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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2019, 09:32:43 AM »
John Elway is officially senile. :facepalm:

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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2019, 09:46:10 AM »
John Elway is officially senile. :facepalm:

Is this trying to go to the well too many times?  "Hey, I won two Super Bowls at the twilight of my career, we won one with Peyton on his last leg, let's go for three!!!"

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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2019, 09:51:04 AM »
https://sports.yahoo.com/dak-prescott-cites-gisele-bundchen-reason-not-give-cowboys-tom-brady-discount-010836103.html

Not sure what to make of this.   Gut says, I don't like it, for several reasons (none of which have anything to do with throwing shade at "my boy Tom").   

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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2019, 10:02:01 AM »
While I don't begrudge guys wanting to get paid, quarterbacks who insist on their team breaking the bank to sign them care more about getting paid than winning.  If your QB makes a zillion dollars, good luck keeping them surrounded with enough talent to win consistently. 

Also, I agree with what Cowherd said about this the other day. There are two things you don't talk about when it comes to other players: their wives and their money.  And Prescott talked about both. :facepalm:

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2019, 10:41:31 AM »
John Elway is officially senile. :facepalm:

If he thinks that, without improving the offensive line, Flacco is a significant upgrade over Keenum, he sure is.


https://sports.yahoo.com/dak-prescott-cites-gisele-bundchen-reason-not-give-cowboys-tom-brady-discount-010836103.html

Not sure what to make of this.   Gut says, I don't like it, for several reasons (none of which have anything to do with throwing shade at "my boy Tom").   

Aside from the whole maximize your salary versus improve your team debate, that is a phenomenally dumbass thing to say.

Also, over the past 10 seasons, a team with a top 5 highest paid quarterback (based on salary cap value) was more likely to miss the playoffs than make the playoffs (21 of 50 made the playoffs).  Of the 21, 14 were named Brady, Manning, Brees or Roethlisberger.  Not once during that time did the highest paid QB win the Super Bowl, and only once (Peyton Manning in SB44) did the highest QB even make it to the Super Bowl.

Source:  www.overthecap.com
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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2019, 10:45:10 AM »
While I don't begrudge guys wanting to get paid, quarterbacks who insist on their team breaking the bank to sign them care more about getting paid than winning.  If your QB makes a zillion dollars, good luck keeping them surrounded with enough talent to win consistently. 
Yup. I got into an argument with my commie brother, a Saints fan, about this a few years ago. "Drew Brees should squeeze every fucking cent he can out of the Benson's!" Well, he kind of is. He's making more than 20 million a year. ""How is he supposed to throw the ball if he doesn't have any time because his line sucks!" Well, yeah. Good question.  :lol All of this because I suggested he should take a cap friendly deal when he was being a hardass.

And Dak should worry about his own contract. He needs to step it up if he wants to make the money he thinks he should.
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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2019, 10:59:59 AM »


And Dak should worry about his own contract. He needs to step it up if he wants to make the money he thinks he should.

Given the man crush Jerry Jones has on him, he probably figures he's gonna get paid no matter what.  And he's probably right.

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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2019, 11:51:16 AM »


And Dak should worry about his own contract. He needs to step it up if he wants to make the money he thinks he should.

Given the man crush Jerry Jones has on him, he probably figures he's gonna get paid no matter what.  And he's probably right.

Which is why we won't have to worry about Dallas playing too deep into the winter any time soon. 

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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2019, 02:07:48 PM »
Dak is an odd one in that he looks shaky at times, and rarely plays a great full 60 minutes, but give him the ball at the end with the game on the line and he just finds a way to make plays.

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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2019, 04:11:10 PM »
I had imagined Flacco just being cut and calling it a day , son of a gun Denver huh. I wish him the best I suppose , he sure can throw when he is motivated.

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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2019, 10:20:43 PM »
Do you think Denver remembers this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeL1D8vMiI

We saw the kid as a junior as a Blue Hen when my stepdaughter attended Delaware.  Took them to the 1AA title game, beat Navy, ...stunned and quite happy when the Ravens drafted him.  We have tons of good, tons of not so good, and, well....if him and his agent would have taken a smaller salary while dissing on the pretext of 'I just want to win' BS, Baltimore would have fared much better under his contract.

