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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2013, 06:26:29 PM »
Quote from: serrano on July 15, 2013, 05:40:19 AM
Awesome, my only critique to that song is that you have to hear Lie to get to the reprise. I'd kill to see it live in the next tour including Lie-outro.

THIS...

I actually created a seamless, flawless mix of The Mirror that duplicates (hmmm...reflects?) the arrangement from LSFNY.    I use it for mix CD's...but I'm seriously thinking about just making a home version of Awake that just uses that version of The Mirror and deletes Lie altogether.   
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2013, 06:36:04 PM »
note to self:  another one I need to listen to on the way home...


please, what does "puppies on acid" mean???   :blush
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2013, 06:42:45 PM »
Quote from: sueño on July 15, 2013, 06:36:04 PM
note to self:  another one I need to listen to on the way home...


please, what does "puppies on acid" mean???   :blush

"Puppies on Acid" was the working title of that main riff you hear in The Mirror.   During the Images and Words tour, it was often used as an extended intro to "Take the Time".   You can see it on the Live in Tokyo home video.   (or, on the usual sites that rhyme with BlueLube..  :angel: )
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2013, 06:49:23 PM »
DT names their RIFFS????  Not only songs, but riffs????  Amazing.   :o


Okay -- I'll listen carefully.

On my way now!  :)
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2013, 06:49:43 PM »
It's on the Once In A Livetime album too.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2013, 07:03:09 PM »
Quote from: jammindude on July 15, 2013, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: sueño on July 15, 2013, 06:36:04 PM
note to self:  another one I need to listen to on the way home...


please, what does "puppies on acid" mean???   :blush

"Puppies on Acid" was the working title of that main riff you hear in The Mirror.   During the Images and Words tour, it was often used as an extended intro to "Take the Time".   You can see it on the Live in Tokyo home video.   (or, on the usual sites that rhyme with BlueLube..  :angel: )
  . . . and wasn't the working title for Lie, kittens on crack?
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2013, 09:42:44 PM »
It was called Puppies On Acid because that's what the guitar melody sounded like? "Puppies on aaaacid, what a funny sight?" (after the intro before the first verse)
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2013, 09:51:59 PM »
Listened to  them both (Lies, too).

Very nice.  This is what I mean about my listening habits being a song at a time, rather than entire albums. I hear of a tune and go listen.  Is it better to hear the entirety?  Maybe.  But picking and choosing works, too!   :)
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2013, 10:16:41 PM »
Its one song I hope they play again. It'd be a good crowd interaction song, and maybe JP can do MPs parts. JLB would just rip it up now as his voice is more pristine then on LSFNY.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2013, 10:06:54 AM »
Quote from: sueño on July 15, 2013, 06:49:23 PM
DT names their RIFFS????  Not only songs, but riffs????  Amazing.   :o
They do if the riff is all they have.  It wasn't a real song, only a piece of a song, but they wanted to play it live, so they had to call it something.

Likewise, there was an underdeveloped instrumental version of Raise The Knife that was performed several times.  Back then it was known as Showdown.
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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2013, 10:26:01 AM »
Ah.  Got it!  :)
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2013, 10:46:33 AM »
DT may also give (working) titles to some riffs/sections based on what band they sound like, a good example being "the Meshuggah riff" in The Dance of Eternity. Some sections also get other kinds of nicknames, like the "tickle section" in Lost Not Forgotten.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2013, 10:48:26 AM »
Is it in drop D?
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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2013, 10:51:01 AM »
Quote from: tiagodon on July 16, 2013, 10:48:26 AM
Is it in drop D?

Naw, it's in "dirty D"....(James Brown - Funky Good Time)...   :biggrin:

okay, i'm out...   :-[
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2013, 11:02:10 AM »
Quote from: tiagodon on July 16, 2013, 10:48:26 AM
Is it in drop D?
Which song? The Mirror is played on a 7-string in standard tuning, Lost Not Forgotten is a 6-string song in D tuning (1 step down).
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« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2013, 11:30:02 AM »
Quote from: ? on July 16, 2013, 11:02:10 AM
Lost Not Forgotten is a 6-string song in D tuning (1 step down).

