Author Topic: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded (Read 383423 times)

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1610 on:** December 12, 2015, 04:16:43 PM »

Quote from: chaossystem on December 12, 2015, 03:23:20 PM

Bonus Track: Through the Never version of Orion

Great version. Supposedly "live" but quite clearly recorded in a studio.

I'd love to hear a completely re -recorded Master Of Puppets album. Just do it whenever. Record each song 10 times and pick the best version.

Next year is MOP's 30th anniversary. They should do a MOP live at HQ DVD except that it's the best takes of each song.

chaossystem · « **Reply #1611 on:** December 12, 2015, 04:34:20 PM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:17:20 PM

If I had to make one album out of Load , Reload and the 3 new songs we got between Reload and Saint Anger :

1. Ain't My Bitch
2. 2x4
3. Devil's Dance
4. Hero Of The Day
5. Carpe Diem Baby
6. Bleeding Me
7. Wasting My Hate
8. Where The Wild Things Are
9. Mama Said
10. No Leaf Clover
11. Fixxxer
12. The Outlaw Torn

Something like that.

The ballady songs from those albums are amongst the best of the bands' career.

Mine would be:

1) Ain't My Bitch
2) Until it Sleeps
3) King Nothing
4) Hero of the Day
5) Bleeding Me
6) Fuel
7) The Memory Remains
8) The Unforgiven 2
9) Bad Seed
10) No Leaf Clover
11) I disappear

This would be almost an hour of music

if allowed to go about 70 min., I would also include
Carpe Diem Baby
and
Where the Wild Things Are

Big Hath · « **Reply #1612 on:** December 12, 2015, 09:05:13 PM »

Quote from: bl5150 on December 12, 2015, 02:53:35 PM

What if a genie granted me one wish in 1985 and I decided to disappear all current and future wah pedals.

if a Kirk Hammett plays a solo without a wah pedal, does it make a sound?

jammindude · « **Reply #1613 on:** December 16, 2015, 11:48:24 PM »

kaos2900 · « **Reply #1614 on:** December 17, 2015, 06:24:26 AM »

That's pretty funny. While listening to St. Anger I browsed some reviews on Amazon and one of them simply said "St. Anger is the Jar Jar Binks of metal albums."

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #1615 on:** December 17, 2015, 08:13:31 AM »

St. Anger is great.

Quit whining.

kaos2900 · « **Reply #1616 on:** December 17, 2015, 12:58:14 PM »

St, Anger actually wasn't as bad as I remember it being. Most of the songs are cool but overly long. Like I told my friend, it's not a terrible album, it's a terrible Metallica album.

black_biff_stadler · « **Reply #1617 on:** December 17, 2015, 07:52:05 PM »

There is literally nothing good about St. Anger. It's a bunch of shitty diluted nu metal riffs in drop C for the sake of being in drop C cuz bands like Godsmack, System of a Down, and Mudvayne, as well as an army of other bands that were either nu metal or lumped in with that scene, were using that tuning a lot in the early 2000s. The no solos thing was a clear sign of them ("them" not including Kirk since he was against it) feeling old and trying to distance themselves from 80s shred. The majority of the album sounds like a neophyte redneck's take on metal much like what you can hear in any American truck commercial over the last 10 years. It took forever to come out and should've been way better than it was. I have no problem with it taking as long as it did if I take into consideration all of the issues they were dealing with during that era but if it did have to take that long they could've delivered a far superior product.

jammindude · « **Reply #1618 on:** December 17, 2015, 08:15:33 PM »

I really like St. Anger actually. More than the Black Album.

Not kidding. I'm just one of those guys that liked Metallica when KEA and RtL were the only albums there were. Imagine being a fanboy of just those two albums, and nothing else existed yet. Nothing to compare them to.

