Star Trek Into Darkness [ Spoilers ]

[chrisbDTM]

i absolutely loved this movie, i was thoroughly entertained.

also karl urban is bones. the casting in general is great

[Kotowboy]

i absolutely loved this movie, i was thoroughly entertained.

also karl urban is bones. the casting in general is great

Yeah Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto and Karl Urban are all pretty much perfect in their roles.

Greenwood was really good as Pike as well.


I love when Pine drops in a subtle Shatner-ism and you go " That IS Kirk. ".

[Dream Team]

I'm mixed on this one. Things happened way too fast, never really got a chance to breathe. It was like the whole movie was from one crisis to another, and before you knew it, the movie was over.

Pretty much how I felt. Not to beat a dead horse, but where is the sense of awe, the spirit of exploration of the unknown, the wonder of discovery? That is sorely missing in this reboot and the suits are just missing the point, opting instead for blowing things up as often as possible and having the most brutal fistfights without so much as a cracked knuckle  .

[King Postwhore]

Well they did end talking about a 5 year mission but lets be serious here.  The day to day operations is better as a story arc with a TV series.  Movies are better suited for action and condensed storylines.

[Kotowboy]

Imagine a 40 minute scene where they're warping to Kronos and Kirk is just walking around the Enterprise examining stuff.

[Dream Team]

Imagine a 40 minute scene where they're warping to Kronos and Kirk is just walking around the Enterprise examining stuff.

It could work with great actors and a great plot. I reference the middle section of The Avengers.

[Dublagent66]

The GF and I went to see this movie yesterday and it was sold out.    Either Memorial Day is a bad day to go to the movies or this movie is still doing very well after being out for over a week...or both.  Better luck next time I guess.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah it's been out for about 2 weeks and has made $260m so far.

I don't care if it's not HUGE - I just want it to be a hit. $400m or more please

[BlackInk]

Imagine a 40 minute scene where they're warping to Kronos and Kirk is just walking around the Enterprise examining stuff.

It could work with great actors and a great plot. I reference the middle section of The Avengers.

Avengers? Great actors? Yeah some of them, sure. Great plot? Not so much.

[jammindude]

Imagine a 40 minute scene where they're warping to Kronos and Kirk is just walking around the Enterprise examining stuff.

It could work with great actors and a great plot. I reference the middle section of The Avengers.

I disagree about The Avengers....

But what I *would* reference is Jaws.   That section where they are all getting drunk on the boat and the old sailor tells the story about delivering the bomb....one of the best scenes in the ENTIRE movie.    And I heard a rumor that it was added at the last minute to make up for the fact that the shark was broken SO OFTEN that they had to pad out the film with something else.    Without that scene, it's just another boring Jaws movie. 

[Dream Team]

Imagine a 40 minute scene where they're warping to Kronos and Kirk is just walking around the Enterprise examining stuff.

It could work with great actors and a great plot. I reference the middle section of The Avengers.

Avengers? Great actors? Yeah some of them, sure. Great plot? Not so much.

Regardless of your mysteriously low regard for Avengers, any movie can succeed with intriguing subject matter, dialogue and slow pacing if acted and directed well - and this CAN be successful in the sci-fi genre. Witness the first "Alien" movie with its glacial pace as just one example. But I suppose it's the dumbing-down of everything that is the cause - "The Wrath of Khan" could never be made today. "So you're saying the whole movie is a cat-and-mouse game between the protagonist and the antagonist, and they never actually meet and engage in an awesome fist fight? Next, please."

[Kotowboy]

Imagine if JJ made Star Trek The Motion Picture as his 3rd film.

Just relentlessly slow paced and thoughtful with a clever story about the Voyager probe being adopted by a machine race who soup it up to God levels then send it back to Earth to complete it's programming.

I need to see TMP again. I really like it despite the pace.

[Dream Team]

Imagine if JJ made Star Trek The Motion Picture as his 3rd film.

Just relentlessly slow paced and thoughtful with a clever story about the Voyager probe being adopted by a machine race who soup it up to God levels then send it back to Earth to complete it's programming.

I need to see TMP again. I really like it despite the pace.

  Well, I think there's a nice middle ground somewhere. For one thing, the quick camera-cuts and 1-second shots were not nearly as bad as I expected them to be in STID; so I think in that sense JJ is resisting the current action mentality. A totally original story with that sense of wonderment and discovery would be a nice 3rd entry.

[MetalJunkie]

Well they did end talking about a 5 year mission but lets be serious here.  The day to day operations is better as a story arc with a TV series.  Movies are better suited for action and condensed storylines.

I'm pumped about the 5 year mission. I expect them to be closer to being the well-oiled machine that they are in TOS by the time the next movie comes out.

Plus, unexplored space gives them the opportunity to run into some really messed up shit.

[Kotowboy]

Well they did end talking about a 5 year mission but lets be serious here.  The day to day operations is better as a story arc with a TV series.  Movies are better suited for action and condensed storylines.

I'm pumped about the 5 year mission. I expect them to be closer to being the well-oiled machine that they are in TOS by the time the next movie comes out.

Plus, unexplored space gives them the opportunity to run into some really messed up shit.

This. I want something like the new Chris Nolan film is supposed to be. Black Holes . Messed up physics etc.




My theory is they should call the film

" Where No One Has Gone Before " - stylized in the Star Trek font.

1.) It ties up with the first episode proper of Star Trek

2.) And it's the 50th anniversary of Trek and it's basically the show's catchphrase.

You don't have to do Gary Mitchell again but you could have an energy field in deep space that just fucks everything up.



If the 3rd film is as enjoyable as the previous two then it will be easily be the best run of Trek films ever.

[Dream Team]

Not even close. II through IV were much better, and I also prefer VI through VIII.

