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Of course you did, brown noser.
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I have at least slight expectations for the true QR release. While I fully expect to not even listen to the Taint. I'm just gonna refer to the Tate-QR as Taint from now on. Kthanks.

I see it like this: With QR, I expect to get a cake. While that cake may not be as delectable and delicious as I expected when I first laid eyes on it whilst my tummy was rumbling; I take that first bite and think to myself, "Well, it wasn't as incredible as I thought it'd be, but it's still pretty damn good!" My expectations are going to be too high anyway, no matter what, just because I'm so starved for anything QR that isn't destroyed by Tate; but if I expect that, then maybe I'll enjoy it anyway.

On the other end, we have Taint, which to me, looking at it, is a steaming pile of shit. Why would I want to eat shit? I'm starving, and there's nothing else in sight in this wasteland that is called Taintland. So, reluctantly, I take a bite of this shit. Then I die. My expectations were right, and yet it still managed to be worse than I had expected.

I'm not too great on metaphors... I don't think I'll be disappointed in this QR release..and there's no way I'll be expecting anything except shit from Taint, so while they may have the upper hand in that area, I really think it's impossible for them to deny my expectations by succeeding them. Failing them? That is entirely possible. But hey! Maybe shit isn't so bad... I'm not sure. I don't live in Taintland anymore. Place sucks.

(I haven't had my coffee yet)

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As far as the Tate album, I honestly don't care if it is good music.  I'm just not interested.  To use an analogy I made elsewhere, if I'm buying a car, and Company A and Company B both put out some pretty sweet cars that may both potentially meet my needs and have a lot of bells and whistles I like, that's cool if all other things are equal. But let's assume they aren't equal. Instead, let's assume:
 -Company B's owner physically attacked and sucker punched the owner of company A, who is a much smaller man who doesn't fight, and Company B's owner likes to constantly brag about that fact and how Company A's owner is just a "p*ssy" if he's not willing to go toe to toe and defend himself.
 -Company B's owner also took a swing at and spit at other Company A employees, and continued to spit on them during a live trade show where they were engaged with an audience and the Company A employees couldn't do anything about it without stopping and ruining the show for the customers who had paid to see it. And assume this is all caught on video and that, again, Company B's owner doesn't deny it and actually brags about it.
 -Company B's owner sees nothing wrong with berating groups of customers who don't act as enthusiastically as he likes, and tells them they suck.
 -Company B's owner likes to go on the air and call customers "p*ssies" if they don't like what he is selling.
 
Sorry, but in those circumstances, I don't see competition as a good thing. Frankly, no matter how good a product Company B puts out, I'm just not interested in what they are selling. That's not taking sides. That's just having some self-respect as a consumer.
 
IMO, there a perfectly reasoned and mature reason to refuse to support what Tate is doing for reasons other than just "picking sides." When you assault, threaten, and spit on your band mates, and publicly brag about it at every opportunity... When you repeatedly insult your fans... When you repeatedly try to sabotage the efforts of the very people you built your career with in the first place and then play the victim... Sorry, but I'm not interested in getting behind that whether you have a worthwhile product to sell me or not.  Will I give it one or two listens on YouTube or if I find it in the used bin just to satisfy my curiousity?  Yeah, probably.  But even if it's good music, there are too many reasons to not support it.
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I still say they should´ve gone with a singer who doesn´t sound like a Tate-clone. 

Dammit...wrong thread... :facepalm:
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I get the fact that it will be a collaborative effort for the first time in nearly 20 years, but consider DeGarmo was the main writer back then, and he isn't there anymore, having the guys still there all writing together now is like having the sides and garnishes on a dinner plate that is still missing the main dish.  It's like, yeah, those extras are necessary to the overall meal, but you still need that main dish to bring it all together.  DeGarmo was that main dish, and he is no longer there.  And the remaining guys have little track record of strong, consistent songwriting sans DeGarmo and even Tate, so until I see it, my expectations will remain very low.

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I can't completely disagree with you, but I think classifying DeGarmo as the "main dish" is overstating it just a bit.  Not much, but a little.  The Tribe sessions, the few tracks where the other guys contributed (Hostage, The Hands, Murderer?, for example), and the Mosh Pit Demos by Whip and Scott proved to my ears that these guys have a lot of Queensryche in the tank that Tate was squelching.  We'll see...
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Yep, we won't know till we hear what they come up with. The good news for me is, my expectations are so low that if they do anything good, they will have exceeded them. :biggrin:

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My expectations are.....


um....




