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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6055 on: August 28, 2013, 12:36:08 PM »

• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.


I'm pretty sure that Portnoy was the only one in the band to think that way.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6056 on: August 28, 2013, 12:37:49 PM »
That video is nice, James' comments made my day :lol

"What the fuck was I thinking?"

We all wish we knew, James. :lol It's funny. They look like they're having so much fun, which is awesome!
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6057 on: August 28, 2013, 12:38:44 PM »

• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.


I'm pretty sure that Portnoy was the only one in the band to think that way.

You sure? They released TEI on 8/5/13 (for us Americans) and I doubt Portnoy had any influence on that. I think that might be a thing with all of them now.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6058 on: August 28, 2013, 12:57:49 PM »
Pretty cool video. Seems like it confirms cyberdrummer's experience that the album was a mesh between Images, TOT, Octavarium and SDOIT.
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« Reply #6059 on: August 28, 2013, 01:23:48 PM »
Great video. I was  :rollin from about half way in until end. James'  :| was great. Would have liked to hear JM and MM's names at least mentioned, but whatever.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6060 on: August 28, 2013, 01:30:27 PM »
Pretty cool video. Seems like it confirms cyberdrummer's experience that the album was a mesh between Images, TOT, Octavarium and SDOIT.
Or maybe just... something else?

Sorry but I just pictured someone trying to describe a giraffe to someone else who's never seen it before. "Well you know, it's got the body of a horse, no wait... camel... but way, waaaaaay taller! And then spots all over... like a friggin' leopard! And men it even has fu**ing horns!!"

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« Reply #6061 on: August 28, 2013, 01:32:39 PM »
Could someone make a transcription of the funny part where they were laughing and apparently JLB says "what was I thinking"? I can't watch it with sound because of the freakin background music! haha

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6062 on: August 28, 2013, 01:51:01 PM »
Album 13 seems to me the perfect time to do a concept or double album.

• 30th anniversary - assuming the next album comes out in 2015.

• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.

• Third album with Mangini.
First album was - we're still Dream Theater. Second album was - let's see what we can do. Third album should be the massive opus.


• James and John both seemed to hint that they would do one again soon.

And you forgot:

2015

2+0+1+5 = 8
20-15 = 5

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« Reply #6063 on: August 28, 2013, 02:03:39 PM »
Could someone make a transcription of the funny part where they were laughing and apparently JLB says "what was I thinking"? I can't watch it with sound because of the freakin background music! haha

When writing melody, do you write specific to range?
JLB: A lot of that might stand true with when I'm doing my solo stuff. With Dream Theater it's a different approach - musically - because you have two very powerful musical forces, being (as composers) John and Jordan. There's a lot of stuff going on there. It's like what I was saying during this process... this isn't an easy answer because there's so many layers to it, right?

JP: Mmm hmm.

JLB: But, you know, I was saying... If you don't get your foot in there quickly enough, your voice in where you want to say "oh yeah, this is what I'm hearing", you're lost in the shuffle. I mean, there were many moments, I'd be like "HEY GUYS... HANG ON A SEC, GUYS GUYS" and they'd be like "BOLDODODLDODODLDLODODBUBUBUBU, THATWASAGOODONE, BRBRBRLRBRBRBDBDBDBDBD", and then I'd be like, "the fuck was I thinking about? Where was I going to go with this?" You know, they'd pull it back so you'd see me running out of the room and I'm like "BLEBLEBLEEBLOBLABLABLASUMUSMSANAAABLA", and I'd come back and they'd be going "uhh, yeah, you know that thing, we changed that, we're gonna go in this direction now." "Oh, that makes that irrelevant what I was thinking".

JP: That's so two hours ago, James.

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JLB: Totally! "James, we're not even going there anymore." "Uh. Okay." But as far as the melody structuring and how that all goes about, it's initially sitting down - in this instance it was Jordan, John and myself sitting down - and then John taking those melodies and going away, writing the lyrics. When he started to write the lyrics - because a lot of the way John works is he completely isolates himself in a room or somewhere within the studio that no one else is around, has his acoustic guitar, and he starts singing through his words, and so the melody's taking on another shape there.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6064 on: August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 PM »
Album 13 seems to me the perfect time to do a concept or double album.

• 30th anniversary - assuming the next album comes out in 2015.

• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.

• Third album with Mangini.
First album was - we're still Dream Theater. Second album was - let's see what we can do. Third album should be the massive opus.


• James and John both seemed to hint that they would do one again soon.

And you forgot:

2015

2+0+1+5 = 8
20-15 = 5

 :eek

It should be a concept album about Back To The Future 2.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6065 on: August 28, 2013, 02:25:55 PM »
Could someone make a transcription of the funny part where they were laughing and apparently JLB says "what was I thinking"? I can't watch it with sound because of the freakin background music! haha

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« Reply #6066 on: August 28, 2013, 02:33:28 PM »
I mean, there were many moments, I'd be like "HEY GUYS... HANG ON A SEC, GUYS GUYS" and they'd be like "BOLDODODLDODODLDLODODBUBUBUBU, THATWASAGOODONE, BRBRBRLRBRBRBDBDBDBDBD", and then I'd be like, "the fuck was I thinking about? Where was I going to go with this?" You know, they'd pull it back so you'd see me running out of the room and I'm like "BLEBLEBLEEBLOBLABLABLASUMUSMSANAAABLA",

 :lol  Haven't seen the vid yet, but I can totally imagine what that sounds like!
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« Reply #6067 on: August 28, 2013, 02:38:52 PM »
I imagine it must get quite annoying / daunting listening to 4 world class virtuoso musicians jamming / trying to write a song :lol