I honestly despised TBA when I first heard it. I believe the first words out of my mouth were, "WTF is this? I can *DANCE* to this!! You're not supposed to be able to *DANCE* to Metallica!!" As I grew older, I can to appreciate that about half of the album is pretty cool, but still waaaay too polished for me. I love Sad But True, Of Wolf and Man, Wherever I May Roam.... actually that's about it.

TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #1619 on:** December 18, 2015, 07:59:51 AM »

Quote from: jammindude on December 17, 2015, 08:15:33 PM

TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.

St. Anger is very, very far from snarling, rabid, or angry. This is independent of the subjective side (liking, disliking, whether they were attempting nu-metal tropes, etc.) - truly objectively, there is no heart in the playing and arranging on that record whatsoever. Everything repeats 4 or 8 times because... because? There's no reason. The songs don't follow the intuition that makes a song like "No Leaf Clover" - to give a nearby example in the Metallica timeline - flow and justify any repetition. Every SA song is so bloated, such a clearly heartless attempt at being what people expect once the "hard blues" experiment was over so they could market a 'return to form'... I'll take the complete failures on TBA ("The Struggle Within," "Don't Tread on Me") over any song on St. Anger anyday because at least they gave their all. I can still hear passion despite the clear attempt at radio playability. Everyone was so distracted from the drama shown in Some Kind of Monster that the music suffered tremendously.

And the DVD versions are pretty laughable every time Kirk sings.

TheCountOfNYC · « **Reply #1620 on:** December 20, 2015, 09:59:01 PM »

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on December 18, 2015, 07:59:51 AM

Quote from: jammindude on December 17, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.

St. Anger is very, very far from snarling, rabid, or angry. This is independent of the subjective side (liking, disliking, whether they were attempting nu-metal tropes, etc.) - truly objectively, there is no heart in the playing and arranging on that record whatsoever. Everything repeats 4 or 8 times because... because? There's no reason. The songs don't follow the intuition that makes a song like "No Leaf Clover" - to give a nearby example in the Metallica timeline - flow and justify any repetition. Every SA song is so bloated, such a clearly heartless attempt at being what people expect once the "hard blues" experiment was over so they could market a 'return to form'... I'll take the complete failures on TBA ("The Struggle Within," "Don't Tread on Me") over any song on St. Anger anyday because at least they gave their all. I can still hear passion despite the clear attempt at radio playability. Everyone was so distracted from the drama shown in Some Kind of Monster that the music suffered tremendously.

And the DVD versions are pretty laughable every time Kirk sings.

I don't hate St. Anger, but I essentially agree with you. To me, Metallica's true return to metal glory came five years later with Death Magnetic despite the bad production (and the production on St. Anger wasn't much better tbh).

Metro · « **Reply #1621 on:** December 23, 2015, 01:21:26 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INQt110Q0nI

Happy Holidayz from Metallica
Featuring a sample of a new song

MajorBoobage · « **Reply #1622 on:** December 23, 2015, 01:42:49 PM »

Registered to see this, sounds pretty good to my ears

Zydar · « **Reply #1623 on:** December 23, 2015, 01:48:30 PM »

Nice!

Podaar · « **Reply #1624 on:** December 23, 2015, 01:50:28 PM »

Cool.

James is aging well.

Zook · « **Reply #1625 on:** December 23, 2015, 02:11:05 PM »

Moor · « **Reply #1626 on:** February 17, 2016, 11:51:07 PM »

Great news !!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-to-reissue-kill-em-all-and-ride-the-lightning-albums-in-april/

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1627 on:** February 18, 2016, 12:32:38 AM »

I can't wait to hear how these turn out. All of the thrash era albums could hugely benefit from a proper remaster, as long as they don't screw it up and crank it too loud. I'm still clinging on to my empty baseless hope that AJFA will get a remix out of this series too.