Has anyone seen KNH's expectations?




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Yes.  It was posted in the Queensryche thread, and is probably more appropriately discussed there:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35997.msg1525726#msg1525726
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Most of my favourite QR songs are Wilton songs. He was my favourite over CDG as a guitarist. I have hopes that all will be well.
Tate and his "team" have been responsible for killing QR for me. I haven't bought a QR album since MCII.

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Crap, I mixed up the QR threads, my bad.  :facepalm:

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 :laugh: And here we have the stupidity of keeping two bands with the same name and different line-ups in action, right here for us to see! Beautiful.  :yeahright

Crazy shit. I'm sure people who are new to this whole ordeal or new to QR in general are absolutely lost. Long-time fans get it mixed up, I feel sorry for anyone new on board.

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That's why I think the judge that allowed both sides to keep the name was full of shit. The market can't sort it out as easily as they seem to think it can.
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Sorry, but in those circumstances, I don't see competition as a good thing. Frankly, no matter how good a product Company B puts out, I'm just not interested in what they are selling. That's not taking sides. That's just having some self-respect as a consumer.

I think that you summed up everything that needs to be said (from my view, anyways) in this one sentence alone.
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 :facepalm:


 :sadpanda:

It's sad to know that there's no way this cannot affect QR. Hopefully it'll just bring them more publicity, but I'm not too sure... It's such a fuckin' mess.

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That's why I think the judge that allowed both sides to keep the name was full of shit. The market can't sort it out as easily as they seem to think it can.


It's my understanding that this is a temporary situation.  In the Eddie Trunk interview, Scott indicated that the situation should be resolved by November, when, if they haven't already come to an agreement, they'll fight it out in court.  As I understand it, the judge in the earlier hearing didn't say that they could both use the name indefinitely, just that he didn't see a need for an injunction blocking one of the parties from using the name prior to the actual court date coming up.


Edit:  That's from memory, so I may have gotten some details wrong.

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Close enough, yeah.
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This is so very glorious... :lol
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Has this ever happened with another band?

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what a cluster . . .
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This is so ridiculous, it's surreal. Seems like something you'd see on reality TV. :lolpalm:

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Yeah, and there's an Aussie band not many would know about called the Angels, which has two versions of the same band.
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Just saw this



And this on Metalsucks, had a good laugh
LOLgoroth  pigchop • 4 hours ago −
brb printing this and replacing the actual CD cover, so that I can have Totes to sign it.
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I still think the cover should have a flying lougie on it somewhere.
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He comes off like some kid who was just kicked out of a game on the playground.

"You can't kick me out! I'll... I'll just start my own version of the band! And I'll use people who are much better than you! Much more hardcore! What?! You're releasing an album this year?! Well, I'll, um... I'll release a better album! Before you! And it'll be all hardcore! It'll be called Frequency Unknown, and the cover will be this awesome fist punching at you and it'll wear rings that say FU. Like the name of the album but it also means FUCK YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME AND DRINKING MY WINE! Cuz that's how they do it on youTUUUBE on youTUUUUBBE!!!"  :censored
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Wait, did I not make up Taint!? I just randomly decided to call it that. I mean, I didn't add the 'ryche', but dag nab it!  :lol I guess it is a pretty obvious thing to jump to.

That's awesome. And yes to the loogie.

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I think this also happened with the comedian Gallagher.

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He comes off like some kid who was just kicked out of a game on the playground.

"You can't kick me out! I'll... I'll just start my own version of the band! And I'll use people who are much better than you! Much more hardcore! What?! You're releasing an album this year?! Well, I'll, um... I'll release a better album! Before you! And it'll be all hardcore! It'll be called Frequency Unknown, and the cover will be this awesome fist punching at you and it'll wear rings that say FU. Like the name of the album but it also means FUCK YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME AND DRINKING MY WINE! Cuz that's how they do it on youTUUUBE on youTUUUUBBE!!!"  :censored

Nice touch there at the end.
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It's the only memorable part of the album.  :lol
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I think this also happened with the comedian Gallagher.
Yeah, he gave his brother (who looks just like him) the rights to the material, but on the condition that he makes it clear he's not the original. That didn't last long, and the original had to sue for an injunction against his brother.

That apparently included bearing a resemblance, which might actually mean there's a court order dictating the style of mustache the man can wear.  :lol
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