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I thought of Hakeem (and Karl Malone and Oscar Robertson), but I eventually with went Bryant in the last slot.  As much as I enjoy hating on him :lol, he is tied for the most 1st All-NBA team appearances, so I think he deserves the 10th spot. 

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1.Jordan
2.Kareem
3.Magic
4.Russell
5.LeBron
6.Duncan
7.Bird
8.Shaq
9.Wilt
10.Hakeem

LeBron passes Russell and is tied with Magic if they win this year. He will surpass Magic next year especially if he wins another MVP. Now on the other hand if the Spurs win this year Duncan moves into the top 4 ahead of Russell for me.

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As much as I hate these efforts to compare across eras, Oscar Robertson has to be on that list.  He pioneered the "big guard" archetype like Wilt pioneered the "big man with actual skills" archetype, while simultaneously doing it (arguably) better than anybody since.  And he averaged a triple double over an entire season, and came close to doing it more than once.

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Jordan (obviously)
Russell (11 rings)
Kareem (Longevity and quality)
Magic (More success than Bird)
Bird (At risk of becoming very underrated.  Watch on Youtube)
Chamberlain (Statistical absurdity)
Duncan (He's fucking Duncan)
West (Didn't play like someone with only one ring)
Kobe (He was so good)
Oscar (Not as statistically absurd as Wilt, checkered career)

I think people are listing LeBron as a top ten all time player because of where they think his career will end up rather than where it is right now.

If LeBron wins this year he has to jump Hakeem (my 11) as well as Oscar.  Kobe might not be safe either.
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If Miami wins  with this officiating I will laugh. :lol

3 terrible foul calls on LeBron and I'm sure they will have a 3rd on Wade soon.

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Heat are absolutely neutered without LBJ. I know that goes without saying but usually it's said with underlying exaggeration. Tonight in his absence, they've gone from leading 48-37 to trailing 68-59 which is a 31-11 run and have horrible ball movement, beyond-clumsy rebounding, and zero interior defense.

And for the fucking love of god, are they morphing into Mr. Magoo every time they attempt a long pass?
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This has been about the worst viewing experience ever. James hasn't been able to play because of some very soft calls and both teams have gone through stretches where they just didn't care.
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If LeBron wins this year he has to jump Hakeem (my 11) as well as Oscar.  Kobe might not be safe either.

Kobe might not be safe? LeBron would have three more MVPs, one more Finals MVP, all on top of being the statistically superior player. I get that Kobe has more longevity and team success, but come on!
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This has been about the worst viewing experience ever. James hasn't been able to play because of some very soft calls and both teams have gone through stretches where they just didn't care.

This game has at least been competitive as much as I've disliked the Heat's struggles. The Bulls' 96-54 beatdown of the Jazz in the '98 finals was nearly unwatchable.

Also, Bosh is straight skurred tonight. His shooting hesitance is identical to the little league nerd in the outfield repeatedly chanting under his breath "Please don't hit it to me."
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This has been about the worst viewing experience ever. James hasn't been able to play because of some very soft calls and both teams have gone through stretches where they just didn't care.

I think these last couple of minutes have compensated for that.
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I get that Kobe has more longevity and team success, but come on!

These things matter to me.  Also, it's not like I'm a Kobe fan.  I actually like LeBron more.
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Just looked at the box score.  LeBron James 24 minutes and five personal fouls?  What the fuck?  I guess LeBron was just really foul happy.  Good on the refs for calling the game right.  Because that's exactly what they do.  Night in and night out.  Consistently.  With no shenanigans whatsoever.
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Reap, you forgot the to color your post green  :lol
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Classic refs

I really liked this post.

Reap, you forgot the to color your post green  :lol

Tom Washington, one of the refs in this game, also reffed Clippers vs. Thunder game five.  I think he's done enough to prove his credibility.  I don't know what you're insinuating about my post.
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If LeBron wins this year he has to jump Hakeem (my 11) as well as Oscar.  Kobe might not be safe either.

Kobe might not be safe? LeBron would have three more MVPs, one more Finals MVP, all on top of being the statistically superior player. I get that Kobe has more longevity and team success, but come on!

Kobe is not a top 10 all time player.

