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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8190 on: April 16, 2018, 09:36:23 AM »
Was anyone complaining about the nomac tracks?

People have expressed discontent with them before but I think they're great and were even better live
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« Reply #8191 on: April 16, 2018, 09:40:47 AM »
If anything I think the NOMAC tracks were a lost opportunity. They're cool, but really could have been more. Instead of tiny little interludes, I wish they just went full electronic/industrial for an instrumental track or two. Ah well.
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« Reply #8192 on: April 16, 2018, 11:29:20 AM »
As a non TA fan i have to say i liked the Nomac tracks and some more of that action would be welcome.
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« Reply #8193 on: April 16, 2018, 05:49:24 PM »
If anything I think the NOMAC tracks were a lost opportunity. They're cool, but really could have been more. Instead of tiny little interludes, I wish they just went full electronic/industrial for an instrumental track or two. Ah well.

Definitely. They really missed the ball with them.

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« Reply #8194 on: April 16, 2018, 05:56:54 PM »
Count me in as someone who didn't like the NOMAC tracks. They're a cool idea, but they ultimately get lost in the sea of filler for me & they don't really serve much purpose, conceptually or musically.

Also, On The Run is great, fite me.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8195 on: April 16, 2018, 05:59:33 PM »
Count me in as someone who didn't like the NOMAC tracks. They're a cool idea, but they ultimately get lost in the sea of filler for me & they don't really serve much purpose, conceptually or musically.


Agreed.
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« Reply #8196 on: April 16, 2018, 10:48:47 PM »
No way.  They totally have a purpose in the concept.  And I like them musically as well.  Live, they're even better.  And now that I've seen it live, I think about their place in the show, the visuals, Mangini revealed behind the kit after one of the nomac blasts... Good stuff.  And as someone said on mp.com, you could feel the nomac tracks rattling your bones, or something like that.  Very much a part of the concept.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8197 on: April 17, 2018, 08:33:22 AM »
To me, The Astonishing is definitely an "album" experience.  Although there are some standout tracks that might be fun on their own, and although you could definitely make different "abridged versions" of the album, just listening to the entire thing as it unfolds from track to track is a very cool experience.  And, to me, that includes the NOMAC tracks.  On their own, they don't really do much and are hard to relate to because they are a-musical and essentially just noise.  But that fits within the flow of the album.  The problem is that I think most of us rarely have the time to listen through the whole thing and just let it wash over us.  The length and scope of the album just don't lend themselves to that, ironically.  I feel fortunate that I have an opportunity a couple of times a week when I am on my long bike rides to listen to it like that and get the whole experience.  And while I could have created a playlist to skip the NOMAC tracks, I find that keeping them in adds to the experience.  But if you don't have time to do that, or if you just don't really like the album, I can see the NOMAC tracks being pretty pointless.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8198 on: April 17, 2018, 08:46:04 AM »
If anything I think the NOMAC tracks were a lost opportunity. They're cool, but really could have been more. Instead of tiny little interludes, I wish they just went full electronic/industrial for an instrumental track or two. Ah well.

That was my hope when they announced the overall plot of the album and when I saw the track listing. I really hoped there would be one or two songs that would pit JP against JR musically. After all TA had the angle of electronic music vs "natural" music that were fighting against each other.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8199 on: April 17, 2018, 08:55:36 AM »
If anything I think the NOMAC tracks were a lost opportunity. They're cool, but really could have been more. Instead of tiny little interludes, I wish they just went full electronic/industrial for an instrumental track or two. Ah well.

That was my hope when they announced the overall plot of the album and when I saw the track listing. I really hoped there would be one or two songs that would pit JP against JR musically. After all TA had the angle of electronic music vs "natural" music that were fighting against each other.

Actually, I think that would've been a great idea.
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« Reply #8200 on: April 17, 2018, 12:38:35 PM »
Also, On The Run is great, fite me.

The loop doesn't even last a whole second. Which means you have to hear the same thing 216 times. I'd rather listen to Herman Li play the pacman sound 216 times

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« Reply #8201 on: April 17, 2018, 01:18:35 PM »
Also, On The Run is great, fite me.

The loop doesn't even last a whole second. Which means you have to hear the same thing 216 times. I'd rather listen to Herman Li play the pacman sound 216 times

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« Reply #8202 on: April 19, 2018, 03:55:25 PM »
If Dark Side Of The Moon can have 4 minutes of some bullshit 3 second keyboard loop and be regarded as great, ain't nobody should complain about no Nomac tracks

Yeah, but DSOTM is great and also doesn't have Nomac tracks.  What's the big mystery? :lol
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« Reply #8203 on: April 20, 2018, 02:24:57 PM »
Also, On The Run is great, fite me.