LNF is in C I believe.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2013, 11:55:57 AM »
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/dream-theaters-a-dramatic-turn-of-events-full-album-preview-488940/4
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Guitar-wise, it’s the one song where I tune down to D. I thought it would sound heavier that way. And it does – I think the song kicks some serious ass!
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2013, 01:03:46 PM »
All right. Although I'm confused, I always thought it was in C :huh:
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2013, 01:09:45 PM »
The chugging riffs are in D minor and you can't hear any low C's, so I would've guessed the tuning right even if JP had never revealed it ;D
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2013, 01:52:55 PM »
Okay, I listened to it again, and yes, they are Ds. Sorry :D
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2013, 02:07:34 PM »
Yea LNF is in D. It's the only song on the album that uses an alternate tuning, as opposed to Black Clouds and 8vm which used alt tunings on most songs.

The Mirror is in B and was just played up an octave by JP before he got the 7 string.
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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2013, 11:07:22 PM »
Quote from: Mosh on July 16, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
Yea LNF is in D. It's the only song on the album that uses an alternate tuning, as opposed to Black Clouds and 8vm which used alt tunings on most songs.

OTBOA: E
BMUBMD: B
LNF: D
TITL: don't know, probably E
BITS: B
Outcry: B
FFH: not sure right now if it contains guitar parts at all
BAI: E
BTS: E

Quite a bit of alternate tunings here.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2013, 12:27:00 AM »
F...ing kick-ass look by all of them:


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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2013, 12:30:55 AM »
Quote from: aprilethereal on July 16, 2013, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: Mosh on July 16, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
Yea LNF is in D. It's the only song on the album that uses an alternate tuning, as opposed to Black Clouds and 8vm which used alt tunings on most songs.

OTBOA: E
BMUBMD: B
LNF: D
TITL: don't know, probably E
BITS: B
Outcry: B
FFH: not sure right now if it contains guitar parts at all
BAI: E
BTS: E

Quite a bit of alternate tunings here.
I'm not sure what you mean. Everything (except LNF) uses standard tuning. E-A-D-G-B-E. BITS, BMUBMD, and Outcry are played on 7 string guitars, but those are using standard tunings as well. 

By alternate tuning, I mean like on ANTR how the guitars are tuned down 3 whole steps.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2013, 12:51:44 AM »
Quote from: Mosh on July 17, 2013, 12:30:55 AM
By alternate tuning, I mean like on ANTR how the guitars are tuned down 3 whole steps.
You mean 2? It's in C, not in A# ;)
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2013, 01:03:24 AM »
Quote from: ? on July 17, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
Quote from: Mosh on July 17, 2013, 12:30:55 AM
By alternate tuning, I mean like on ANTR how the guitars are tuned down 3 whole steps.
You mean 2? It's in C, not in A# ;)
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2013, 04:07:36 AM »
So much enahrgy. Powa.

The puppies on acid riff is simply awesome. Makes me wanna headbang!
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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2013, 10:37:49 AM »
Quote from: Mosh on July 17, 2013, 12:30:55 AM
I'm not sure what you mean. Everything (except LNF) uses standard tuning. E-A-D-G-B-E. BITS, BMUBMD, and Outcry are played on 7 string guitars, but those are using standard tunings as well. 

By alternate tuning, I mean like on ANTR how the guitars are tuned down 3 whole steps.

Sorry, misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about tunings different from EADGBE in general (which includes BEADGBE).



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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2013, 11:05:55 PM »
If you are thinking C tuning, remember TOT, they tuned to C because of St Anger if I'm not mistaken.  AIA, HTF and ITNOG are all in C.  ES is in D, SOC is Eb and TDS is B.  Not sure about Vacant.

So yeah, DT are pretty creative with their songwriting and tunings and keys.

Anyway, back on topic, I was listening to Awake in the car today and I forgot how amazing the Mirror was.  The repirse is amazing and I might try and make a mix of it too.  Amazing song.

Does anyone actually know why they reprised it in Lie?  Apologies if it's a n00bish question.
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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2013, 11:09:05 PM »
Lie came about from an instrumental section in the end of the original Mirror demo. Someone (I think James) pointed out the fact that that riff (the main riff in Lie) would make a great stand alone song. So the they changed it around a tad, Kev through some lyrics at it, and BLAM... Lie.
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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2014, 11:08:01 PM »
So worth bumping.

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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2014, 11:39:22 PM »
Still a top 5 DT song.
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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2014, 07:44:32 AM »
Fantastically awesome.
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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2014, 09:19:56 AM »
DONT TELL ME
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DONT TELL ME
BECAUSE I KNOW


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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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Re: The Mirror appreciation thread
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2014, 09:55:09 AM »
When I first heard The Mirror I thought they ripped off Metallica's Don't Tread on Me. It kind of bothered me for a while. Awesome song. Both of them actually.
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