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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5985 on: August 27, 2013, 08:53:02 AM »
AH, one of the Instagram comments and now I can't unsee it: "Capitalize the W in Caught In A Web or so help me."  :eek
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5986 on: August 27, 2013, 08:53:44 AM »
Cartoon intro? Does this mean that Blob's unicycler in BITS intro or some new Mika Tyyskä's projection?
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5987 on: August 27, 2013, 08:55:04 AM »
Guys this is all quite OT.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5988 on: August 27, 2013, 08:55:26 AM »
Cartoon intro? Does this mean that Blob's unicycler in BITS intro or some new Mika Tyyskä's projection?

Mika Tyyska had the intro video of the DT cartoon characters to the Inception Dream is Collapsing music.

But this should be in the Luna Park thread.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5989 on: August 27, 2013, 08:55:42 AM »
AH, one of the Instagram comments and now I can't unsee it: "Capitalize the W in Caught In A Web or so help me."  :eek

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5990 on: August 27, 2013, 08:57:03 AM »
Cartoon intro? Does this mean that Blob's unicycler in BITS intro or some new Mika Tyyskä's projection?

Mika Tyyska had the intro video of the DT cartoon characters to the Inception Dream is Collapsing music.

But this should be in the Luna Park thread.

Oh I see, I didn't catch this tour so I din't know that. Thanks!
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5991 on: August 27, 2013, 09:24:05 AM »
Glad there's way more extras on the Luna Park DVD than the "deluxe Edition" of Dream Theater.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5992 on: August 27, 2013, 09:30:16 AM »
Glad there's way more extras on the Luna Park DVD than the "deluxe Edition" of Dream Theater.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5993 on: August 27, 2013, 09:42:25 AM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.

Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5994 on: August 27, 2013, 10:19:26 AM »
Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5995 on: August 27, 2013, 10:28:31 AM »
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5996 on: August 27, 2013, 10:36:08 AM »
In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?

Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.

I have to quote this again because it seems ridiculous people are worried about losing a few extra minutes compared to past DT albums. 

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5997 on: August 27, 2013, 10:52:04 AM »
I actually like the snare sound of I&W. It's different.

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« Reply #5998 on: August 27, 2013, 11:03:33 AM »
Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?

Damn, nobody got the reference.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #5999 on: August 27, 2013, 11:35:15 AM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.

The outro to Misunderstood comes to mind.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6000 on: August 27, 2013, 12:01:13 PM »
Looks like maybe another slow promo week??

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« Reply #6001 on: August 27, 2013, 12:09:24 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.

Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.

A flaw is something that is inherently wrong with something, so you may want to rephrase your comment if it's based on opinion.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6002 on: August 27, 2013, 02:33:55 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.

Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.

A flaw is something that is inherently wrong with something, so you may want to rephrase your comment if it's based on opinion.

I have always honestly been curious if people that make comments such this (and it happens all of the time all over the internet) actually do not know that people's opinions are opinions without the words "in my opinion" in each sentence or paragraph, or if they are putting on airs to make some sort of online argument power play to get the upper hand.  I lean towards the latter, since I'm pretty sure I've never met anyone who needed the words "ADVERTISEMENT" blinking on the screen during commercials.  Any enlightenment here?  And I'm actually curious, do they not know or are we playing word games here?
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6003 on: August 27, 2013, 02:34:30 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

What I don't understand is why say "especially not DT's"? How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6004 on: August 27, 2013, 02:47:40 PM »
Looks like maybe another slow promo week??

yeah, I think at that point we have to wait beginning of the second week of September to see something more interesting, almost some track by track review and interviews...I don't think we'll hear any snippet this time.

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6005 on: August 27, 2013, 03:46:50 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.

Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.

A flaw is something that is inherently wrong with something, so you may want to rephrase your comment if it's based on opinion.

I have always honestly been curious if people that make comments such this (and it happens all of the time all over the internet) actually do not know that people's opinions are opinions without the words "in my opinion" in each sentence or paragraph, or if they are putting on airs to make some sort of online argument power play to get the upper hand.  I lean towards the latter, since I'm pretty sure I've never met anyone who needed the words "ADVERTISEMENT" blinking on the screen during commercials.  Any enlightenment here?  And I'm actually curious, do they not know or are we playing word games here?

I'm not sure that an opinion's just an affirmative statement with the words "In my opinion" trailing out of its arse. They're very different forms of speech, and if you're writing in a facty way, "IMO" is only barely paper over the cracks. "The writing is terrible" and "The writing is terrible IMO" don't feel distinct at all, and are both pretty flatly confrontational. The way the sentence is structured, it's like you don't think the opinion needs substantiating, like it's self-evident. "The writing is terrible" and "I don't like the writing," on the other hand, are night and day. The first is an affirmative statement, aims to be the last word. The latter invites questions. It's perhaps part of a... discussion!

It's not a particularly minor distinction - we're on the internet, words are all we've got! We don't know you, we have no idea what your intention is. People object to people phrasing opinions as facts because they can, at worst, make a post seem really rather arrogant and nasty - and, regrettably, since you're a stranger, we have no way of knowing that you're not! I'm sure you've posted what you've posted with all the best will in the world, but when you phrase things you know are opinions like they're facts, there's innately a disconnect between your version of what you're saying and our version of what we're reading.