The loop doesn't even last a whole second. Which means you have to hear the same thing 216 times. I'd rather listen to Herman Li play the pacman sound 216 times

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So anything that maintains a rhythm, a loop, or an atmosphere for more than a certain time is garbage? Zeuhl, post-rock, doom metal/rock, stoner metal/rock, pop, industrial, experimental, well.. any genre actually. Take the one note solo of King Crimson's "Starless", for example. Is that garbage too?  ::)

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« Reply #8204 on: April 20, 2018, 04:50:59 PM »
If your question is whether zeuhl, post-rock, or stoner metal/rock are garbage...I'm confused that you apparently think "yes" is the wrong answer.
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« Reply #8205 on: April 20, 2018, 05:20:31 PM »
If your question is whether zeuhl, post-rock, or stoner metal/rock are garbage...I'm confused that you apparently think "yes" is the wrong answer.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8206 on: May 13, 2018, 01:49:59 PM »
Take away my pain is their worst song.

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« Reply #8207 on: May 14, 2018, 01:34:10 AM »
Take away my pain is their worst song.

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#2. 2 Far
#3. Hollow Years
#4. Anna Lee
#5. Outcry

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« Reply #8208 on: May 14, 2018, 10:47:52 AM »
WTF guys, TAMP is probably their best ballad.
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« Reply #8209 on: May 14, 2018, 11:06:55 AM »
Yeah, I don't get it either rumbo. I was going to say something but we've gone over it so many times over the years that it seems pointless.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #8210 on: May 14, 2018, 11:11:13 AM »
TAMP is good. The Once in a Livetime version or whatever is better. I really love that version so much.
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« Reply #8211 on: May 14, 2018, 11:14:41 AM »
TAMP is freaking awesome
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« Reply #8212 on: May 14, 2018, 11:42:58 AM »
I wish Speak to Me was on the album instead of Take Away My Pain
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« Reply #8213 on: May 14, 2018, 12:23:33 PM »
Disappear is probably their best ballad.
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TAMP is OK, but definitely towards the bottom of DT's catalog for me. While the message behind the song is heartfelt, which I can appreciate, overall it doesn't do much for me. I prefer the original demo version over the FII version and not because of MP - I had a copy of the first Fix for 96 show long before FII was released, so that's the one I became accustomed to.
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« Reply #8214 on: May 14, 2018, 12:37:18 PM »
Does Trial of Tears count as a ballad? I've seen some people do that. If so that would easily be the #1 DT ballad to me. If not, Space-Dye Vest, Lifting Shadows, Disappear, Vacant, Beneath the Surface... screw it, I think every DT ballad rules.
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« Reply #8215 on: May 14, 2018, 12:40:36 PM »
:lol On what planet is Trial of Tears a ballad?
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« Reply #8216 on: May 14, 2018, 12:47:57 PM »
:lol On what planet is Trial of Tears a ballad?

Hey, I'm not saying it is, but I've heard the argument. :lol Usually it's because of the 'softness' of the song, from conversations I've had with others; the spacey section, the sorrowful chorus, all that. I can kind of see it, although it's not really one I pick when thinking of proper ballads.
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« Reply #8217 on: May 14, 2018, 02:26:03 PM »
Burning My Soul is their worst
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« Reply #8218 on: May 14, 2018, 02:33:38 PM »
With the exception of Learning To Live by John Myung, James LaBrie is the best lyricist among others. It's a crime he hadn't written more lyrics so far.
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« Reply #8219 on: May 14, 2018, 05:42:46 PM »
Yeah, so we can hear "conscience fading" in like a dozen more songs.
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« Reply #8220 on: May 14, 2018, 06:16:08 PM »
Yeah, so we can hear "conscience fading" in like a dozen more songs.

That line appears in two sets of Labrie’s lyrics for Dream Theater: Vacant and Medicate (Awakening). Both happen to be about someone being in a coma so the line is fitting. With that said, I don’t listen to his solo projects, so I don’t know if that line appears in any other songs.
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« Reply #8221 on: May 14, 2018, 11:18:11 PM »
Burning My Soul is their worst

Oh. My. God.

I love BMS. Except the awful live version from wacken a few years ago.

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« Reply #8222 on: May 15, 2018, 01:01:39 AM »
Burning My Soul is their worst

Oh. My. God.

I love BMS. Except the awful live version from wacken a few years ago.

TAMP... Innocence faded... Through her eyes. Lifting shadows. All suck.

Innocence Faded is a top 10 DT track for me, Lifting Shadows a top 25 :lol
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« Reply #8223 on: May 15, 2018, 01:02:51 AM »
Yeah, so we can hear "conscience fading" in like a dozen more songs.

Can't be much worse than reaching the water's edge every single album.

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« Reply #8224 on: May 15, 2018, 01:28:20 AM »
:lol
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