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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8225 on: May 15, 2018, 08:42:03 AM »
Yeah, so we can hear "conscience fading" in like a dozen more songs.

Can't be much worse than reaching the water's edge every single album.

 ;D

I could only think of TMOLS, does it appear on other songs?  :huh:

EDIT: Okay, OTBOA has it :lol
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8226 on: May 15, 2018, 10:18:12 AM »
Here's a controversial opinion...

DT are better live than in studio.

I've gone around and around with friends about this. It's not necessarily my opinion, but it's an opinion that sparks a lot of discussion.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8227 on: May 15, 2018, 10:27:08 AM »
Depends on what you mean by "better."  It just depends on your criteria and what you are looking for.  I think you can make the argument either way.
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« Reply #8228 on: May 15, 2018, 10:46:43 AM »
I've heard the criteria for the "DT is better live" camp. It comes down to this. Musically, the band is able to duplicate what's on the record. As a result, they enjoy the live audio better than the studio audio because there's a distinct sound of the band in a live concert.

I point out that MP used to change/not play certain fills in songs. Mangini will change some things here and there. Rudess changes keyboard leads on pre-Rudess material. LaBrie will sing a line differently and I'm sure JP and JMX change some things up too. I call it artistic liberty. So it's not an exact duplication. I will say that most of what they play is exact and it's spot on.

Enjoying a live experience is better than playing an album in your car or at home on a stereo. Maybe that's why some say DT is a better live band.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8229 on: May 15, 2018, 10:47:17 AM »
James sounds like a wounded dog badly live so I strongly disagree with them being better live but to each their own.

edit: bosky quoted me so editing it out doesn't do much good, so put me in the pillory, my friends :neverusethis:
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8230 on: May 15, 2018, 10:49:19 AM »
James sounds like a wounded dog live so I strongly disagree with them being better live but to each their own.

And that type of comment is uncalled for. 
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8231 on: May 15, 2018, 10:50:51 AM »
James sounds like a wounded dog live so I strongly disagree with them being better live but to each their own.

And that type of comment is uncalled for.

Is it? It's an opinion. He sounds very bad live. There. Better? Three people agreed with me last night when I said he sounded very bad, so it's not an uncommon opinion. I love James, I love DT. He isn't good live, particularly when he is forced to sing older material. They should drop most of the old stuff for his benefit.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8232 on: May 15, 2018, 10:54:06 AM »
Opinion is fine, provided it is "constructive," as it says in the forum rules.  Just keep it respectful, as your latest post was more in line with.  Namecalling and offensive comparisons are not respectful or constructive.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8233 on: May 15, 2018, 10:56:11 AM »
Still, it's accurate. Chaos In Motion is painful to listen to, and that was 10 years ago. Maybe this is why... oh wait we can't talk about it yet.  :lol

Seriously, if they actually played less old material, James would fare so much better live. The IW&B tour was a good idea in theory and I'm glad I saw the music played live but it was very hard to listen to James sing most of the night. But, I have long advocated for less metal from DT, mostly because it doesn't do his voice any favors... that kind of ball-crunching high stuff is a young man's game. Rabble rabble, that's my two cents, carry on, etc.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8234 on: May 15, 2018, 11:25:50 AM »
Still, it's accurate. Chaos In Motion is painful to listen to, and that was 10 years ago. Maybe this is why... oh wait we can't talk about it yet.  :lol


I don't understand this opinion - and I have heard it before and always think this. I love listening to CIM. I listen when I bike ride or run, so there are no distractions and every time I think, wow, James really sounds good.

And, I seem to choose listening to the live material more than studio. I enjoy both.

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« Reply #8235 on: May 15, 2018, 11:45:32 AM »
Still, it's accurate. Chaos In Motion is painful to listen to, and that was 10 years ago. Maybe this is why... oh wait we can't talk about it yet.  :lol

Seriously, if they actually played less old material, James would fare so much better live. The IW&B tour was a good idea in theory and I'm glad I saw the music played live but it was very hard to listen to James sing most of the night. But, I have long advocated for less metal from DT, mostly because it doesn't do his voice any favors... that kind of ball-crunching high stuff is a young man's game. Rabble rabble, that's my two cents, carry on, etc.

Yup, it was pretty much painful for me as a DT fan to watch James on that tour. Barely hit a note. It was weird because I swear he did far better on the TA and DT12 tours. He pretty much nailed the Awake stuff in 2014 if I remember correctly.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8236 on: May 15, 2018, 12:28:13 PM »
Yeah, so we can hear "conscience fading" in like a dozen more songs.

Can't be much worse than reaching the water's edge every single album.

 ;D

I could only think of TMOLS, does it appear on other songs?  :huh:

EDIT: Okay, OTBOA has it :lol

The Bigger Picture too :facepalm:
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8237 on: May 15, 2018, 12:30:49 PM »
Take away my pain is their worst song.