Anybody read this?  A good deal of it is far-fetched, but Ibaka's sudden recovery was strange and completely unprecedented given the initial diagnosis.  Also it was posted on a Spurs website.  :lol  Still he makes a couple of interesting points.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/5/28/5756958/i-believe-sam-presti

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Anyone who thinks games are not called to get desired results is out of their mind.  Tonight was a classic example.  The NBA wanted a Game 6, and having LeBron on the bench for half of the game pretty much guaranteed that, even though the Pacers tried to give it away at the end.

And it showed again how stupid the concept of fouling out is.  In no other sport do you see the best player in that sport sitting for half of the game because of something as subjective as foul calls.  It's so stupid.

Also, LeBron is not already an all-time top 10 player, ReaP?  No freaking way.

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Anyone who thinks games are not called to get desired results is out of their mind.  Tonight was a classic example.  The NBA wanted a Game 6, and having LeBron on the bench for half of the game pretty much guaranteed that, even though the Pacers tried to give it away at the end.

And it showed again how stupid the concept of fouling out is.  In no other sport do you see the best player in that sport sitting for half of the game because of something as subjective as foul calls.  It's so stupid.

Also, LeBron is not already an all-time top 10 player, ReaP?  No freaking way.

It's really close.  I just couldn't get over the statistical absurdity and dominance of Robertson.

Also, I look at these things in terms of what players have done, rather than projecting things.  LeBron could retire the best player ever if his career goes right.  But if he retired now, to me the other guys on the list have just done more.
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Okay, but I didn't project either, otherwise I would have put James at number 2 or 3, which is where I think he will end up around.

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I'm so glad I didn't watch the Heat game tonight and instead fell asleep very early, for the sake of my walls.

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Glad I had to work last night was a terrible game from what I got to watch.

LeBron with 5 fouls in 3 quarters seems legit though. On top of that the Pacers still almost managed to lose if the refs don't take LeBron out of the game it's a 20+ point blow out :lol

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Anyone who thinks games are not called to get desired results is out of their mind.  Tonight was a classic example.  The NBA wanted a Game 6, and having LeBron on the bench for half of the game pretty much guaranteed that, even though the Pacers tried to give it away at the end.

And it showed again how stupid the concept of fouling out is.  In no other sport do you see the best player in that sport sitting for half of the game because of something as subjective as foul calls.  It's so stupid.

Also, LeBron is not already an all-time top 10 player, ReaP?  No freaking way.

I think it would have been in the NBA's best interest for the Heat to have wrapped it up last night and guarantee themselves a Finals berth. I do agree though that it was ridiculous watching the best player in 20 years sit the whole game because every 50/50 call didn't go his way.
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INB4 James lights the Pacers up light a Christmas tree tomorrow night.


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Wolves thinking of hiring Del Negro as their coach.

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I wish I had seen the Spurs vs. Thunder game.  I'm sure they did a lot of really smart, interesting things to turn the series back around.
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Like convincing the Thunder it isn't okay to chase defensive rebounds.
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I only watched a bit of the game, but it seemed like Ibaka wasn't quite as dominant as the last two games.
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It was a mix of the Thunder not being as intense as in the previous games and the Spurs going back to doing what they normally do and being more aggressive. Also for some reason Pop though having Bonner as a starter was a good idea and since they win the game maybe it was.
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The Pacers' season ends tonight! Man, I am a Lakers fan, ok? But this Pacers team is so unenjoyable to watch, annoying and immature; I am actually rooting for the Heat to finish them off. They don't deserve even making the Finals.  :tdwn
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The Spurs I guess went small ball the whole game so they always had four shooters on the floor.  But I hear they also ran actions to make sure the Thunder couldn't clog the paint without a kick out being available.  No matter how athletic the opposing D, if you create enough spacing they can't cover it all.

To me, this is why Pop's a genius.  How many coaches have coached a pound it low offense with two bigs and a D'Antoni style pace and space offense?
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If you played in the NBA in the 90s, now seems to be a fantastic time to cash that check.

Speaking of checks.... Donald Sterling has a pretty big fat one coming his way shortly. 
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The Spurs shot lights out last night, but I suspect the Thunder will still win tomorrow and force a Game 7.