Bolsters · « **Reply #1628 on:** February 18, 2016, 12:34:30 AM »

Hopefully they turn up on Spotify, or some other stream somewhere, because I'm not buying these outright. I don't have high hopes.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1629 on:** February 18, 2016, 12:44:33 AM »

My expectations are low too, but I'll give them a chance to prove me wrong. They'll probably hold off on streaming services for at least a bit so people buy it.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1630 on:** February 18, 2016, 04:25:38 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 12:32:38 AM

I can't wait to hear how these turn out. All of the thrash era albums could hugely benefit from a proper remaster, as long as they don't screw it up and crank it too loud. I'm still clinging on to my empty baseless hope that AJFA will get a remix out of this series too.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1631 on:** February 18, 2016, 04:33:52 AM »

I wish I could say that was intentional.

wolfking · « **Reply #1632 on:** February 18, 2016, 05:14:02 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 12:44:33 AM

My expectations are low too, but I'll give them a chance to prove me wrong. They'll probably hold off on streaming services for at least a bit so people buy it.

If there is a noticeable improvement, I'd probably spend money on them.

Moor · « **Reply #1633 on:** February 18, 2016, 05:15:02 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 04:33:52 AM

I wish I could say that was intentional.

My god! how did this happen?! It is maybe the only "bassless" album in music history

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #1634 on:** February 18, 2016, 06:49:57 AM »

I bet they'll devote a whole separate disc to AJFA with bass. And another 8 discs for live stuff.

Hoping these come out on HDtracks in this campaign.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #1635 on:** February 18, 2016, 07:03:45 AM »

Cool idea, I'll be curious to see how this turns out as well. Definitely not an automatic buy for me, but if done right, I'd probably pick up the RTL one. I'm not a big KEA fan.

LCArenas · « **Reply #1636 on:** February 22, 2016, 04:45:06 PM »

Man, Het doesn't even get angry when Lars fucks up anymore

Zydar · « **Reply #1637 on:** March 04, 2016, 07:56:03 AM »

I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1638 on:** March 04, 2016, 08:14:10 AM »

Quote from: LCArenas on February 22, 2016, 04:45:06 PM

Man, Het doesn't even get angry when Lars fucks up anymore

I feel so sorry for Hetfield. Lars is a sub par drummer who has zero understanding of timing. The drummer is supposed to be the foundation to hold it together, not the guy you work around.

Quote from: Zydar on March 04, 2016, 07:56:03 AM

I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.

Damn.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1639 on:** March 04, 2016, 08:57:32 AM »

I read that they tuned the guitars slightly flat on MOP - then played the master tapes back slightly faster to get it back to A440.

Now what would be the point in that ?

To get the guitars to sound thicker but still in A440 ?

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1640 on:** March 04, 2016, 09:02:34 AM »

It would make the songs faster than recorded, and sound tighter than playing it at that tempo in the first place. So it would be tighter and faster, but easier to play than playing at the faster tempo. It would also be slightly easier on the vocals, and possibly make the production sound a little snappier.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #1641 on:** March 04, 2016, 09:38:35 AM »

MoP is such a great record.

Adami · « **Reply #1642 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:10:59 AM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on March 04, 2016, 08:57:32 AM

I read that they tuned the guitars slightly flat on MOP - then played the master tapes back slightly faster to get it back to A440.

Now what would be the point in that ?

To get the guitars to sound thicker but still in A440 ?

And where did you read this? Anything verifiable?

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1643 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:22:38 AM »

The most recent Lars interview in Rolling Stone.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1644 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:26:45 AM »

" "My favorite song is 'Master of Puppets,'" Burton said in a 1986 interview.

"That one took some time," Rasmussen recalls. "There are a lot of different parts and melodies, but it's a primo song." To tighten up the sound, the producer remembers asking the band to tune their instruments slightly lower than usual so they could mix with the tapes running faster so it sounded like it would be in tune. "We banged it out a couple of times and decided on the one with the best feeling, because they'd have to play it live."

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-30-years-of-master-of-puppets-we-were-just-kids-20160302?page=4

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