Star Trek: The Next Threaderation

[BlobVanDam]

I don't really get the hate for Insurrection. Sure, it felt like a long TNG episode, but I'm not sure I see the problem with that.

Ditto. It's certainly not one of the best Trek movies, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Trek is at its best on TV, so I don't necessarily see the problem with it feeling like a long TNG episode either.

[King Postwhore]

It's a good movie but coming off the heels of First Contact, most of the movie viewers felt underwhelmed.

[El Barto]

Yeah, Insurrection was fine. It suffered from the same flaws as FC, but people loved that because of the Borg and the shootouts and whatnot. The problem is disregarding the characterizations, IMO. At least with Insurrection they had the fountain of youth thing to explain everybody acting out of character. In FC it was just Picard becoming an obsessive Rambo for not much reason.

[Kotowboy]

It's a good movie but coming off the heels of First Contact, most of the movie viewers felt underwhelmed.

Yes pretty much this.  And the fact that it was blatantly obvious ILM didn't do the CGI for the movie.

[Kotowboy]

So a new report suggests that Paramount are in negotiations with Rupert Wyatt who directed Rise Of The Planet of The Apes - but not it's sequel - directed by Matt Reeves.

Interesting choice. I remember his name mentioned when JJ Abrams first jumped ship.

[BlobVanDam]

Both new POTA movies were good examples of what modern Hollywood movies should be, so I'd be for that. Matt Reeves would be even better though. He played a big part in making Dawn what it was, rather than a mindless evil ape story.

[King Postwhore]

So Decker wasn't only into bald chicks.



https://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/tv/tvguide/article/7th-Heaven-Star-Stephen-Collins-Admits-to-5963067.php

[Kotowboy]

oh......


I bet those kids wanted that less than Jim kirk wanted the enterprise.

[Kotowboy]

https://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/12/22/fast-and-the-furious-s-justin-lin-to-direct-star-trek-3?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[El Barto]

Sadly, I'm not optimistic.

Well there's a surprise...

Sorry to be correct on this one. Still, like I said, it's Hollywood and they've got their target audience for the franchise. They're not going to blow 200 million on good sci-fi. They'd rather make it that action/sci-fi/laserexplosionmutantrobotbullshit that fills up 3d theaters.

[Kotowboy]

Not to be a negative nancy - but JJ resisted 3D until Paramount said they would pull the film unless it was in 3D forcing JJ to film in 2D and convert afterwards.

I haven't seen any of Justin Lin's movies but as a F&F director - is he going to be even MORE action oriented than JJ was ? Or can he do characters and plot too ?

[El Barto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9CmTAyYjbk
Yeah, this pretty much sums up TFatF. Looking at IMDB that seems to be about what the guy's good for.

And yeah, "these pictures." 

[Kotowboy]

Well he didn't direct the first few - only the most recent 3. . . And according to wiki - he's done plenty more than just the F&F movies.

[El Barto]

Well he didn't direct the first few - only the most recent 3. . .

Yeah, that's not actually a good sign. 

[BlobVanDam]

Oh FFS. There goes all hope for this one.

[Kotowboy]

Maybe - i'll just watch the ones I enjoy. I'll still go see it.

[BlobVanDam]

I'll still go see it, because it's Trek, but it's obvious what direction Paramount wants to take these movies, and it's not a good direction for Trek.
Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, and it will turn out good, but more likely it's going to be another empty excuse for explosions and crashes.

[Nick]

W. T. F.

[rumborak]

That's a very disappointing development.

[El Barto]

Too bad it's paramount and not Sony. It'd probably only take a couple of us, three tops, to bully them into changing directions.

[hefdaddy42]

*shrugs*

I don't think it's necessarily a bad choice.  I feel better about it than Orci.  And he certainly knows how to work with big budgets and bring butts to seats.

I have no idea what he knows/loves about Star Trek.  But I think that may not be the most relevant thing in the world.

But I would much rather see no third film in this iteration at all.  Just scrap it and bring Trek back to TV where it belongs.