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actually, fuck it, bottom 5:
#1. Take Away My Pain
#2. 2 Far
#3. Hollow Years
#4. Anna Lee
#5. Outcry

...i really don't like FII  :\

I don't know that I could come up with a bottom 5, but I can pick my least favorite on each album:

WDADU:  TOWHtStS
I&W:  Under a Glass Moon
Awake:  The Mirror or Lie
FII:  Hard to pick a least favorite because it's one of my least favorite albums, and I don't listen to it much, but I'll go with You Not Me (although I think You or Me is worse)
SFAM:  Hard to pick a least favorite because just about everything is great, but I'll to with The Spirit Carries On
6DOIT:  The Great Debate
TOT:  Either of the Portnoy songs
8VA:  I Walk Beside You or Never Enough
SC:  Repentance
BC&SL:  The Best of Times
ADTOE:  BMUBMD or This Is the Life
DT12:  It will be one of The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil or Surrender to Reason (simply by process of elimination)
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8238 on: May 15, 2018, 03:36:55 PM »
When Dream and Day Unite: Anything besides Ytse Jam
Images & Words: Another Day.
Awake: Voices.
Falling Into Infinity: You Not Me
Scenes from a Memory: Through My Words or Home.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: Losing Time/Grand Finale (mostly because of that ridiculous fade out, would be The Great Debate otherwise)
Train of Thought: Honor Thy Father
Octavarium: Probably Never Enough
Systematic Chaos: Repentance
Black Clouds & Silver Linings: Probably A Rite of Passage.
A Dramatic Turn of Events: Beneath the Surface
Dream Theater: The Looking Glass (now there's an unpopular opinion)
The Astonishing: Losing Faythe

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8239 on: May 15, 2018, 06:36:18 PM »
It's difficult for certain albums where I love every song  :lol

When Dream and Day Unite: A Fortune In Lies
Images & Words: Surrounded
Awake: Innocence Faded
Falling Into Infinity: Lines In The Sand
Scenes from a Memory: Through Her Eyes
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: The Glass Prison
Train of Thought: Vacant
Octavarium: Sacrificed Sons
Systematic Chaos: Repentance
Black Clouds & Silver Linings: Wither
A Dramatic Turn of Events: Outcry
Dream Theater: The Enemy Inside
The Astonishing: Brother, Can You Hear Me?
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8240 on: May 15, 2018, 06:52:42 PM »
Eh, why not

WD&DU: The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
I&W: no
Awake: Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
FII: Take Away My Pain
SFAM: One Last Time (not counting interludes)
6DOIT: The Test That Stumped Them All
TOT: Honor Thy Father
Octavarium: I Walk Beside You
SC: Repentance
BC&SL: The Best Of Times (this one was really tough actually)
ADTOE: Outcry
DT12: Along For The Ride
TA: Losing Faythe (not counting interludes) (changed this one because I only just remembered this song existed :lol)
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8241 on: May 15, 2018, 08:21:03 PM »
It looks like Repentance is the most hated SC song so far :lol Honestly, I like it much more than Prophets of War.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8242 on: May 15, 2018, 08:33:26 PM »
It looks like Repentance is the most hated SC song so far :lol Honestly, I like it much more than Prophets of War.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8243 on: May 15, 2018, 09:06:56 PM »
Least favorite from each:

Status Seeker (solid tune with some cool things going on)
Under a Glass Moon (great song from an all-time great record)
Lie (great song from their best album)
You Not Me (one of the few DT songs with more bad than good)
The Dance of Eternity (too mathematical and doesn't fit on the album)
The Great Debate (not good enough to support its length)
Honor Thy Father (this one has not aged well for me)
Never Enough (awful lyrics drag it down)
Constant Motion (great riff and guitar solo, icky everything else)
A Rite of Passage (not bad, just kind of bland)
On the Backs of Angels (decent song, but vocal melodies are lacking)
Along for the Ride (enjoyable song)
Losing Faythe (love the end, but the first 2/3 of the song seems too rehashed)

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8244 on: May 15, 2018, 09:16:16 PM »
Alright I'm down for this:

Status Seeker (This was a tough one actually as I think all of WDADU songs are pretty good and even quality)
Surrounded (Don't really care for the keyboard patches used on this song)
Lie (I'm surprised but I think this song aged the worst, the solo is great though)
Just Let Me Breathe (Really closely tied with New Millennium)
The Spirit Carries On (Never cared for this song, however I'm a bit jaded because I'm also really tired of seeing it live)
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (Cheating a bit here but I think the second disc is overall weak)
Vacant (It's a good break in ToT but not a strong song on it's own)
I Walk Beside You (meh)
Prophets of War (This song has really grown on me but I still feel it's the weakest on SC)
On The Backs of Angels (it's a good song that just didn't click with me as much as the others)
The Bigger Picture (Not a terrible song, just the weakest of the bunch)
Every Song that isn't A New Beginning or Our New World (:D)

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8245 on: May 15, 2018, 11:11:43 PM »
Might as well, right.

