Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[TheGreatPretender]

Although this is only my opinion, I want to add to this by saying that I think Dream Theater is fantastic at writing any type of song, whether it be something they've done before or have never done before; because of that, I don't believe they have ever written a bad song, and more than likely never will, until the day Dream Theater has ended*.

* - Dream Theater will live on with its fans of course!

[aprilethereal]

I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>

Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>

[TheGreatPretender]

I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>

Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>

Seconded.

[JDW89]

Will it be heavy?

[BlobVanDam]

I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>

Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>

Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'. But radio friendliness has nothing to do with it. That idea is just prog snobbery imo. IaW had a radio hit and a power ballad on it, and how did that turn out?

[serrano]

There has been always radio friendly tracks on DT records, IAW has a lot of "radio friendly" tunes in it, not only PMU and LAD, you could even count TTT and Surrounded as radio friendly.

[Outcrier]

I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>

Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>

Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'. But radio friendliness has nothing to do with it. That idea is just prog snobbery imo. IaW had a radio hit and a power ballad on it, and how did that turn out?

SDOIT is certainly million times more creative than every album they released since...

[wolven74]

Sorry, what's LAD again? Another Day?

[serrano]

Sorry Typo, should have been AD, another day

[noxon]

It's a common error among fans that "Another Day" is titled "Live Another Day".

[aprilethereal]

I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>

Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>

Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'.

I think we had this conversation already, blob

SDOIT is certainly million times more creative than every album they released since...

Creativity is nice, but if it's lacking quality, not even creativity can save it. TGP and Disappear are stellar though

[BlobVanDam]

I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>

Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>

Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'.

I think we had this conversation already, blob

Probably, but if I had to remember everyone I disagreed with in the past, I'd have no room for anything else!
Hope I didn't come across too aggressive in that last post. I'd just woken up and I'm apparently even crabbier than usual when I first wake up.

[aprilethereal]

No problem

[Ben_Jamin]

Why is no one talking about how JP mentioned the song that would be a perfect concert ender. With a big crowd chanting ending?

[hefdaddy42]

Not sure where all this is coming from.  I've never thought that the "radio song" on each album was the worst, except for BMUBMD.  Those songs are normally pretty good.

[aurorablind]

New interview with James. First part is about the new album 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A

[Onno]

New interview with James. First part is about the new album 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A

That's really great, thanks!

And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... 

[adastra]

New interview with James. First part is about the new album 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A

That's really great, thanks!

And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... 

James is a good man  I wanna hear Scarred!!

[Elite]

This has probably been posted before, but I can´t be bothered to scroll through all the pages. It's an interview with John Petrucci by ultimate-guitar. Look at lol-worthy spelling of 'Illumination Theory' in particular, but all of it is really insightful and nice;

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_you_dont_have_to_be_afraid.html

[Kotowboy]

^ I'm guessing it was done over the phone and Illumination sounds like Elimination.

However - they correct it half way through the interview - so who knows

[liran95]

Not sure where all this is coming from.  I've never thought that the "radio song" on each album was the worst, except for BMUBMD.  Those songs are normally pretty good.

This.
The radio songs are suppoused to be less complicated, and yes, less proggy (if I may say).
But it doesn't make them any less good.
Cause, you know? This is the magic of DT. They CAN make amazing (even) radio-songs. I think that basically this is the idea of prog. To be able to mix so many aspects of music, and make the best out of this blend.

Just my opinion.

[Whatsername]

New interview with James. First part is about the new album 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A

That's really great, thanks!

And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... 

I would cry tears of joy if they played those songs.

[BlobVanDam]

New interview with James. First part is about the new album 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A

That's really great, thanks!

And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... 

I would cry tears of joy if they played those songs.

I would love to hear all of those except for Scarred. I really wouldn't expect Octavarium with being a longer song though, especially as they'll already have the new 20+ minute epic to squeeze in there.

[aprilethereal]

I would love to hear all of those except for Scarred Blind Faith. I really wouldn't expect Octavarium with being a longer song though, especially as they'll already have the new 20+ minute epic to squeeze in there.

Yes yes

[serrano]

Not heard the interview yet, but did he say that he would like to play those songs in the upcoming tour or he just wanted to play them "soon"?

[Zydar]

[aprilethereal]

He was asked for songs he'd like to play that they haven't played for years.

[serrano]

It's not the first time JLB says he would like to play 8v again.

[cyberdrummer]

They were certainly discussing these songs in the context of the next tour in this interview, however.

[liran95]

New interview with James. First part is about the new album 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A

That's really great, thanks!

And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... 

I would cry tears of joy if they played those songs.

I would love to hear all of those except for Scarred. I really wouldn't expect Octavarium with being a longer song though, especially as they'll already have the new 20+ minute epic to squeeze in there.

Yeah, but now it's an evening with. So who knows? 

[BlobVanDam]

I believe all members of DT have a say in the setlists now, so if JLB would like to play them, they'll most likely be brought up. It's probably likely one or more could show up. I'm all for anything from SDOIT disc 1 showing up. I think there's a bit of neglect there. And I would kill to hear TGP with MM live.

Yeah, but now it's an evening with. So who knows? 

You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!

[liran95]

You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!

Yeah, especially with the live-extended versions. But one can only hope

[BlobVanDam]

You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!

Yeah, especially with the live-extended versions. But one can only hope

I'll add my hope to that too! The first time they toured here was the SC tour, so I've never been able to see Octavarium live. Of course, that's assuming they're able to play here this tour. Australia didn't make the cut on the ADTOE tour.

[Whatsername]

You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!

Yeah, especially with the live-extended versions. But one can only hope

I'll add my hope to that too! The first time they toured here was the SC tour, so I've never been able to see Octavarium live. Of course, that's assuming they're able to play here this tour. Australia didn't make the cut on the ADTOE tour.

Octavarium is my favorite DT song because of the emotional response it elicits in me, so I would probably die of happiness if they actually played it. Though really I'd be happy with any of those songs (possibly Scarred, but I haven't listened to it in a while and I'm having difficulty remembering how it goes).

[serrano]

We could also move this to the setlist prediction thread...