The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[TheCountOfNYC]

01: The Four Horsmen/Metal Militia
02: Ride the Lightning/The Call of Ktulu
03: Master of Puppets/Welcome Home (Sanitarium)/Orion (Can't decide. My all time favorite album)
04: Blackened/...And Justice For All
05: Sad But True/My Friend of Misery
06: King Nothing
07: The Unforgiven II/Low Man's Lyric
08: Frantic
09: The Unforgiven III/Suicide & Redemption
10: No Leaf Clover

[Onno]

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Orion/Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
4. One/The Frayed Ends of Sanity
5. Enter Sandman
6. Outlaw Torn
7. The Unforgiven II
8. My World/Some Kind of Monster
9. All Nightmare Long
10. No Leaf Clover

8. My World

  I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

[LCArenas]

Hit the Lights
Ride The Lightning
Battery
One
Wherever I May Roam
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel
Some Kind of Monster
The End of the Line
No Leaf Clover

[Kotowboy]

  I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.

[mikeyd23]

Just watched the new MetClub video with the clip of James tracking guitars... It was really cool to see him tracking but you can't really hear much just a couple power chords and what sounds like a riff in the distance behind Lars talking. Encouraging to see them actually tracking though.

[Onno]

  I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.

I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go'  is really cool.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

1. The Four Horsemen
2. The Call of Kthulu
3. Battery
4. Blackened
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. The Outlaw Torn (S&M Version even better)
7. Fixxxer
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes
10. No Leaf Clover

[Kotowboy]

  I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.

I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go'  is really cool.

Too many riffs on that album are in the 0 - 3 - 5 progression.

[krands85]

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Master of Puppets
4. One
5. Enter Sandman
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fuel
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes
10. No Leaf Clover

Something like that. It was close between Blackened/AJFA/One and The Day that Never Comes/That Was Just Your Life.

[Ben_Jamin]

1. Metal Militia
2. Escape
3. Orion
4. The shortest Straw
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. Until It Sleeps
7. The Memory Remains
8. Sweet Amber
9. Cyanide
10. No Leaf Clover

[Onno]

  I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.

I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go'  is really cool.

Too many riffs on that album are in the 0 - 3 - 5 progression.

Though I have learned a lot about music in the last year due to singing in a choir, taking singing lessons and piano lessons and having conversations with my uncle (who went to a music college) about music, I know what you mean but I haven't really noticed it before. Maybe it's because I haven't listened to the album in a while. But I believe you 

[OpenYourEyes311]

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Battery
4. One
5. Nothing Else Matters
6. Hero of the Day
7. Fixxxer
8. No Leaf Clover
9. Invisible Kid
10. Suicide & Redemption

OR

1. Hit the Lights
2. Fade to Black
3. Master of Puppets
4. Blackened
5. Through The Never
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fuel
8. I Disappear
9. Frantic
10. All Nightmare Long

[BlobVanDam]

I finally actually listened to the little studio snippet, and while it was only a teensy bit of actual music, I liked what I heard. It wasn't fast and thrashy, so that's a good start. If Metallica don't overextend themselves and bloat the songs, and do some vocal harmonies this time, they still have it in them to write a great album.

[Enigmachine]

Along the way, excited Lars revealed that renowned producer and studio engineer, Mr. Greg Fidelman, is a part of the recording process.

It remains unknown which exact position is Fidelman covering in the studio, but he's certainly there.

The man has already worked with the 'Tallica fold before, as an engineer/mixer on "Death Magnetic," and as a producer/engineer/mixer on the infamous "Lulu."

As for the remainder of Greg's career, the producer's work spans back to 1995. His first notable work was an engineering gig on System of a Down's 1998 self-titled debut.

Since then, he has worked with a vast array of musicians, delving both into areas of pop and crushing metal.

Fidelman's notable efforts as an engineer include Audioslave's self-titled debut from 2002, Jet's 2003 "Get Born," Black Sabbath's "13," and more.

As an engineer/mixer, Greg worked on Adele's "21," Red Hot Chili Peppers' "I'm With You," Slayer's "World Painted Blood," Johnny Cash's "American V: A Hundred Highways," Slipknot's "Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses," and more.

Finally, the man is credited as the producer of two quite notable recent releases in metal - Slipknot's ".5: The Gray Chapter," and Slayer's "Repentless." If he's handling production on the new Metallica release, these two albums could serve as the strongest indicators of the production type we should expect.

Wow, there couldn't have been a worse choice for the position of producer. 
At least half of those albums are infamously bad loudness war victims. How has Metallica not learned from the backlash to the sound of 'Death Magnetic'?

[Kotowboy]

Because he was merely engineer on those albums and guess who the Big Fat Beard in charge was ? Dick Rubin.

He recorded and produced their Ronnie James Dio cover " Ronnie Rising " which sounded great...

and this : https://t.co/11goyWgbm1 < - - - Orion Re-Recorded by Metallica.

Anyway - Metallica said they weren't there when they were approving mixes and are well aware of the clipping fiasco and i'd be shocked if it was that bad again.

[Onno]

I certainly hope the mix isn't going to be as bad as the mix on DM. We'll see.

[Kotowboy]

I certainly hope the mix isn't going to be as bad as the mix on DM. We'll see.

