Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[hefdaddy42]

I've never heard These Walls described as "numetal" in any way until that post up there.

[Rodni Demental]

It's the guitaring and structure of the song more than anything. And it's perhaps just a stylistic influence creeping through rather than a suitable definition for the song. I'm surprised you havnt at least heard someone mention These Walls might have been 'nu-metal influenced' since 2005 considering that albums seems to be all about the references and subtle tributes to various influences. For the record, These Walls tends to remind me of From The Inside by LP if it's a song anyone is familiar with.

[King Postwhore]

I've never heard These Walls described as "numetal" in any way until that post up there.

Yeah this.  That description is a big swing and miss.

[Skeever]

I don't know if this is "controversial" or whatever but "These Walls" is the best non-epic song DT have done since Rudess joined the band.

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't know if this is "controversial" or whatever but "These Walls" is the best non-epic song DT have done since Rudess joined the band.

While I would disagree, it's definitely an underrated gem.

[BlobVanDam]

I don't know if this is "controversial" or whatever but "These Walls" is the best non-epic song DT have done since Rudess joined the band.

I'd rank it top 20, and I think it's one of their best short structured songs ever.

[TheGreatPretender]

During the final pre-chorus, where James goes, "Watch me fading, I'm losing.." the strings that are played in the background make it so awesome. 

[Lucien]

It's my number 1

[JayOctavarium]

These Walls is most def top 5 - 10 for me...

[rumborak]

When discussing more straightforward songs to play with my DT tribute band back in the day, TW was the immediate shoe-in.

[XB0BX]

Systematic Chaos is a really good album.

[Zook]

Systematic Chaos is a really good album.

Ever had a conversation
That you realise you've had before
Isn't it strange

Have you ever talked to someone
And you feel you know what's coming next
It feels pre-arranged

'Cause you know that you've heard it before
And you feel that this moment in time is surreal
'Cause you know when you feel deja-vu



Winter Rose is more enjoyable that SC and BCSL.

[Grizz]

Funny you should mention Black Clouds. I just listened to that album all of the way through, and it's still one of my favorites.
 
In fact, I think The Best of Times is better than Take Away My Pain or Another Day.

[Zook]

In fact, I think The Best of Times is better than Take Away My Pain or Another Day.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

[wolfking]

Systematic Chaos is a really good album.

Ever had a conversation
That you realise you've had before
Isn't it strange

Have you ever talked to someone
And you feel you know what's coming next
It feels pre-arranged

'Cause you know that you've heard it before
And you feel that this moment in time is surreal
'Cause you know when you feel deja-vu

I always liked this one.  Very underrated.  They should have played this instead of HCW.

In fact, I think The Best of Times is better than Take Away My Pain or Another Day.

TAMP maybe, but AD, no freakin' way.

[GasparXR]

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

[Tom Bombadil]

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

I'll agree with that. And I don't even think TAMP is top 50 material.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

And if you take a look at the above two posts, you'll see two clearly insane individuals.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

How about this: Another Day is by far the worst song on I&W.

Not really sure if that's controversial.

[Bolsters]

It does seem to sit at or very near the bottom for the majority.

[wolfking]

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

I'll agree with that. And I don't even think TAMP is top 50 material.

Seriously?

[Tom Bombadil]

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

I'll agree with that. And I don't even think TAMP is top 50 material.

Seriously?

Yep. Metropolis has some pretty good sections, but the instrumental part is one of my least favorite things DT has ever produced. I'm sure I'll get similar responses to that statement.

[BlobVanDam]

How about this: Another Day is by far the worst song on I&W.

Not really sure if that's controversial.

That's not controversial. But it is wrong.

I think LTL is easily the weakest song on IAW. It's the only weak link in an otherwise perfect album. The vocal melodies early on really let down the song down, due to cramming in all of those lyrics, and it has a really weak chorus. If it weren't for that, the song would be great, but still far from the best on the album.