That said, we loved the guy, overlooked his flaws because he WAS a winner.  I mentioned months ago that it was time to move on.  Don't care to discuss or debate the 'elite' crap (because he wasn't).  But he was the best this town had seen since Bert Jones and that guy with the crew cut that came before him.

I had surgery a few months before this play, jumped higher than I had in years and reinjured myself.  Oh, the sweet agony!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRYZOuXHrA

I just replayed the winning kick in that game.....and this old man jumped out of his chair and got tears in his eyes again.  Equals the Detroit Tigers winning the WS in 68 and 84, Magic and Kelser and Jud winning the NCAA in '79, certain Central Michigan wins, and wins by Bo over Woody, along with the Ravens win over the Pats and then the SB (plus all those wins after agonizing losses against the Steelers during Joe's years).  I never came close to having those moments as a Lions fan in Michigan.  Probably won't again due to 'stuff'. But, damn, what a weird ride.

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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2019, 11:11:20 AM »
Do you think Denver remembers this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeL1D8vMiI


 >:( >:( >:(


Absolutely abysmal defense on that play.  I was screaming "NO!!!!!!"
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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2019, 01:15:40 PM »
I just know what play it is and refuse to watch. 

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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2019, 01:34:00 PM »


And Dak should worry about his own contract. He needs to step it up if he wants to make the money he thinks he should.

Given the man crush Jerry Jones has on him, he probably figures he's gonna get paid no matter what.  And he's probably right.

Which is why we won't have to worry about Dallas playing too deep into the winter any time soon.

Same thing happened with Tony Romo.  JJ paid him too much too soon.  It's the kiss of death.
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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2019, 02:54:09 PM »
Any thoughts on the NFL and Kaepernick/Reid settlement? 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26004808/everything-know-nfl-joint-collusion-grievance-settlement-colin-kaepernick-eric-reid

Not sure what to think personally.  Part of me says if he really felt like he was standing for something against the NFL, he wouldn't settle, but without knowing details, it's really hard to come to that conclusion.  Also, I can't blame someone for taking a huge paycheck from the NFL to just go away even if trying to stand for something.  Money talks.  I'm also assuming they got paid, I think that seems likely but can't even say that for sure.

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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2019, 03:09:08 PM »
Oh they got paid alright. Though we'll never learn the amount due to NDAs I bet.

I know the NFL, and the 32 teams are not businesses in the traditonal sense, as they have Anti-Trust Exemptions and other aspects that keep them from being Amazon, or the Mom and Pop grocery store down the street. On the surface I feel like a business should be free to hire, or not hire, whomever they want. I know there are EEOC issues, but I don't think being a SJW qualifies as a "Protected Class." If an owner decides not to hire someone that they feel would be bad for their business, I can't fully oppose that line of thinking. If they'd rather have a crap QB who isn't going to potentially negatively affect ticket sale, that is their right. No one is entitled to a job in the NFL.
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Re: 2019 NFL Thread
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2019, 03:59:11 PM »
Any thoughts on the NFL and Kaepernick/Reid settlement? 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26004808/everything-know-nfl-joint-collusion-grievance-settlement-colin-kaepernick-eric-reid

Not sure what to think personally.  Part of me says if he really felt like he was standing for something against the NFL, he wouldn't settle, but without knowing details, it's really hard to come to that conclusion.  Also, I can't blame someone for taking a huge paycheck from the NFL to just go away even if trying to stand for something.  Money talks.  I'm also assuming they got paid, I think that seems likely but can't even say that for sure.

Yeah, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  It may very well just have been about the money.  But we don't know.  To play devil's advocate, here's another scenario:  Kaep has a lousy case that he would probably lose, and he and his representation know that. So rather than the risk to his "cause" about taking a public loss, he (and the NFL) gets to save face by settling and walking away. Even though he can't discuss the details, he is still in control of the narrative instead of the narrative being "Kaepernick lost."

I know there are EEOC issues, but I don't think being a SJW qualifies as a "Protected Class."

Well, no, but protesting a civil right is a "protected activity" that an employee cannot be retaliated against because of.  And there are arguably collective bargaining rights that could be violated by league-wide collusion as well.  That doesn't mean his rights to do what he wants on "company time" cannot be restricted.  But this is a very different set of facts, and there are a lot of competing interests at play.
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