[Kotowboy]

Lin has a lot of TV and non-action credits as a director. I think at WORST we'll get a fun action movie.

I have mixed feeling naturally. Guess we'll wait and see. But i'm not writing it off instantly like a lot of people are.

[PowerSlave]

Just scrap it and bring Trek back to TV where it belongs.

QFT

[The King in Crimson]

I have no idea what he knows/loves about Star Trek.  But I think that may not be the most relevant thing in the world.

Considering Abrams, I don't think it really matters much anymore.

The most important thing is they get someone who can write a fricken script and not hack one out. That's more important than who directs it IMO.

I think at WORST we'll get a fun action movie.

So.... basically ST09 and STID again then.

[BlobVanDam]

I have no idea what he knows/loves about Star Trek.  But I think that may not be the most relevant thing in the world.

Considering Abrams, I don't think it really matters much anymore.

The most important thing is they get someone who can write a fricken script and not hack one out. That's more important than who directs it IMO.

I think at WORST we'll get a fun action movie.

So.... basically ST09 and STID again then.

FTFM. STID was not a fun experience for me.
Star Trek really needs to return to TV, with someone in charge who understands real scifi. TV is in desperate need of some scifi right now.

[El Barto]

Star Trek really needs to return to TV, with someone in charge who understands real scifi. TV is in desperate need of some scifi right now.

The question is where do you go with it? Another 75 years into the future? You've got two different gaps in what they've done, but you'd be so surrounded by canon that you'd be pretty limited. That's why VOY worked (at least to the two of us). You can't really set it in a static location, as we saw with DS9. The one thing JJA did right was finding a way to reboot the whole thing to provide a blank slate. Yet transferring that to TV wouldn't work without that cast, and sadly that won't happen.

[BlobVanDam]

Star Trek really needs to return to TV, with someone in charge who understands real scifi. TV is in desperate need of some scifi right now.

The question is where do you go with it? Another 75 years into the future? You've got two different gaps in what they've done, but you'd be so surrounded by canon that you'd be pretty limited. That's why VOY worked (at least to the two of us). You can't really set it in a static location, as we saw with DS9. The one thing JJA did right was finding a way to reboot the whole thing to provide a blank slate. Yet transferring that to TV wouldn't work without that cast, and sadly that won't happen.

That is a definite issue. Obviously they're not bringing this cast to TV, and recasting them would probably be lame and cheap, and recasting such iconic characters yet again for TV would be a real task. I don't think it's a wise idea to return to the prime universe at this point either, as much as I love it, for the reasons mentioned.

I think the most likely scenarios are either a new show that spins off shortly after the next movie, new characters/cast, that acknowledges the events of the movies, but isn't really connected to it, or they could reboot TNG in the new universe, make a few changes to reflect the new timeline, distance themselves from it while still having that blank slate.

I really don't know. I'm not saying these are the best options, but I see them as the most likely avenues for Trek to return to TV at this point.

[Kotowboy]

Bob Orci has confirmed on TrekMovie.com forum that he has been reduced to "Producing. Nothing More. Nothing Less."

Still no news on who is writing the script if they have one. But now there's no Kurtzman, No Orci directing and no Orci writing either.

[JayOctavarium]

I dub thee the new Chat Thread!

[Orbert]

[Kotowboy]

However the new film ends up - the 3 films still won't be as bad as the SW prequels ;p

I'll take Star Trek Into Darkness over Attack Of The Clones any day.

YES I KNOW THATS NOT SAYING MUCH.

[BlobVanDam]

BUT THAT'S NOT SAYING MU.........

Dangit.

[King Postwhore]

I really wish they'd release the DS9 series on Blu Ray.

[BlobVanDam]

I really wish they'd release the DS9 series on Blu Ray.

If TNG does well enough on Bluray, DS9 should be next, but like TNG, it will take time for them to redo all of the episodes in HD.

[Kotowboy]

Now I have a PS4 I'll have to get all of TNG and the 12 movies on blu ray