We don't know you. Say the things you mean! It'd be nice to presume good faith, but... may I refer you back to, "we're on the internet!"

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« Reply #6006 on: August 27, 2013, 04:15:56 PM »
I'm not sure that an opinion's just an affirmative statement with the words "In my opinion" trailing out of its arse. They're very different forms of speech, and if you're writing in a facty way, "IMO" is only barely paper over the cracks. "The writing is terrible" and "The writing is terrible IMO" don't feel distinct at all, and are both pretty flatly confrontational. The way the sentence is structured, it's like you don't think the opinion needs substantiating, like it's self-evident. "The writing is terrible" and "I don't like the writing," on the other hand, are night and day. The first is an affirmative statement, aims to be the last word. The latter invites questions. It's perhaps part of a... discussion!

It's not a particularly minor distinction - we're on the internet, words are all we've got! We don't know you, we have no idea what your intention is. People object to people phrasing opinions as facts because they can, at worst, make a post seem really rather arrogant and nasty - and, regrettably, since you're a stranger, we have no way of knowing that you're not! I'm sure you've posted what you've posted with all the best will in the world, but when you phrase things you know are opinions like they're facts, there's innately a disconnect between your version of what you're saying and our version of what we're reading.

We don't know you. Say the things you mean! It'd be nice to presume good faith, but... may I refer you back to, "we're on the internet!"

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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6007 on: August 27, 2013, 04:35:52 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

How does DT have more flaws than other bands?

By making music less good than other bands.
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« Reply #6008 on: August 27, 2013, 04:45:27 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

How does DT have more flaws than other bands?

By making music less good than other bands.

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« Reply #6009 on: August 27, 2013, 04:47:28 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

How does DT have more flaws than other bands?

By making music less good than other bands.

They make less good music, because they make more great music. :neverusethis:
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« Reply #6010 on: August 27, 2013, 04:49:44 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

How does DT have more flaws than other bands?

By making music less good than other bands.

Yeah, I guess you've just read robwebster's post very carefully.

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« Reply #6011 on: August 27, 2013, 04:58:16 PM »
By making music less good than other bands.

The only possible interpretation of that exchange, taken literally, is that Dream Theater is your least favorite band. Since no album is perfect, "especially" not Dream Theater albums, that must mean that Dream Theater albums are the most imperfect of all albums. It would then follow that Dream Theater is your least favorite band.
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6012 on: August 27, 2013, 05:19:15 PM »

 "The writing is terrible" and "The writing is terrible IMO" don't feel distinct at all, and are both pretty flatly confrontational.



Agreed.

" The writing is terrible " hardly even needs IMO after it since it is obviously your opinion as you are the one saying it.

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« Reply #6013 on: August 27, 2013, 05:31:56 PM »
Am I the only one that thinks that it should be assumed that what people say on these forums is an opinion? Someone says something without explicitly stating that it is their opinion, and people think that it's said as fact. I don't get it.

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« Reply #6014 on: August 27, 2013, 06:56:36 PM »
Am I the only one that thinks that it should be assumed that what people say on these forums is an opinion?

No, I agree with you, so you aren't totally alone. 

I think people on the internet have a habit of getting a bit too hung up on semantics.  Don't get me wrong, I do understand the value of wording your thoughts clearly - this is the internet, after all, and, as rob so eloquently put it, words are all we have.  Words are the bridge we have to cross in order to come together on the internet.  But to me, the focus should be on coming together, not just analyzing the bridge.  When we get caught up in the semantics and argue with each other about how we should phrase our sentences, we're basically burning the bridges between us. 

I think I've taken that metaphor about as far as it can go, so let me speak plainly: words are important, yes, but people should also be able to speak freely.  The internet's no fun if you have to watch what you say all the time and be careful to word everything perfectly so that nobody takes anything you say the wrong way. 
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« Reply #6015 on: August 27, 2013, 07:26:42 PM »
So according to you, every song with palm mutes and distorted guitar is heavy?

. . .

I don't get this. Do you think that normally, heavier songs can't be good songs?

. . .

Could you please tell me what kind of problem you have with palm muted E-strings :huh:

Palm mutes and distorted guitar are major factors of whether a song is heavy or not.  There are other factors, of course, but that's one of them.

I don't have a problem with heavy songs.  Some of my best friends are heavy songs.  I bought an Ibanez Universe 15 years ago so I could play songs like The Mirror, Lie, etc.  I think certain tracks from Train of Thought are among some of my favorites.

I just don't want then to rely so much on one single sound.  Awake and I&W have some very heavy parts, but there's a lot of songs and parts of songs on those albums driven more by synth, bass, or lighter guitar riffs, and a lot more parts of songs that have a minimalistic or mysterious feel, rather than just simply balls to the wall.  That's all.
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« Reply #6016 on: August 27, 2013, 07:28:43 PM »
Some of my best friends are heavy songs. 

I don't know if this was intentional or not, but either way, it's brilliant.  :clap:
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6017 on: August 27, 2013, 07:45:41 PM »
How does DT have more flaws than other bands?

By making music less good than other bands.

They make less good music, because they make more great music. :neverusethis:

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« Reply #6018 on: August 27, 2013, 07:46:32 PM »
I approve.  :tup
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Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
« Reply #6019 on: August 27, 2013, 09:21:41 PM »
That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.

How does DT have more flaws than other bands?

By making music less good than other bands.
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