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.

By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.

I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.

And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.

To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.

So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.

Agreed. Great post and it really sums up my feelings well.

[Lax]

I have been a fan from youth to S&M, that was a huge blast to me.
Discovering DT just wiped Metallica out, especially considering albums released like st anger.
I didn't like DM.

Today, I like what I'm hearing, but I have no hype, maybe I'll get surprised listening to the album.
It's too microwaved for me, once you had the fresh taste

[Mladen]

I know people are trying to forget this album ever existed, but I'm listening to Lulu in its entirety for the first time in years.

It still fascinates me. Any appreciation at all?

[fadetoblackdude7]

I know people are trying to forget this album ever existed, but I'm listening to Lulu in its entirety for the first time in years.

It still fascinates me. Any appreciation at all?

Nope

[Kotowboy]

I appreciate it.

I'm not adverse to weirdness.

Besides - if you listen to it as a Lou Reed album which just happens to have Metallica playing on it - then it's ok.

It's not the fucking Yoko Ono Band levels of terrible or even Metal Machine Music.

I think the main reason people hate it so much is because they acted like it was the actual 10th Metallica album and Lou Reed was the new lead singer.

Those of us who already knew what Lou Reed sounded like were like "....um yeah it's a lou reed album what did you expect ? "

There are some downright awesome moments on it - The View actually gave me goosebumps when I first heard it. The Dragon and Frustration riffs are KILLER.

If Lulu was *JUST* a Lou Reed album and didn't feature Metallica at all then it would just be released and nobody would ever mention it.

Apparently actual Lou reed fans really like it.

But because Metallica were the backing band - it exposed Lou Reed and his "voice" to Metallica fans who were like " LOL GRAMPTALLICA "




I saw one reaction video which went as far to say " james vocals are also shit and the guitar sound is fucking awful and the drums sound shit too "

Which is really not true. The production on Lulu is massive. All the instruments sound great.

[Mladen]

Those are some very good points. The thing is, I was initially thrown off by everything about it, but after a little while I started to get fascinated by Lou Reed's storytelling devices. I wasn't too familiar with his work at the time so I made a special note of it. Just last year I became a massive The Velvet Underground fan, and over the last several months got crazily into albums like Berlin and Transformer. It helped me appreciate Lulu even more.

[Kotowboy]

Yes it is just Lou reed talking over Metallica jamming.

But Lou has never been a singer.

I think - if you're going to criticise it - you should criticise it as a Lou Reed album. Not as a Metallica album which has Lou on lead vocals.

If Lulu was the 10th Metallica studio album - the actual follow up to Death Magnetic - and Lou Reed had joined metallica permanently as lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist...

Then the hatred would be warranted.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.

A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.

[Mosh]

I still think that's why they did the collaboration to begin with. They both have some of the most opinionated passionate fans in the world, they probably wanted to piss off both fanbases.

[Kotowboy]

I can see Lars totally wanting to do it as he's kind of a bohemian and a jazz fan and art fan.

[NoseofNicko]

Lulu has a couple of good songs. Just don't remember which ones. The weird creepy experimental ones. Those actually work with Lou Reed's vocals. I think any experimental music fan could appreciate those songs. Or maybe it's just one song, I don't remember.

[Adami]

Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.

A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.

That's a super judgmental perspective. I like weird music just fine. I just didn't like Lulu. It's possible to just not dig something without it being due to ignorance or stubbornness or anything like that.