Vader: NNnoooooooooooooo!
Spock: KKHhaaaaannnnnnnn!

I winced at both. Also, when Quinto is acting emotional in every scene, how is his "big emotional scene" supposed to have an impact?

https://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Star_Trek_Into_Darkness_2013.aspx

[yorost]

VI-VIII is the best overall run of three, in my opinion. Easily.

[Kotowboy]

If Khan, Voyage and Country were all connected - that would be an amazing arc.

I think my favourite three film run is probably Country - Generations - Contact.

[BlobVanDam]

Yep, also gotta go with II-III-IV.
Even though III was a weaker movie (being one of the "odd" movies ), the overall arc of maintaining continuity and having consequences across movies, instead of just doing whatever they feel like and having everything perfect again the very next scene, made it a rewarding movie trio.

[Kotowboy]

Star Trek ( 2009 ) Made 385m in 5 months.

So far Star Trek Into Darkness has made almost 330m in just over 2 weeks !

Doing well !

[CrimsonSunrise]

Best movie of the franchise... thanks to Abrams, the writers, and cast for reviving it.

[Kotowboy]

I wouldn't go that far. I do love it but I don't think it's as good as the previous movie let alone Khan or Country.

Even watching it for the first time in the cinema I didn't get *quite* as fulfilled as Star Trek ( 2009 ).

I will have to watch it on DVD to see how I feel about it again

[CrimsonSunrise]

I would   First off, for me, is the older movies featuring TOS cast were not as fresh as the last 2 movies.    Now mind you, for perspective, I was watching TOS when it was about 5 years old, so I saw every ST movie new, in the theaters.   When the original movies came out, they were awesome, and still are fun to watch.  Never though, did they excite and entertain me as much as the last 2 movies have.  Are the original movies classics?  Sure.  Are they superior?  To me, not really.  Some of the things I like about the last two movies...  The sheer grittiness, which has always been lacking to me in both TV series and old movies.  Now, we have a look at a future that comes across as less cleaner and antiseptic .  For example, the engine room, specifically the warp core in this new movie.  Much more detailed and realistic looking.  I also thought they did a great job expanding on the Cities of the 23rd century.  London and Frisco were well detailed and portrayed.  As far as the battle and action sequences, sure you have to attribute some of it to advances in CGI and special effects since the last movies were made.  That being said, the battle sequences just kick ass!  Which can't be said for some other movies recently, +1 to Abrams.

As far as the "Cliche" moments with Spock, the tribbles, the Mudd and Gorn references, Abrams and the writers seem to make them work.  Especially with the alternate reality aspect being factored in.  Those scenes didn't elicit a facepalm from me...LOL.  So in that respect, they work well enough.

[Kotowboy]

  


Caved and am going again tonight. Then i'll wait for the DVD .

[Kotowboy]

One thing I really like about the last two Star Trek films is they don't have "cool" camera angles or people walking towards the camera in slow motion pouting or bullet time or people standing legs apart firing a gun in each hand wearing sunglasses etc etc etc.

Which has ben the MO for almost every action film since Matrix came out.

[Kotowboy]

4th time seeing it in the cinema this week.

It doesn't really depreciate the more times you see it.

I've pretty much enjoyed it the same amount each time.

Whilst it didn't give me the same feeling of Joy as the previous one and it didn't have the same level of emotion as Kirk's Birth scene -

- it's still a fantastic ride and deserves to be a big success.

[MetalJunkie]

I love when Pine drops in a subtle Shatner-ism and you go " That IS Kirk. ".

There is one small moment in the movie that made me have this exact reaction.

Spock says something along the lines of "I would be happy to assist you with etc." and Kirk says. "You. Happy?" Shatner had that line either in an earlier movie or in the TOS, and the delivery was nearly identical. Gave me chills.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah I can picture it but have no idea where it's from.


Also - Karl Urban IS Bones and Zach Quinto IS Spock.

I literally cannot imagine anyone else playing the big three apart from them.

John Cho is pretty good too and Anton Yelchin has his moments. Simon Pegg is Simon Pegg as SImon Pegg. That's what you get.

And Uhura is the female crew member

[BlobVanDam]

I really didn't feel Karl Urban as Bones in this one as much as the last one. That's not to say he was in any way bad, I just didn't feel he *was* Bones, as much as I bought Quinto as Spock, or Pine as Kirk. He was still good though. I felt Scotty excelled more as a character in this one, with Bones maybe next behind that.

That's not a complaint, just a comparison!

[MetalJunkie]

I think we just didn't see enough of Bones being a doctor for the role to click as quickly.

[Kotowboy]

Simon was better in this than the previous film but he's still the worst character.

In the TOS movies he was one of my favourite characters.

Plus Simon is receding a lot more than Jimmy was in 1966

Did the budget not stretch to toupees ?

[BlobVanDam]

https://www.startrek.com/article/star-treks-cybernetically-augmented-science-officer-joseph-gatt-part-1

So, it turns out that freaky dude on the bridge is an augmented human, and not an android. I am thrilled to hear that, because the idea of just casually throwing in an android long before the appearance of Data, who was supposed to be unique and special, kind of pissed me off. Like a lot in those movies though, it was just glossed over and not explained at all.

[chrisbDTM]

love this interview on youtube "Simon Pegg: The truth about Benedict Cumberbatch"
https://youtu.be/20v1OxUXcQY?t=2m57s

(ignore the interviewer)

[Kotowboy]

Just bumping to add that the film is currently on $412m after a mere 5 weeks.

Happy Kotowboy Is Happy.

I can see it making north of $450m by the end.

[JayOctavarium]

Finally saw it. It as good (borderline great)... I have a love hate thing for following the Khan story (and I find some of the blatant throwbacks kinda annoying..)





The thing that pisses me off though...  new Klingons...