That's how you do controversial, son.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

That's definitely controversial. I think it's wonderful, the odd vocal melodies and phrasings are one of my favorite things.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I'm honestly surprised Another Day comes so low into people's I&W track-rankings. It's probably around middle of the line for me, but it's still fantastic.

Weakest song on I&W is by far and away Surrounded (which is still a great song), but that's not too controversial now is it?

[Tom Bombadil]

Surrounded is probably my favorite song on I&W. Looks like I have everything backwards.

[BlobVanDam]

I'm honestly surprised Another Day comes so low into people's I&W track-rankings. It's probably around middle of the line for me, but it's still fantastic.

Weakest song on I&W is by far and away Surrounded (which is still a great song), but that's not too controversial now is it?

The past few years Surrounded seems to be ranked a lot higher among many DTF'ers, so that's probably controversial. Another Day seems to be the most disliked, probably because it's an awesomely '80s power ballad inspired song. To me that just makes it awesomer!

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I'm honestly surprised Another Day comes so low into people's I&W track-rankings. It's probably around middle of the line for me, but it's still fantastic.

Weakest song on I&W is by far and away Surrounded (which is still a great song), but that's not too controversial now is it?

The past few years Surrounded seems to be ranked a lot higher among many DTF'ers, so that's probably controversial. Another Day seems to be the most disliked, probably because it's an awesomely '80s power ballad inspired song. To me that just makes it awesomer!

Damn, I had no idea. It certainly doesn't get the attention or buzz that songs like LTL or Metropolis do, that's for sure.

[bl5150]

The weakest song on I&W is..............














































......still better than just about anything else ever released 

[adastra]

How about this :  Since the day Octavarium was released, I've thought that I Walk Beside You is DT's best song!

[GasparXR]

And if you take a look at the above two posts, you'll see two clearly insane individuals.

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

How about this one -- I think Take Away My Pain is better than Metropolis Pt. 1.

I'll agree with that. And I don't even think TAMP is top 50 material.

Seriously?

Yes. I on the other hand would put both songs in my top 50. I don't consider TAMP a HUGE step over Metropolis either. It just so happens that I enjoy it a bit more. I would probably even put Metropolis as my least favourite Images and Words song, with Another Day and Learning to Live as my favourites.

[Grizz]

How about this :  Since the day Octavarium was released, I've thought that I Walk Beside You is DT's best song!

Alright, I've had enough of this nonsense!

[thedrumanimal]

In fact, I think The Best of Times is better than Take Away My Pain or Another Day.

  The best of times is an amazing song with the best JP guitar solo on a DT record. The other two songs are among my least favourite DT songs.

[thedrumanimal]

There was a time when I wished that JLB whould play the rhythm guitar while JP is soloing. 

In fact, I do not even know if James plays guitar. The only occasion I remember James playing an instrument was the intro of 8V, near the end were JR plays the slide guitar. But I dont think that this was real "playing" since he just pushed the pre-recorded sample-buttons of the Oaysis (was it the Oaysis at that time?).

However, still today I think that some solos miss a bit of punch live, since the rhythm git is missing. Sometimes to snarling pig from JR helps, but it is not the same for me. The Glass prison live always was a good example for me - the instumental section were JP and JR are trading solos. While the JR solo with the rhythm git played really slaps you in the face, the part in which JP is soloing comes along a bit thin.

[Scorpion]

Alright, here's some controversy: I really really like the extended version of surrounded, found on CiM. Yeah, the vocals aren't top-notch, and I don't like the main solo-part that much (that unison in particular), but I love how everything builds up, and that extended guitar solo is a thing of beauty. The way it just builds and builds from the simple Sugar Mice motif until it climaxes in the Mother solo is great, and it makes the transition into the last part ("I know it's easier") a lot smoother, in my opinion - I always found that one the slightest bit clunky... not bad, but not quite as good as some other transitions that I know DT are capable of.