Author Topic: Amorphis... blow? (Read 120416 times)

? · « **Reply #245 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:15:12 AM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 18, 2011, 11:37:32 AM

So the new Amorphis is amazing, just a little long. Drop "Reformation" and "Soothsayer" and it's perfect!

IMO Reformation is the best song without growls on the new album and Soothsayer is pretty awesome too. On a Stranded Shore is my least favorite.

wolfking · « **Reply #246 on:** June 19, 2011, 05:33:12 AM »

Got TBOT today, just starting to listen to it now. Very happy.

wolfking · « **Reply #247 on:** June 19, 2011, 05:47:55 AM »

So.....Mermaid is fucking amazing!

wolfking · « **Reply #248 on:** June 20, 2011, 06:10:04 PM »

After about 3 or 4 listens to the new album, I am quite happy with it. Not as memorable as Skyforger IMO but it's very good, and it's a real grower. Perhaps could have been cut down 2 or 3 tracks and it would have been perfect. The first six songs are amazing and there are a couple of good ones later on in the album too.

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #249 on:** June 20, 2011, 06:26:04 PM »

I don't get what people see in Skyforger that makes them like it more than Eclipse or Silent Waters. Not saying that's your case, wolfking - I just thought about it after reading your post.

wolfking · « **Reply #250 on:** June 20, 2011, 06:30:49 PM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 20, 2011, 06:26:04 PM

I don't get what people see in Skyforger that makes them like it more than Eclipse or Silent Waters. Not saying that's your case, wolfking - I just thought about it after reading your post.

I see what you're saying. It was my first Amorphis album, so I guess it's a little special. And saying that, after the hype of Eclipse and Silent Waters, perhaps I expected too much and for me, they both don't live up to Skyforger. I think seeing as I purchased Skyforger on a whim I had no expectations from it, and it really opened itself up to me. I still think it's better than Silent Waters and Eclipse.

Nick · « **Reply #251 on:** June 20, 2011, 06:45:17 PM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 20, 2011, 06:26:04 PM

I don't get what people see in Skyforger that makes them like it more than Eclipse or Silent Waters. Not saying that's your case, wolfking - I just thought about it after reading your post.

Well, it's a similar style, but executed better. Or at least that's how I see it.

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #252 on:** June 20, 2011, 07:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Nick on June 20, 2011, 06:45:17 PM

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 20, 2011, 06:26:04 PM
I don't get what people see in Skyforger that makes them like it more than Eclipse or Silent Waters. Not saying that's your case, wolfking - I just thought about it after reading your post.

Well, it's a similar style, but executed better. Or at least that's how I see it.

Nick, I love you, but all this says to me is, "Well, it's a similar style, but without growls."

Sorry my brain is such a douchebag.

? · « **Reply #253 on:** June 21, 2011, 12:35:05 AM »

I think Skyforger is the first Joutsen-era album not to feature a single filler song. (This continues on The Beginning of Times) On Eclipse there were a few fillers and on Silent Waters the less interesting song is Black River. Skyforger was also the first Amorphis album I bought right when it was released. It's also more diverse than Eclipse and Silent Waters; there are more growls (not as notably as on TBOT, though), but also more super-catchy songs with hit potential. Speaking of hits: Silver Bride was voted as the radio hit of the year 2009 in Finland!

wolfking · « **Reply #254 on:** June 21, 2011, 05:23:48 AM »

Yeah, I think that's it, Skyforger simply has no filler, while the other two do. Silver Bride should have been a big hit, tremendous song.

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #255 on:** June 21, 2011, 02:07:43 PM »

You guys are killing me right now. Skyforger has so much filler! Eclipse and Silent Waters have none!

wolfking · « **Reply #256 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:30:24 PM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 21, 2011, 02:07:43 PM

You guys are killing me right now. Skyforger has so much filler! Eclipse and Silent Waters have none!