During the promo for Lords Of Summer they uploaded a pic of the wav form for the final mix and the caption was " NO CLIPPING ".


They know.

[Onno]

That's good to hear 

[Podaar]

Wow, 30 years since "Ride the Lightning"?! That went quick.

https://www.guitarworld.com/metallicas-kirk-hammett-talks-ride-lightning-cliff-burton-and-benefits-taking-guitar-lessons-joe-satriani

[black_biff_stadler]

That was a good read. For many years I'd hit a wall where I might read 5-10 Metallica interviews and not find out one meaningful new bit of info but that shit had a lot of insight. Thanks brah!

[BlobVanDam]

Cool interview.

[jammindude]

Wow, 30 years since "Ride the Lightning"?! That went quick.

https://www.guitarworld.com/metallicas-kirk-hammett-talks-ride-lightning-cliff-burton-and-benefits-taking-guitar-lessons-joe-satriani

Over 31 now.   In fact, I believe it was very close to this time of year 31 years ago when I purchased the album on the new release rack (because it had just been re-issued by Elektra Records that week).

[TAC]

I love Kirk. I could listen to him talk all day long. His passion and regular guy persona feels real.

[Kotowboy]

he sounds permanently baked to me. And stammers a lot and is unsure of what he's saying.

[TAC]

he sounds permanently baked to me. 

 
That, he does!

[kaos2900]

I've been going through their Discography for the first time in at least 5 years. Most of it has not aged well. Ride the Lightning through the Black Album are about as solid 4 album run any band could hope for. That being said Load and Reload have not aged well. Still feel those should have been a single album cutting the majority of filler tracks. Garage Inc is awesome but it's a cover album. St. Anger was St. Anger. Death Magnetic was ok but something seems to be missing. How a band could stay as popular as Metallica has after not putting out a truly solid album in 20+ years is beyond me. I was as big of Metallica fan as you could be at one point but the ridiculous amount of time it took the band to put out new material has turned me off from the band. I honestly feel that Metallica is one of the most overrated of the past 25 years. I get they were really good at one point but there really is no reason why they should still be considered "The Biggest Metal Band in the WORLD" any more. They should be known as "The Most FRUSTRATING Metal Band in the WORLD". Anyway, it was nice yet disappointing trip down memory lane. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

[Anguyen92]

I get they were really good at one point but there really is no reason why they should still be considered "The Biggest Metal Band in the WORLD" any more. They should be known as "The Most FRUSTRATING Metal Band in the WORLD". Anyway, it was nice yet disappointing trip down memory lane. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

They are the biggest metal band in the world because they still draw crowds if they desire to play shows in any region that can host concerts.  They are the biggest headliners in any festivals they desire to play.  If they are in a festival bill, they are headlining and draw a big crowd, no question.  Are they greatest, today?  No, a lack of releasing quality albums in the 2000s has hindered that, imo, but the biggest does not always equal the greatest.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Best and greatest do not mean the same thing. No metal band has come anywhere close to having the success that Metallica has had. How many bands can say that everyone of their albums has gone platinum? How many can sell out arenas/stadiums no matter where they go? How many bands can say that there was a petition for them to play at the Super Bowl and have it get enough votes to actually be sent in? Even if the quality of music has declined, Metallica has maintained a level of success that is unique to their genre. That is why they are the greatest metal band in the world.

[Train of Naught]

Add to that, how many bands can say they performed in front of a live audience on all seven world continents?

[fadetoblackdude7]

. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

I remember that story that they almost fired Lars in the 80s.....combining both "What ifs"......If Metallica consisted of James, Kirk, Cliff and some amazing metal drummer, then Metallica wouldn't even be the same band that they are now!

[TheCountOfNYC]

. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

I remember that story that they almost fired Lars in the 80s.....combining both "What ifs"......If Metallica consisted of James, Kirk, Cliff and some amazing metal drummer, then Metallica wouldn't even be the same band that they are now!

They most likely wouldn't have had the same success. One of the reasons that Cliff left his old band Trauma to join Metallica was because he felt that their sound was becoming too mainstream. He most likely would not have been on board with an album like Black Album. Also, Lars is the most knowledgeable member of the band in terms of business and marketing. He has always been the one out in public essentially selling the band to the world. Without him, they wouldn't have had the same exposure.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Also, Lars wasn't half as bad back in the 80s/early 90s as he is nowadays. He was very good back then, and very enjoyable to listen to/watch. The lazy ass clearly stopped practicing his instrument and became a joke of himself.

[Kotowboy]

Lars isn't THAT bad these days. Kirk is way worse.

https://youtu.be/vzgOBND2rcc?t=8m24s

This is pretty solid.

[bl5150]

What if a genie granted me one wish in 1985 and I decided to disappear all current and future wah pedals.

[chaossystem]

1) Seek & Destroy
2) Creeping Death
3) The Thing That Should Not Be
4) Eye of the Beholder
5) My Friend of Misery (or The Unforgiven)
6) King Nothing
7) Bad Seed
8) No Leaf Clover (though I prefer the S & M version of For Whom the Bell Tolls or Of Wolf and Man)
9) I Dissapear (I know I could be wrong, but I think that's how it was originally spelled)
10) Frantic
11) Pride, Passion & Glory version of Broken, Beat & Scarred

Bonus Track: Through the Never version of Orion