WDADU: Status Seeker
I&W: Under A Glass Moon
Awake: Caught In A Web
FII: Burning My Soul
SFAM: Regression (I guess since its the opening song, I paired it with Overture and SDV as one track)
6DOIT: The Great Debate (It's still a good song though)
ToT: Honor Thy Father (Although, I do like the instrumental section)
8vm: The Answer Lies Within (It reminds a lot of My Immortal by Evanescence)
SC: Constant Motion (The instrumental section is amazing though)
BC&SL: A Rite of Passage (Main Riff is great, just not enough to beat the others)
ADTOE: Build Me Up, Break Me Down (It may actually be one of my least favorite songs of thiers)
DT: The Looking Glass
TA: A Life Left Behind (I love this album so this really doesn't mean much)
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« Reply #8246 on: May 16, 2018, 12:00:09 AM »
I guess I’ll post my least favorite song per album list.

WDaDU: Status Seeker
IaW: Surrounded
Awake: Innocence Faded
FII: New Millennium
SFaM: Through My Words
SDoIT: The Great Debate
TOT: This Dying Soul
8VM: I Walk Beside You
SC: Prophets of War
BC&SL: A Rite of Passage
ADToE: Build Me Up, Break Me Down
DT12: The Bigger Picture
TA: The Walking Shadow
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8247 on: May 16, 2018, 12:10:50 AM »
SFAM: Regression (I guess since its the opening song, I paired it with Overture and SDV as one track)
TA: A Life Left Behind (I love this album so this really doesn't mean much)

did you forget you were including intros or do you just really like the nomac tracks  :justjen
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8248 on: May 16, 2018, 12:53:46 AM »
SFAM: Regression (I guess since its the opening song, I paired it with Overture and SDV as one track)
TA: A Life Left Behind (I love this album so this really doesn't mean much)

did you forget you were including intros or do you just really like the nomac tracks  :justjen

Well then everyone forgot about the NOMAC tracks. Haha
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8249 on: May 16, 2018, 01:01:17 AM »
WDADU: The Ones
FII: Take Away My Pain
6 DEGREES: The Great Debate (but I like some parts)
TOT: All the wankery of songs / Honor Thy Father
SC: The Dark Horrible Night, Constant Motion
BLACK CLOUDS: Day after day night after night


Don't really have many other songs that make me hope to never hear them again live (or that I don't specifically love, like TAMP)
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8250 on: May 16, 2018, 05:04:36 AM »
WDaDU: Status Seeker, LFAGA or TOWHTSTS - I never listen to any of them really
IaW: Wait for Sleep - All tracks are great, this one just happens to be the shortest
Awake: The Silent Man
FII: You Not Me
SFaM: If Regression doesn't count, then Through my Words - again due to length
SDoIT: Misunderstood
TOT: Vacant - same story as I&W and SFAM here.
8VM: I Walk Beside You
SC: Repentance
BC&SL: The Best of Times
ADToE: Far From Heaven
DT12: The Looking Glass
TA: Excluding NOMAC tracks, Our New World

Wait for Sleep, The Silent Man, Through my Words and Vacant are all enjoyable tracks. The rest I don't really care for.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8251 on: May 16, 2018, 07:40:49 AM »
Least favorite list:

WDADU: Status Seeker
I&W: Another Day
Awake: Erotomania
FII: Hollow Years
SFAM: Home
6DOIT: The Glass Prison (I'll never understand why this is so loved by the fanbase...repetitive and way too long)
ToT: Honor Thy Father
8VM: Never Enough
SC: Repentance
BC&SL: A Rite Of Passage (the middle section goes on forever...)
ADToE: Far From Heaven
DT12: Illumination Theory
TA: Act Of Faythe

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8252 on: May 16, 2018, 06:28:36 PM »
Least Favorites:

WDADU: TOWHTSTS
I&W: Wait For Sleep
Awake: Space Dye Vest
FII: Just Let Me Breathe
SFAM: Regression
6DOIT: Misunderstood
ToT: As I Am
8VM: Never Enough
SC: Prophets of Fail
BC&SL: The Best of Times
ADToE: OTBOA
DT12: Enigma Machine
TA: Brother Can You Hear Me?