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« Reply #6068 on: August 28, 2013, 02:45:26 PM »
 :lol

Btw, that transcription might make that video funnier.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6069 on: August 28, 2013, 02:49:53 PM »
That part with the JLB air guitar should be a GIF. :lol

Terrific short interview though. It gave some solid insight into how the lyrics and the vocals come along.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6070 on: August 28, 2013, 04:16:55 PM »
I'm surprised by how short False Awakening Suite is, considering it's a 3-movement song. Each movement would be under a minute long.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6071 on: August 28, 2013, 05:14:08 PM »
Has anyone seen this album cover yet? Roadrunner used it in their last video with John and James' Interview, and now Amazon is using it. I wish the logo was on the top, rather than the bottom though...


https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6072 on: August 28, 2013, 07:05:39 PM »
Little known fact: for Falling Into Infinity, the original album title was intended to be Stream of Consciousness, but when that was scrapped (even though favored by both MP and JP - other members, unite!), one of the ideas kicked around was. . . Dream Theater.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6073 on: August 28, 2013, 07:21:46 PM »
Little known fact: for Falling Into Infinity, the original album title was intended to be Stream of Consciousness, but when that was scrapped (even though favored by both MP and JP - other members, unite!), one of the ideas kicked around was. . . Dream Theater.

Reminds me of the "in a stream of consciousness" part of Lines In The Sand, always thought that was peculiar. I didn't know that little fact, makes sense now.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6074 on: August 28, 2013, 08:16:26 PM »
I remember reading somewhere that MP didn't like the idea of a selftitled album.

Also, glad they didn't go with Stream Of Consciousness. That title doesn't really fit the music.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6075 on: August 28, 2013, 08:36:11 PM »
Personally, I was hoping they'd leave the title off the cover. Shame.

Also, glad they didn't go with Stream Of Consciousness. That title doesn't really fit the music.

Well, yeah, not after the label made them restructure all the songs. That's like, the opposite of the sheer concept of Stream of Consciousness.

Though to be honest, I didn't think the title fit the ToT instrumental very well either.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6076 on: August 28, 2013, 08:37:13 PM »
Has anyone seen this album cover yet? Roadrunner used it in their last video with John and James' Interview, and now Amazon is using it. I wish the logo was on the top, rather than the bottom though...


https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg

Surprised about this actually. Every interview has said it's just the logo, no band name or anything. Did they cave?
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6077 on: August 28, 2013, 08:40:37 PM »
Maybe vetoed by RR?
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6078 on: August 28, 2013, 08:41:30 PM »
I thought having the band name on there was just for promo stuff, although I'd prefer it with an album title anyway. I've never liked albums without words on them. I want images AND words.
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« Reply #6079 on: August 28, 2013, 08:56:41 PM »
That symbol...still looks...wrong. My wish didn't come true. I guess they're never gonna fix it. Am i the only one perturbed by this? Does no one really care? Why is this not talked about more? Why is no one asking the band members about this in any of the interviews? Please, can anyone with a hotline to the DT camp find out? anything. I need at least a reason why.
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« Reply #6080 on: August 28, 2013, 09:01:21 PM »
It's just a little different.  Like Van Halen changed their logo with 5150.  It's their symbol, they can do what they want with it.
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« Reply #6081 on: August 28, 2013, 09:01:52 PM »
I wouldn't mind it if the logo was sharper, but it looks like a complete afterthought to me. The cover looks much better with no text. Maybe if it had been chrome like the Majesty symbol I would've liked it.

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« Reply #6082 on: August 28, 2013, 09:02:48 PM »
In the interview that goo-goo just posted he mentions only the logo too...

I wouldn't mind it if the logo was sharper, but it looks like a complete afterthought to me. The cover looks much better with no text. Maybe if it had been chrome like the Majesty symbol I would've liked it.

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« Reply #6083 on: August 28, 2013, 09:48:53 PM »
I find it interesting that Queensryche slightly redesigned their logo in their self-titled as well.
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« Reply #6084 on: August 29, 2013, 12:33:34 AM »
The logo doesn't really bother me because it still looks like what it originally was so you can still tell its the Majesty symbol. Symbols(especially for bands)change sometimes just like the music of the band changes.
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« Reply #6085 on: August 29, 2013, 12:36:59 AM »
First when I saw the new cover, I was like "It needs the logo!!!",  but not anymore :3 
It's maybe the best cover by DT IMO. Simple and recognizable!
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« Reply #6086 on: August 29, 2013, 12:56:10 AM »
First when I saw the new cover, I was like "It needs the logo!!!",  but not anymore :3 
It's maybe the best cover by DT IMO. Simple and recognizable!

I agree. I originally thought it looked strange without the logo. Now that I've seen it with the logo, I want it gone. It's more aesthetically pleasing to me with just the Majesty symbol. Come to think of it, I imagine everything has already gone to printing and is about to be shipped out to retail distributors. :caffeine:
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« Reply #6087 on: August 29, 2013, 01:06:40 AM »
I understand the logo in the center and all,but what has the earth got to do with it?What does it represent more specifically?
Oh,and what is all this thing about 5,8,13,fiveeightforum etc.Can someone elaborate on that?I may be missing something.Thank you.

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« Reply #6088 on: August 29, 2013, 01:40:34 AM »
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6089 on: August 29, 2013, 01:50:13 AM »
I think the band logo may be just a sticker or on the plastic or something... maybe a slipcase. I don't know if it'll be on the printed version.
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