Really? What do you consider to be filler on Skyforger?

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #257 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:53:40 PM »

Looking back on it, I'm not sure the number of filler songs is my problem with Skyforger. My problem* with it is that it only has three killers, compared to Eclipse and Silent Waters which each have at least six.

* Take "problem" for what you will. I think Skyforger is a really good album.

wolfking · « **Reply #258 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:54:51 PM »

Fair enough, but I disagree, most songs are absolutely killer IMO.

Nick · « **Reply #259 on:** June 21, 2011, 05:10:42 PM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 20, 2011, 07:30:45 PM

Quote from: Nick on June 20, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 20, 2011, 06:26:04 PM
I don't get what people see in Skyforger that makes them like it more than Eclipse or Silent Waters. Not saying that's your case, wolfking - I just thought about it after reading your post.

Well, it's a similar style, but executed better. Or at least that's how I see it.

Nick, I love you, but all this says to me is, "Well, it's a similar style, but without growls."

Sorry my brain is such a douchebag.

Don't get me wrong, the fact that Skyforger has fewer growls is very much appreciated by me, and I think they had a perfect amount of growls on that album, but in general I just think the album is also better than the previous two, which I also love.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #260 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:51:42 PM »

"Towards and Against" is my new favorite Amorphis song

? · « **Reply #261 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:08:07 AM »

Skyforger has less growls? wat

Let's see which songs contain growls...

Eclipse
Leaves Scar
Perkele
The Smoke
Brother Moon

Silent Waters
Weaving the Incantation
A Servant
Towards & Against
The White Swan
(Sign)

Skyforger
Sampo
Silver Bride
Majestic Beast
Skyforger
From Earth I Rose
(Godlike Machine)
(Separated)

The Beginning of Times
Battle for Light
My Enemy
Song of the Sage
Three Words
Soothsayer
Escape
Crack in a Stone
Beginning of Time

Skyforger has 5 songs with growls (plus the bonus tracks), whereas Eclipse and Silent Waters have 4. Actually Highest Star has some growls too, but they are covered by the clean backing vocals. I think the growls are featured in less obvious parts: when I first heard Silver Bride, I was surprised to hear the growling in the end. The strong melodic elements also make Skyforger feel like a softer album than the previous 2, although it isn't.

Nick · « **Reply #262 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:09:21 AM »

While your investigation work is truly impressive, I'd say it fails to take in account how much growling there actually is per song.

? · « **Reply #263 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:11:42 AM »

Quote from: Nick on June 22, 2011, 01:09:21 AM

While your investigation work is truly impressive, I'd say it fails to take in account how much growling there actually is per song.

Hmm... I'd better let someone else do that!

Nick · « **Reply #264 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:17:20 AM »

Just in passing, if memory serves, aside from Majestic Beast is there really any other song dominated by growling on Skyforger? On the other albums it just seemed that more songs were heavily laced with growls.

? · « **Reply #265 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:25:09 AM »

Yeah, you're actually right. But I must add: half of the vocals on From Earth I Rose are growled. Also, both Eclipse and Silent Waters had only one song with more growls than cleans too (Perkele and A Servant), so I would say that Skyforger has more growling or at least the same amount.

wolfking · « **Reply #266 on:** June 22, 2011, 05:22:32 AM »

I'm guessing Seperated another bonus track? I have the digi with Godlike Machine, but haven't heard Seperated. Any good?

skydivingninja · « **Reply #267 on:** June 22, 2011, 06:53:52 AM »

So glad I bought Skyforger on iTunes because Godlike Machine is great.

? · « **Reply #268 on:** June 22, 2011, 07:13:53 AM »

Quote from: wolfking on June 22, 2011, 05:22:32 AM

I'm guessing Seperated another bonus track? I have the digi with Godlike Machine, but haven't heard Seperated. Any good?