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8253 on: May 16, 2018, 07:24:31 PM »

Least Favorites:

WDADU: Status Seeker
I&W: Wait For Sleep
Awake: Innocence Faded
FII: Just Let Me Breathe, Lines in the Sand, New Millenium
SFAM: Spirit Carries On
6DOIT: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (if you consider that one song.  Great sub-songs and some not so great sub-songs)
ToT: Honor Thy Father
8VM: Octavarium (well, only the weak parts like Full Circle.  Otherwise I love the album)
SC: Ministry of Lost Souls (and I love that song...whole album is great)
BC&SL: Wither.
ADToE: Far From Heaven (and again, I love the song...just a great album overall)
DT12: Enemy Inside
TA: 90% of the album


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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8254 on: May 17, 2018, 07:27:29 AM »
Bandwagoning with the least favourites thing:

WDADU - The Killing Hand
I&W - Wait For Sleep
Awake - I love everything on it but Voices is the one I listen to least
FII - New Millennium
SFAM - Through Her Eyes
SDOIT - The 6 Degrees Suite
ToT - Honour thy Father
8VM - I Walk Beside You (Kinda a guilty pleasure but it's not a good DT song IMO)
SC - Prophets of War (Again, I have a soft spot for it, it was the first DT song I ever heard)
BCSL - Rite of Passage
ADToE - Far From Heaven
DT12 - Again, super difficult for me to pick, probably Behind the Veil
TA - The whole thing, I haven't listened to it in like a year

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8255 on: May 17, 2018, 04:25:57 PM »
Okay, let's do this. Least favorites on each album:

WDADU - Status Seeker
IAW - Surrounded
AWK - The Silent Man
FII - Just Let Me Breathe
SFAM - Regression (only because I had to pick one)
SDOIT - Losing Time/Grand Finale (if you count disc 2 as separate songs. if not, probably Misunderstood, but I really like it)
TOT - Honor Thy Father (I like it)
OVM - Never Enough
SC - Prophets of War
BC&SL - A Rite of Passage
ADTOE - Far From Heaven
DT - Along for the Ride (I like it)
TA - Act of Faythe
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8256 on: May 17, 2018, 06:24:16 PM »
It's difficult to pick my least favorite songs because I love almost every DT song. But if I had to choose, it would be:

WDADU - The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
IAW - Another Day
AWK - Scarred
FII - New Millenium (one of the few DT songs I don't love, but I enjoy it from time to time)
SFAM - Through Her Eyes (although I really like the fretless bass here, I wish he used it more)
SDOIT - None, I absolutely love every second of the album
TOT - None
OVM - The Answer Lies Within
SC - None
BC&SL - A Rite of Passage (I like it)
ADTOE - None
DT - Surrender to Reason
TA - Act Of Faythe

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8257 on: May 17, 2018, 06:40:12 PM »
Hmmm let's see. See if any of this can be controversial.

WDADU - The Killing Hand
IAW - Take the Time
Awake - uhhh I dunno. Love this album. I guess Lie?
FII - Just Let Me Breathe
Scenes - Spirit Carries On
SDOIT - Disappear
ToT - Endless Sacrifice
8VM - Panic Attack
SC - Any song other than Repentance. I dunno. ITPOE?
BC&SL - Count of Tuscany and Shattered Fortress. Both awful with a few cool sections.
ADTOE - This is the Life
DT - Eh, the whole album? I guess Surrender to Reason. It's all pretty bad though.
TA - I honestly can't tell most of these songs apart. It's a fine album but I can't pick out many individual songs off hand.

ALL OF THIS IS MY OPINION.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8258 on: May 18, 2018, 09:38:08 AM »
Why not... anything with a ??? means I love every song and don't have a 'least favorite'

1. WDADU - basically anything that isn't Afterlife. I don't like this album one bit except for that song
2. I&W - ???
3. Awake - Scarred and Voices; everything else is awesome
4. FII - Peruvian Skies
5. SFAM - Beyond This Life
6. SDOIT - ???
7. Train of Thought - Stream of Consciousness (way... too... freaking... long... and boring)
8. Octavarium - ???
9. Systematic Chaos - Repentance
10. BC&SL - A Rite of Passage
11. ADTOE - This Is The Life
12. Dream Theater - basically everything that isn't The Looking Glass
13. The Astonishing - Whispers on the Wind I guess? I dunno. Not really fair to pick a least favorite from this one
From a Mega Man Legends island jamming power metal to a Walrus listening to black metal, I like your story arc.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8259 on: May 18, 2018, 08:34:51 PM »
WDADU - The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
I&W - Metropolis Pt I. Yeah fight me. Not that I dislike it, but when an album is this perfect this one comes across as the one I love the less.
Awake - Scarred. Not that I dislike it too. I love it.
Falling into Infinity - Just let Me Breathe
Metropolis Part II: The Dance of Eternity
SDoIT - Goodnight Kiss. It isn't a bad song though
ToT - As I Am
Octa - Never Enough
SC - The Long Eternal Song
BCSL - A Rite of Passage. Might be my least favorite DT song ever.
ADTOE - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
DT 12 - Behind the Veil
Astonishing - Our New World