Separated is the B-side of Silver Bride single and the Japanese bonus track of Skyforger. It can probably be heard on Youtube. Great song, wish it was on the album instead of Highest Star! The only thing I would change is the guitar noise at the end, I have never liked those (that's why I prefer the edited version of Misunderstood to the full version).

Dr. DTVT · « **Reply #269 on:** June 22, 2011, 08:35:40 AM »

My physical copy had Godlike Machine, and like SDN said, its great.

BTW, I know who you are ? You're Guy Incognito!

? · « **Reply #270 on:** June 22, 2011, 08:56:23 AM »

Quote from: DTVT on June 22, 2011, 08:35:40 AM

BTW, I know who you are ? You're Guy Incognito!

Sig'd!

ariich · « **Reply #271 on:** June 22, 2011, 02:29:45 PM »

I agree with TOX, I find Eclipse and SW to easily be their strongest albums, but the others are still fantastic as well.

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #272 on:** June 22, 2011, 03:59:46 PM »

My album rankings:

1. Elegy - 10
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2. Tuonela - 9
3. Eclipse - 9
3. Silent Waters - 9
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5. Am Universum - 8
6. Tales from the Thousand Lakes - 8
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7. Skyforger - 7.5
8. The Beginning of Times - 7
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9. Far from the Sun - 6
10. The Karelian Isthmus - 4

ariich · « **Reply #273 on:** June 22, 2011, 04:10:52 PM »

1. Silent Waters
2. Eclipse
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3. The Beginning of Times
4. Skyforger
5. Am Universum
6. Elegy
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7. Tuonela
8. Tales From the Thousand Lakes
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9. Far From the Sun
10. The Karelian Isthmus

Those last two are the only ones that I really just don't care for at all. The rest all range from really solid to outright incredible.

gazinwales · « **Reply #274 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:09:33 PM »

You guys should check out Barren Earth, has two former Amorphis members and is one of the best albums I have in the last few years.
https://www.myspace.com/officialbarrenearth

? · « **Reply #275 on:** June 25, 2011, 11:46:15 AM »

Quote from: gazinwales on June 24, 2011, 05:09:33 PM

You guys should check out Barren Earth, has two former Amorphis members and is one of the best albums I have in the last few years.
https://www.myspace.com/officialbarrenearth

I recommend them too!

Looking forward to their second album...

I also recommend Kingston Wall, a great prog/psychedelic rock band which has highly influenced Amorphis.

? · « **Reply #276 on:** June 29, 2011, 05:41:59 AM »

If anyone is interested, Santeri Kallio and Tomi Koivusaari have a side project called Verenpisara. It's like Amorphis but less metal; Santeri composes all the songs and the lyrics are written by their vocalist, poet Rami Raski. I REALLY doubt you'll understand the lyrics since they are in Finnish (hell, even I have a hard time understanding some metaphors, despite being a Finn!), but the music itself is very kick-ass!

They have released 4 albums but I don't think those have been released outside of Finland.

Suunta
Eilinen on kuollut
Aamuisin kun sataa
Sinun tyyneytesi vie voiton kaikesta

Don't forget to vote in the Amorphis survivor: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24392.0

? · « **Reply #277 on:** August 15, 2011, 09:08:08 AM »

Just to remind everyone who doesn't visit the Polls/Survivors regularly: the first round of the finals in Amorphis survivor has been posted! The link is in my signature.

? · « **Reply #278 on:** August 30, 2011, 07:58:34 AM »

The first live video of Mermaid! (sorry for triple-post, but there hasn't been a short gap between these posts)

Dark Castle · « **Reply #279 on:** August 30, 2011, 09:25:27 AM »

Quote from: j on May 02, 2009, 12:42:34 AM

Just kidding, they're awesome. One of my favorite bands right now, and they continue to grow on me.

-J

Dude....you seriously have no idea the rant I was about to unleash upon you lol

News: Untethered Angel official video: https://youtu.be/gylxuO6dKOw

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